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Subjects of Equestria! We are pleased to kick off the Nightmare Night Festivities and the 14th anniversary of the return of our beloved Princess Luna! Join us in celebration!
@Background Pony #5C13
@trueblue02
@Background Pony #7233
Called it. CALLED IT. CALLED IT. I totally called it. Like, 3 times at least, but this is the most recent time:
@Cirrus Light
Perhaps, but none of this seems to have been touched on in the comic thus far. And since I’m betting the mane 6 don’t have much of an understanding of time travel and Dr Whooves hasn’t yet been shown describing it to them, odds are they don’t even know how this all might affect causality. So I don’t think they’d have a reason to believe that what they’ve been told about history guarantees their survival through this particular story.
Paradox time!
Normally, time can be rewritten, but screwing with the causality of time travelers is dangerous.
-Lumino
They’re definitely not as harsh as the ponies around them, but they should’ve figured out the stakes of this conflict by now. I mean Twi admitted to ordering mass executions for what she claimed was the greater good, before murdering one of her own guards in front of half the mane 6. Spike and company seemed adamant in their desire to kill Twilight in order to end her reign. And all this has led to seemingly all-out warfare between the two sides. There’s so much violence happening around them, I’d be amazed if they hadn’t considered their own mortality.
@Meanlucario
I’m not questioning the resistance’s reasoning, just that the mane 6 don’t seem to have taken it to what seems like the most obvious conclusion.
The Mane 6 come from a time that’s much more innocent and peaceful. It probably never crossed their minds that them dying could be a solution, or that other ponies would be willing to go through with it if it had actually occurred to them.
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The mane six sees that they need to defeat Twilight, the resistance sees them as the keys to ending her, and sees that their deaths will end Twilight’s tyranny. It’s flawed, but when you’re desperate, you will do anything.
The amount of time I have to remind people filters exist.
That’s because it was a vague prophecy. The majority of those in story telling always turn out to be fake and the ones that are real are vague so the writer can have room to fix anything that might not fit and add new ideas to the story. But the most important thing about prophecies are that they are basically the magic version of a probability engine. Both predict the future and both aren’t 100% infallible. That’s why you can change the outcome of a prediction if you don’t like it. However, both don’t take into consideration time travel since time travel automatically changes future events by adding new elements into the present that otherwise couldn’t have existed.
The only way for time travel to be included in any prophecy would be if (using Doctor Who logic) it was a fixed point in time whose outcome ultimately can’t be changed no matter what technical changes you make to the timeline. However, fixed points in time happen naturally and there is nothing natural about time travel. But, for the sake of argument, let’s say it’s like that.
That would mean that before the prophecy was even made, Twilight’s friends would already have known about the prophecy and the inevitable outcome of what’s happening right now in the story. Meaning that the girls don’t get killed in the future and return to the past. Also, because this is a fixed point in time, this outcome can’t be changed. All five will return to the past. Not to mention that their future selves wouldn’t have spent all that time worrying about how to keep Twilight from dying because they would’ve already have known that she wasn’t actually going to die and would have told Twilight about their trip into the future at this point so she wouldn’t worry about the prophecy. However, in the story they did spend all that time worrying about how to keep Twilight from dying which means that they had no knowledge of the events that are happening right now. Proving that time travel wasn’t included in the prophecy’s production.
If the five of them dying didn’t kill Twilight the first time then bringing them back to die a second time would only get the same results. Repeating the same process while expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity. The only way to have an immortal not outlive its mortal friends is if it was killed before the mortal friends died or if its mortal friends were somehow made immortal too. Killing mortals can’t kill something that’s immortal. Especially if its life isn’t literally bonded to all the dying mortals involved.
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I hope that’s how the author play this. The mane 6 should’ve figured this once they heard that prophesy.
I think they didn’t want to think that.
As off the rails as this may seem, they said the sage was always right. So how bout we process this thought…
The sage said Twi would not out live her friends…
She never said when,where,why, or how it would come to pass.
Edited
The story’s timeline already has the other five dead already and Twilight didn’t die from them dieing off. Bringing their past selves further into the future just to have them die for a second time won’t change the fact that them dieing didn’t kill her the first time. So why would having them die a second time be any different? And don’t say the prophecy. Nowhere in the prophecy does it say that killing them will kill Twilight.
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-Lumino