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I figured we needed some way to explain Twi not being a complete monster. Thoughts?
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So you can’t see a soul, or even know whether or not it exists, yet you CAN say for certain that the clones don’t have it? Yeah, that makes sense. Your only justification for killing them is that they were “shoddily made”, which is in direct contradiction to the evidence already presented below.
Don’t. Yes, I know what you’re trying to do, and you know I know. So don’t.
@Niggoslav_Krawczyk
There are ways of voicing disagreement that do not devolve into petty insults; I would be grateful if you tried those out for a while.
@Niggo lol ass
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I thought of the Pinkies as VIs from Mass Effect. Or Weak-AIs from Halo. Very sophisticated constructs copied from Pinkie. Makes sense in the ep too, as all the clone Pinkies seem pretty single-minded
I have the dumb today.
I’ve never seen a soul. I’ve never seen your brain either. Or Aristotle. Care to prove they existed? You cannot really prove anything exists. Basically, all I’m saying is that the clones were P-Zombies, and shoddily made ones at that.
The dupes passed every definition of “life” I’ve ever known. You can argue they were less intelligent/mature than the real Pinkie Pie, but they were still above, say, Gummy. And given their young age, there’s nothing to say they wouldn’t have eventually outgrown their fun-craving and learned to behave like the normal Pinkie Pie.
Even if it weren’t for the fact that many of the Pinkie Pie’s failed the test because of reflex actions rather than conscious choices, (See: “Startle Reflex”) that test was something that most real children would fail.
The simple fact of the matter is that you cannot even be certain if you yourself are nothing more than a simulation. Even Descartes’ “Cogito Ergo Sum,” is technically a logical fallacy.
Pinkie Pie’s clones passed every test of sentience, sapience, consciousness and self-awareness.
• They could feel. Pinkie Pie’s first clone was presented with a dilemma and broke down in tears by the end.
• They could perceive. This one is a no brainer.
• They were able to have subjective experiences. First Pinkie Pie was able to relate her experiences from memory in her own words.
• They were able to reason. First Clone was given an objective: go to Applejack’s barn raising so they could be at all the fun things at once. She observed a conflicting option and was able to infer that she would fail, altered her own plan, and was able to explain her reasoning in words to Real Pinkie Pie later.
• They had individuality. If they were all the same, they would have all failed the test simultaneously.
• They had self-awareness. They recognized that they were separate and distinct from other people, including each other, showing off their own abilities to gain recognition; and were able to comprehend the consequences ceasing to exist, when they stopped going fun crazy to participate in the test.
• They had creativity. They were shown to be able to do things that they had never seen before, like making crazy faces.
• They had the ability to comprehend abstract concepts, such as speech.
• They were able to make Value Judgements, and thus displayed Sapience. First Pinkie Clone worries about what she should do, and has to explain to Real Pinkie Pie why it is a real problem, which proves that it was not autonomous behavior.
yep those two factors really play a role in your method of thinking about it, it was never stated whether or not so both views are equally valid
My comparison still fits. The Shade didn’t want to go: for something like that to seem real, it must have some sort of self-preservation instinct.
I…okay lets go with Kirby’s comparison to nobodies from kingdom hearts, they could become individuals given time they have to because of experiences but when first formed they’re instinctive creatures (like a baby because they were literally just born) they reacted because it’s what their instincts said they should do they resisted reacting outright because they knew it would be bad if they did
but Twilight was right to do what she did even if they were exact clones of Pinkie ‘soul’ and all they had to go back
could be wrong don’t really care but you have to at least see where I’m coming from
HAPPY PINKIE FRIENDS SHORTS
In a parallel universe, Twilight decided if they got them out of Ponyville, much like the parasprites they would be out of sight, out of mind. We then see the numerous pinkies being offed in loads of ridiculous ways, such as running into a pole which starts a rube goldberg chain of events ending with a piano slamming into the Pinkie. Or one of them sees the clanging lights of a railroad crossing, and immediately halts and watches. SKOOSH
Turns out one other element they don’t share with their original is resilience!
my point is probably that the shade existed in a dream since it was inception so they aren’t really comparable at all :/
For example compare killing something in a dream to killing something in real life
even if it’s the exact same thing in real life you actually really killed something
Their rational thinking is extremely limited. If they were left on their own they would just run away, following that birdie until they get lost.
And the Shade was able to simulate discomfort and guilt, even love and concern, despite being terrifyingly amoral. What’s your point?