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‘Calvary’ is the hill upon which Jesus Christ was crucified.
Yep, 1.3 meter steel equivalent. (I think it’s usually rolled homogenous steel, but I don’t know if that implies anything specific.) That was listed as the turret front thickness against HEAT rounds, so I would guess it achieves that by means of air gaps in the honeycomb structure giving the round’s penetrating jet of molten metal a place to break apart and harmlessly expend its energy.
You probably could get some impressive results putting advanced rounds into dated cannons; HEAT rounds’ penetration is velocity-independent, so they ought to be particularly good for that, and with a small enough sub-caliber round, you could probably make a kinetic round work too. What you wouldn’t ever be able to get around, though, is an older tank’s sloppier tolerances and inferior fire-control system.
It’d be fun to see how that modern armor tech holds up against “superior” tank rounds with far inferior tech…
Holy crap, though, you made me lol with how amazing that Chobham armor is. Holy freak - 1.3m effective? That’s equivalent steel, right?
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Oh, yeah, Chobam armor is nuts; the Abrams apparently has between 600mm and 1,300mm of effective armor depending on where it’s hit and what type of round hits it.
The Bradley’s most basic armor is aluminum- nice and light, but pretty much garbage against AP rounds. As time has gone on, spaced laminate and steel armor has been added, along with explosive-reactive appliqué packs, so it’s gotten tougher, but it’s still not meant to take a hit from an actual tank.
Part of me is thinking of the advanced materials in modern armors. I know Abrams use some crazy ceramic composite called “Chobham” along with depleted uranium, but I don’t know about Bradleys.
Given how many of them they made, it’d probably wind up being easier to buy the T-34 and build the M2.
Looks like the best penetrating gun/ammo combinations for the T-34-85 (the turrets look more like -85s than -76s) come in at about 140mm or possibly 175mm at 100 meters and 75mm at 2500 meters. Making some assumptions about which 30mm AP the Bradley can bounce (and ignoring appliqué explosive armor that can temporarily make it tougher), its best armor equates to about 65mm of steel; easy enough for the T-34-85 to penetrate at any realistic ranges. Alternatively, I also saw a claim that the Bradley should have around 140mm best case armor; if that’s the case, then the Soviet would have to either get close, or just attack from the sides or rear.
From the other end, the Bradley chain gun can apparently penetrate 65mm at 1000 meters, so the T-34 is Swiss cheese pretty much anywhere, though it might get some lucky bounces.
You aren’t wrong about there being a huge technological/materials leap, though (the Bradley is firing depleted uranium rounds, for example). It’s just that the M2 was never intended to resist tank fire.
I wonder how much of a difference there is, though, in-between a 1940 76mm gun and a 1980 76mm gun. Probably not a whole lot? But I dunno, I can’t help but think the metallurgy and materials science will make a difference. But, maybe not enough of a difference…
Let’s build a T34 and buy an M2 and find out! :p
Sure, an M2 could definitely kill a T-34 (especially if they brought missiles), but the problem is that a T-34 can also kill an M2; as far as I can tell, the Bradley is only armored enough to bounce 30mm AP rounds in a best case scenario. Show up in an Abrams, on the other hand, and you could probably just take a nap while you wait for the T-34s to run out of shells.
Modern armor and tanks are freakishly more advanced than old ones. I’d wager a bet that M2 Bradleys could stand a pretty good fight against T34’s. Technology has come a very long way.
We’re both at fault here, so let’s call it a truce.
I believe that this would be for the best. I am sorry.
Want to call this a situation of miscommunication?
Okay I get what you’re saying, we’re both saying the same thing really.
I’m taking Robin off the table since, while I heard he’s a good actor, my only/main exposure to him are the two movies I mention earlier, so I don’t know enough to give an accurate opinion about him.
As for the humor, my problem is when it’s used as denial, said to the wrong audience, or at the wrong time. I know that humor helps. I’m all too familiar with making dark jokes, and can joke about anything. My problem is going too far, not avoiding it. Good support and people who know what they’re doing are also good, but I also understand humor’s part in it. I mean, just look at my life; It’s one big joke.
Nobody is making light of rape/abuse/depression. People are joking about it in order to deal with it. I know you have your opinions on what you think humor/trauma and how to deal with it should be, But a lot of people recognize and accept and deal with these things via humor.
Obviously you don’t tell a rape joke to a rape victim during the rape. You don’t joke about it when it just happened either. That’s the thing with humor; There is a time and a place for everything. And sometimes laughter ends up being the best method of coping with emotions that you can’t deal with. A doctor who had to do surgery on a little kid and seeing all of his organs and guts out, save or lose, he’s going to be traumatized by it. He has options; Therapy is REALLY expensive, and if you don’t consistently do it several days a week, it might not work. Drugs and alcohol are a way of making people forget trauma, but at the cost to health. Humor, and even dark humor, is used so much and so effectively by so many people, that the people who help rape victims after the trauma use it to joke alongside the victims as a method of coping.
And talking shit about someone you don’t even know, who brought joy to so many people, even though he had depression and killed himself, even though all he wanted to do was bury his depression and make people happy, that’s something that I think is worse than what you’re trying to talk about.
Coping with something isn’t the same as burying or denying it, denying it happened or denying whatever it is you’re trying to talk about. It’s coping with it. It’s living with it without it killing you. Mentally, physically, and emotionally killing you. It’s bringing it to light, accepting that it happened, Not letting it control your life, and moving on.
(Since I don’t know when to stop, he’s my reply)
I just looked him up, and he was familiar, but not in a good way. To put it simply, I’m not a fan of of his “Jack” or “Patch Adams” movies. I haven’t seen too many of his works, but those two will always come to mind when I think of him.
Also, when I was talking about humor, I was talking about when they try to hide it, not to cheer others up. While optimism helps, proper treatment is also important, and acceptation is a major step. You can make fun of something horrible, and even share a horrible joke to the/a victim as long as they can laugh at it, but trying to act like rape, losing limps, dead family are nothing but a light breeze is not the same. Actions have consequences and impact, and denying is what I hate.
You… don’t know who Robin Williams is?
And you think that rape jokes don’t help trauma victims. As in, were I to be a rape victimI was., and I were to make jokes about itI do., like people usually do for traumatic/horrible things as coping mechanisms so they don’t go insane;
… Dude, just
Go research things before you even talk.
I’m not going to namecall or anything like that, but please go research what you’re saying. Please.
I don’t know who his is/was, so I’m just saying that someone who tries to hide serious stuff behind humour isn’t good. It’s like trying to downplay rape by making sex/rape jokes.
He may be part of the problem.
Tell that to Robin Williams.
It’s still about Twi going through what could be mild depression. Humour can’t hide stuff like that.
It was done in a funny way though.
You are aware you’re calling a series about a mare that can’t find love and feels alone non-serious, right?