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Got another great anti-Nazi commission from @AmberLight101! Part of a series with the mane six done in a punk style.
Punk AJ is pretty cute! https://t.co/tECRDrUw8q
Punk AJ is pretty cute! https://t.co/tECRDrUw8q
I thought my comment will be the last one here, when I realized that this thread is dead. Now I’m “fixing” it, by being the last one to comment here, again!
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You aren’t even listening to what they’re actual saying now, are you?
You know, as someone who frequently gets replies on comments posted either several weeks or months ago, I consider it extraordinarily efficacious to first look at the date of the most recent post and then decide whether I still care or not to “weigh in”.
Usually, the answer is “not”.
I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with the point you were trying to make. It’s just that… well, necroing this whole thing just refreshes it in a lot of people’s minds. And some of those minds have trouble dropping things long dead.
Well, no, because this was dead two months ago. How long were you banned, anyway?
You aren’t even listening to what they’re actual saying now, are you?
I’d like to know, if you don’t mind me asking, who exactly we’re talking about? Who are the fascists here on Derpibooru, and what they’re doing? Currently, I suppose they’re everyone who violates the site rules. I hardly can imagine what else the fascists can do…
It’s a bit confusing…
As expected of a big dumb background pony hick.
your current filter.Why are you in derpibooru?
Didn’t you know there are “nazi arts” here?
Run away to furbooru before you will get anti-nazi seizure!
while being allowed to hate and attack people they hate
That sure is a great argument you’ve got there, when one side’s position is “non-whites are inferior and genocide is cool” and the other’s is “racism is bad and nobody should be allowed to advocate genocide”. I think there’s probably a term for that sort of thing.
@Lurks-no-More
The only thing happening here is that you don’t get to post your art of Nazi ponies on Derpibooru
They certainly do seem to spend a lot of time screaming for people who keep saying “just use your filters” without adding anti-nazism or mouthpiece to their own, and doing it here on Derpibooru instead of just going to Ponybooru which was expressly made for the sole purpose of being Derpibooru But You Can Be As Racist As You Want Without Consequence.
All you arguments are based on “beliefs” and “emotions”.
Like you believe that few thousand “nazi art” will turn this site into a shithole.
Just because “I won in my head” doesnt mean you “defeated” any argument.
Like saying that being pro-freedom of speech is akin to being “nazi-enabler”?
…did you just attacked me for something that I have no control over, like racists attack other people for having different skin color than them?
Oh my.
NOW you just sound like a sore loser.
All you had to do is replace ALL of your message with “I am tired of this debate, I wont respond to you anymore. Have a nice evening.”
See? SO much better, without personal attacks and projection.
Look, everything you’re doing here is bullshit, and why it’s bullshit has been explained thoroughly to you.
At this point you’re just being deliberately obtuse for the sake of continuing to argue things that have either already been defeated, or were never what other people were actually saying in the first place (big wonder why you have a duck tag).
And you know all of this perfectly well, I think.
There’s no reason to keep engaging with someone who isn’t interested in being honest, especially when they’ve already been beaten, so I’m not going to keep responding to your posts.
Goodbye.
DUDE, it is YOUR side that tries to change definitions and meanings to suit your agenda.
After all “it is not censorship” when private entity is doing it, “it is not censorship” when you cannot post it (you can still draw!), “it is not censorship” when you guys target “hate”…
Seriously I hope neutrals will see past this bullshit and will not fall for it.
And vice versa.
@Background Pony #9D4B
Except YES IT IS!
Just because you are offended, doesn’t mean you are right.
This is rich comming from person who conflated “defending freedom of expresion” with “being nazi enabler”. XD
OMG, pro-censorship person wants “good faith discussion” XD
Holy shit I am laughing XD
Yeah, and then you wrote earlier:
“You mean Nazis found out that their expressions of Nazism come with consequences, the same way free expression comes with consequences for everyone else?”
Hypocrite.
You do not get to choose what is “good” and what is “bad” in public forum. You would have to be a tyrant to force people to “think only good thoughts”.
Which is THE SAME THING in minds of anti-nazi cultists XD
YES IT IS!
Seriously, the whole “it is not a censorship if person I hate is censored” needs to die.
What “all” people?
Again, look how many people were against censorship in forums.
Besides there are filter for “not wanna see things”.
People who hate Aryanne can go to places where she is banned by proxy.
Like Furbooru.
…really?
So you wanna ban art on this site because of POTENTIAL hijacking by “undesirables”?
In a fandom that is slowly dying due to the fact that show ended?
REALLY?!
How can I be absolutist when I believe that filters work as intended and I support using them?
WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE FILTERS!
For example I UTTERLY hate “stripped” art.
Do I feel unwelcome? NO, Because I have “zebradom” in my filters.
Do I feel offended that people who like “stripped” art are allowed to talk? NO, because I am not totalitarian asshole who wants to ban people who draw this shit or even like it. I am against “toughtcrime” harrasment!
Do you understand or you will repeat “bad faith” or “conflate” like a parrot?
No one is saying that. Do you really not understand that this isn’t just about “because I’m personally offended”?
I explicitly said I was against doxxing.
You’re deliberately conflating “opposed to Nazis” with “doxxers” as if those are one and the same, and that is completely dishonest on your part.
It really calls into question whether you have any interest at all in a good-faith discussion. I’m pretty sure at this point that you don’t, but I guess we’ll give this one more shot just because why not.
I never said you supported Nazism directly.
I will say that I think you’ve erroneously bought into a bad-faith argument Nazis like to use about their supposed “freedom of expression” to try to force people to give their ideas an undeserved and unjustified platform, though.
In other words, no, you’re not a Nazi. Just a Nazi enabler.
Deplatforming shitty people isn’t censorship.
No one is “deciding for artists what they can draw.”
All people are considering saying is, “No, we don’t want that here specifically on this one webite.”
Artists would still be completely free to draw Aryanne and post their pics in some other venue willing to platform them.
Again, I think this is something you know, and again, I think you’re making a very dishonest conflation.
They have always had the potential to create a hostile atmosphere to minorities, in this fandom or in any other.
I didn’t say you were a totalitarian. I said you were an absolutist. Because you are, quite self-evidently, a free expression absolutist. You believe there’s only one correct stance on free expression, which is that platforms must not restrict it. That is akin to totalitarianism, just much more limited in scope.
Yet another misrepresentation on your part.
I think you know full well that allowing people to spread toxic images has the power to create a toxic, unwelcoming atmosphere.
You really are doing your hardest to misunderstand and misrepresent everyone who disagrees with you, don’t you?
For one thing, nobody and no one is “deciding what artists can draw”. You can draw Nazi ponies to your heart’s content, and the government is not coming for you. Derpibooru goon squads aren’t going to kick in your door and smash your tablet before dragging you away. The only thing happening here is that you don’t get to post your art of Nazi ponies on Derpibooru.
If you do not understand the difference, then there is no point in having any kind of a discussion with you; you’re either too blind or too dishonest to have anything meaningful to say.
So people who say “ban Aryanne because she offends me” have to be intolerated?
Gotcha!
And the rest of your post have NOTHING to do with art.
@Background Pony #9D4B
Then why are you on the side of people who do this?
It is so cute that you ignored EVERYBODY on pro-freedom side in forums.
Bullshit, this ENTIRE shit started with downvoting BLM artpieces and eskalated to “nazi shit” because woot is a cretin.
The only strawman is thinking that pro-freedom side supports real-life nazism.
You are not “opposing” anything, you wanna censor others using real-life methods of oppresion!
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT ARE YOU DOING BY DECIDING FOR ARTISTS WHAT CAN THEY DRAW!
“Internet nazis” NEVER had the power to force others to do anything in this fandom.
“Anti-nazis” however tried to “cauterize” fandom as early as 2013.
The only way I could be EVER be seen as totalitarian is if I forbid using filters and forced others to see “nazi arts”.
But I don’t.
Use filters kids!
So you are telling me that “nazi arts” have magical powers to attack certain kinds of people just by existing?
Regardless of content of said art?
…is this voodoo related?
Once again:
Newsflash! Nazi Meets World, Discovers Being A Nazi Has Consequences! Story at 11!
Boo fucking hoo.
Seriously, I don’t believe in doxxing people, and I don’t advocate anyone who does that.
Still, I don’t see why you’re bringing it up, because I don’t see how this a justification for hate. A tiny minority of independent actors taking it on themselves to do unacceptable things doesn’t invalidate the underlying point that Nazism is not tolerable for a tolerant society.
This was never about “everyone who fights for freedom of expression.”
The context of this controversy is only about Nazi hate symbols specifically.
Nice strawman, though.
Opposing totalitarianist systems like Nazism is the exact opposite of totalitarian thinking. By definition. Totalitarian mindsets have literally set themselves against every other philosophy because they seek to encompass total control of every aspect of life - hence the name, _TOTAL_itarianism.
Seeking to oppose Nazis and fascism is incomparably limited in scope, because it seeks only to oppose one specific philosophy, and it does so explicitly for the benefit, not the detriment, of every other freedom, especially those that fascist Nazis would eagerly take away.
That you would slander this defense of broader freedoms as “totalitarianism” because of your own insistence on, ironically, a very absolutist mindset in which you believe no one has the right to question your principle of unlimited free expression makes it akin to totalitarianism itself.
Next time you want to scream “Totalitarian!” at someone, go look in a mirror while you’re doing it.
Because you don’t fucking get it. This isn’t about “not seeing it” any more than the danger of a house fire just magically goes away if you shut your eyes and don’t look at the flames. Filters don’t solve the problems with the very existence of this kind of content being inherently hostile to the people targeted by Nazis.
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It’s almost as if you made zero effort to understand the information presented.
Let me try again: if a society values tolerance, the one thing it cannot tolerate is intolerance. That’s not a contradiction if your goal is to maximize tolerancen, because absolute toleration of all things inevitably includes allowing intolerance to flourish.
For example, a nation that values tolerance can’t allow for racist slavery. “Well they’re just being intolerant of bigots, hypocrites says I!” Not so. Because racist slavery imposes greater intolerance on society than the prohibition of racist slavery. So to maximize the amount of tolerance in society, racist slavery can’t be permitted.
The same with a society that tolerates antisemitic policymakers. The policies such policymakers impose would be more intolerant, resulting in a far less tolerant society, compared to one that consistently showed no tolerance for antisemitic policymakers.
It’s of a piece with the saying “be open-minded, but not so much that your brains fall out.” It only seems counter-intuitive if you don’t make any effort to understand the argument.
Preparing doxxing material on discord and attacking DB patreon is not “expression of displeasure”.
Using outside media to coerce PRIVATE platform is such an example of private ownership!
Wow, I am touched!
Yep! Everybody who fights for freedom of expression is a nazi!
This is totally not totalitarian way of thinking!
If “free speech” touched you in inappropriate place, then why not use filters?
I mean, “nazi” and “aryanne” is filtered by default and the only way to see them is by using “everything” filter.
SO why censor when you can filter?
Oh no, you mean people expressed their displeasure for Nazi hate symbols and PRIVATE PLATFORMS responded by choosing to remove intolerant content just like they’ve always done at their own discretion, as allowed for by their terms of service?
You mean Nazis found out that their expressions of Nazism come with consequences, the same way free expression comes with consequences for everyone else?
You mean to tell me that “free speech” doesn’t equal guaranteed personal immunity from the repercussions when you decide to be an irresponsible, hurtful, complete asshole about what you choose to say???????
Such injustice!
Yep, there is a fascist agenda in bronyhood to “rob my freedom”.
It uses tumblr and discord to force platforms to cater ONLY for the “proper side” of politics via censorship.
Even neutrals were attacked! After all, If you do not fight “nazis”, then you enable them!
Fortunately “pony freedom fighters” interfered with them and fought back.
Only time will tell if freedom survives.
It’s actually not like that at all because the concept of tolerance of all people (ie., not discriminating against people for their protected class status) is not a slavish devotion to an absolute tolerance of every idea.
Tolerance is about people. Not about being forced to accept that all ideas must be allowed equal platforming, even if those ideas are low-quality, strongly discredited, or outright despicable abominations of intolerant hate.
That’s what you “but muh tolerance!” pushers don’t understand.
That’s why you’re the unwitting tool - the “useful idiot” - of fascist agendas, which, ultimately, plan to rob you of your “tolerance” and free expression the moment they’re successful in using the bad-faith logic of crying “you have to tolerate what I’m saying!” to get enough of an audience to gain power.