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OH MY GOD SHE LOOKS SO ADORABLE IN THIS STYLE!!!!!!!
Cannot wait for this movie
Cannot wait for this movie
But I have to say out of everything that I’ve seen so far…
This new Lyra design really is adorable.
The eyes are a bit much, but everything else is golden for me.
Fair enough.
I’m not going through this again. I don’t understand what is so hard to understand here. To me, the redesigned Lyra (and lots of the characters in general) look like someone decided to put their own personal spin on the design and thus, to me, it appears like the resulting design is an off-model version of the originals.
Right, didn’t explain myself here.
What I meant is that you shouldn’t be making the comparison in the context of it being “off-model” when they were never trying to be “on-model” to begin with. You’re comparing apples to oranges. You can say oranges taste like shit, but saying it should be an apple is a non-starter.
In what fictional universe are people not going to make comparisons between two different styles of the same characters? Especially when one design has been around for seven years.
That’s like asking people not to have, you know, subjective opinions either.
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What he’s saying is that you shouldn’t be making a comparison to begin with.
Minty pone can’t do without her sweet little bon drop
So you’re still going to keep hammering the “It’s not off-model!!” response despite me clearly defining what I meant. You’re being pedantic and nothing more.
So they needed even larger eyes ontop of the already huge anime-esque eyes they already had because they couldn’t convey emotions properly? And they needed to alter the shape of their muzzles because, I don’t know, they had issues conveying emotions before? The 3D models were only one of my two complaints in this thread.
I’m not moving or changing anything. I made a comment referencing how I didn’t like the new look. You were the one who started putting words in my mouth.
Right from my very first comment it was clearly obvious I didn’t like the new look. If you checked my commenting history on images related to the movie, you’ll see it’s not the first discussion I’ve had about it. But somehow I was “lying” about my opinion? As if it were a hidden agenda buried in these comments? Excuse the hell out of me?
I said she looks off-model compared to the show. Compared to the show. COMPARED to the show. In other words, she looks like someone F’d up what Lyra is supposed to look like originally, as if she were off-model. It is you who are simply being pedantic and refusing to acknowledge anything else. Comparisons and metaphors don’t exist in your world. You have to be as literal as Drax from GotG. “It can’t be off-model because it’s redesigned! And it can’t be off-model if it’s a different product! Blah blah blah…”
And with that, I’m done. This has gone nowhere, and you’ll do nothing but repeat the same stuff as you have now for the past four replies.
it’s not worth it.
change is ok
change is bad.
argument about definitions.
i didnt read 90% of it.
Off model is when a character is drawn differently from it’s model sheet, it is not when a character looks weird. Off model does not apply in comparison to other media that uses an altered design.
That’s exactly what they did, they took the character designs from the show and altered them to work better from multiple angles and with more complex motion, and they used 3d to allow for a level of dynamic camera movement that would be impossible in 2d.
I have addressed every one of your arguments, you are just moving the goalposts and changing the definitions of words to suit your arguments.
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I’m going to say this one more time. I know she’s redesigned. The redesign looks markedly different from her show counterpart. So much so that in comparison it looks off-model. In comparison. Stop trying to ignore what that word means. I won’t entertain a trolly response again about it.
Why do I need to lie? Did I ever claim that wasn’t a factor? I like the look of the show. It was completely possible to take the show and visually improve it without rebuilding it from scratch as the movie has done. You don’t need to bring the show into full 3D CGI elements which starkly clash with the previous style as an excuse for improvements. Improvements could’ve still been done in 2D. I don’t like how it looks totally different now. I never claimed otherwise.
Ducks are going to duck, man. You’ve done nothing but ignore what I’ve said over and over and repeat the same thing. One of your badges says it’s for drama. Quod erat demonstrandum.
Really? Flash was not a great animation tool to begin with, and it’s aged really badly. The show’s animation has got better over time, but that’s because the animators have got better at squeezing every last drop of potential from a very blunt instrument. There’s a reason why it’s relegated to pretty low budget shows with limited animation, has never been used in movies, and Disney are pretty much allergic to it. Toon Bloom on the other hand is used by some of the best animated stuff on the planet, and has won multiple awards.
That is exactly what they’re doing. They’re just using a different software and making the designs look better from more angles and with more complex motion.
I think you meant to reply to @Vinyl Fluff
@Vinyl Fluff
That sounds exactly like you’re complaining that it looks different from the show. That’s not what off model is.
That’s not off-model, that’s redesigned, and of course she would look different in a different art style.
You are complaining that the movie looks different from the show, stop lying.
Nice ad hominem.
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If you’re speaking to me, I never mentioned a specific scene. What I had in mind though was the one where Pinkie swings and falls into the pool. And that was back in… season 4 IIRC?
Flash can do “round”, but what you’re not taking into consideration is that the limits you’re talking about are also due to budget and time. Each episode is only allocated a certain amount of both. Given a much larger budget and more time, you could see them pull off even more in Flash than what you see in the show.
Lyra likely looks different (along with many of the others) because she’s a model from way back in Season 1. The show’s art has come a long way since then, and I don’t blame the animators for finally wanting to change the basic female model up a little.
For one thing, the roundness is likely very intentional. Flash can’t really do round, so the overall angular and flatness of the show is really due to technical limitations.
And that pan around Fluttershy (that I see you also mentioned). That involved using Flash in a way it was never really built for, took a LOT of effort, and still didn’t look great in retrospect.
You’re doing nothing but ignoring what I’m saying and repeating the same thing, also ignoring the comparison I’m making.
Double ducks for a reason, I guess.
Have you noticed how rarely the show ever moves the camera, and how panning shots of characters are so incredibly rare that a simple rotation about Fluttershy’s face is one of the most memorable shots in ‘Putting your hoof down’? It’s because those things are very, very hard to do in traditional animation.
And you’ve got to be mad if you’re dissing the backgrounds. MLP has always had a problem making a place look like an actual physical environment, rather than a painted matte background. This is so much more dynamic, it actually blends in a little better with the actual ponies inhabiting it.