This little cunt got what she deserved.

Your a demon in a childs body

It builds character.

petrifying cozy maybe child abuse, but age is just a number after all

Reading through the comments has shown me that some people don’t seem to understand the difference between a comment and a whole essay. Dear god…

@Phaoray  
Tartarus is meant to be a place that holds creatures too powerfull for normal prisons. I don’t see how Cozy’s powerfull enough to warrent locking her up in a small empty cage. By your logic every criminal that can talk should be placed either there or petrified because they can convince others to help them escape.
 
Cozy was arguably the least important member of the heist next to the magic stealing centaur and the changeling who can also manipulate others and the only reason Tirek and Chrysalis listened to her is because they were forced to work together by Grogar. Trained guards who would already know why she was in wouldn’t simply believe her lies or listen to her manipulations. Same with most prisinors. She’s smart, but its not like she has magical manipulation abilities because again, we’ve seen that fail with Rusty Bucket and the Main Six after they escaped Tartarus and even Tirek and Chrysalis to an extent.
 
And no, just because someone is smart and charismatic doesn1t mean that their too dangerous for a normal prison. Guards won’t care about how smart an inmate is over doing their job.
 
Speaking and manipulating didn’t seem to save her from being sent to Tartarus and if you want fairness then Discord should have been petrified alongside them. Really, this point goes for all three of them considering how depowered and outmatched they were.
 
And in Cozy’s case you can say a circomstance would be that she’s a child and that still leaves Tempest and Discord. And because Twilight didn’t give out information to the princesses that makes Starlight’s leeway fairer?
 
As Discord said: togeter forever. And the fact still remains that Discord’s imprisonment did nothing to reform him and that he remained unpunished after helping Tirek and bringing the trio together. There is also the case that Discord is very powerfull and a great manipulator in his own right. I could easily chalk up his imprisonment in the same way I did Sombra’s. He was causing chaos and would have faught back and had no other way to contain at the time. Cozy, meanwhile was a pegasus filly who was held down by normal guards and stuck under a giant cupcake.
 
Tempest and Starlight only showed regret when Twilight made the move to try and reformed them (which of course, didn’t work at first). They would have felt no shame or guilt on their own accord. Cozy never recieved that and those two and Discord would never have reformed had they not got it.
 
As for Discord, he wasn’t unique. He was hurting ponies just for his own amusement, which I find worse then actually having an end goal to it. Just imagine trying to live in the chaotic nightmare he caused and really, considering the reletively harmless and small amount of chaos required to keep him alive and happy his rampage was like if I were to start cannibalizing people alongside what I normally eat to not starve. Sure, I could say that I’m trying to survive but at that point I’d be going criminally overboard. Theres a reason he was remembers as someone with a heart as cold as stone, after all.
 
If I recall, Starlight actually did escape after her first defeat and Discord never surrendered after two of his defeats. Cozy marely tried the same thing Starlight did but failed.
 
Sombra was literally attacking Twilight and her friends with magic. If someone tries to attack the homeowner then its self defence if they fight back. So yes, the Main Six were defending themselves.
 
Not really? Starlight’s dad seemed more then willing to be a part of his daughter’s life and I doupt he would have supported what she did.
 
The school was not another chance because it wasn’t a reformation attempt. Just what did the school teach? Basically some history lessons and the jobs and hobbies of the Main 6. The friendship part came from the extracurricular activities and the out-of-classroom presentations in which we barely saw Cozy participate. Even with the CMC it was mostly just doing chores for others and even then Cozy had no reason to reveal her lie about the test for them.
 
Discord getting his own reformation program was an actual attempt and again, Sunset was given a proper second chance when Cozy wasn’t.
 
Cozy never changed because no one tried to help her or offer her a chance to change as opposed to Starlight who got her proper chance from Twilight only to reject it once. Same with others. None of the reformed villains reformed on their own. They were all helped to reform which is again, something Cozy never got.
 
Chrysalis never actually got the same chance as them as the Main Six’s capture the first time was brief and the second time they were unconcious in a caccoon. Tempest and Starlight never engaged with Twilight because it was Twilight who engaged with them and did her best to reform them. Not the other way around.
 
The fact that they came that close to a revelation showed that there was hope for them. No other villain ever got that close on their own. They always needed help from the heroes to reach even that point. The scene showed that they had more potential then any other previously reformed villain before they got reformed.
 
Tempest only regretted what she did because of Twilight. Had the Storm King not betrayed her first she would have been content to let him win. And again, Discord. He neither felt guilt nor sought out help.
 
They were immobalized so they could have safely been given a reformation attempt. When Starlight lost for the first time she was given a friendship speech only to reject it. By that logic she should have been further persuide and sent to Tartarus right then and there. The key to that point was that there was no need to petrify them.
 
Discord still promised the destruction of Twilight and co. and demanded that they work together to help him achieve that goal. He gave them the bell. In a sense, he got exatly what he wanted. Sure, the trio are guilty but so is Discord. And again, Discord never apologized after his first and second defeat and Starlight never apologized after her first one.
 
So because Starlight got lucky enough not to get caught its fair that she got another chance? That hardly seems fair.
 
Sure, you can say that they may have looked into it, but Celestia’s line, the fact that we got absolutely no information on it and the editing did not make it look like that was the case.
 
If she just wanted to reassure, she would have said that its been taken care of and if she guessed the verdict before any investigation then there was probably no investigation. Really, everything points to the princesses not even investigating or trying anything with her.

@asdtroi
 
Allright, fair on Tartarus not being a bad place to keep them. Their is no one to convince to let them out so yes, that would be a good place for Cozy Glow.
 
And yes, Cozy could not pull that heist off on her own, but neither could the other two as well. AS for prisoners listening to some filly, yes? Tirek and Chrysalis did, it just took time. The whole special thing that makes Cozy Glow powerful is her ability to manipulate others; find what they want, prove her worth, and then start scheming. That’s her entire schtick. Putting her around trained guards just gives her more tools to work with.
 
None of the villains are infallable.Cozy just needs others to underestimate her, like the guards would considering her size and lack of magic. You are really underestimating what a smart, charismatic person who knows how to plan and manipulate is capable of.
 

 
The practical was so she could no longer speak and manipulate, she received the same punishment as her cohorts. Not really fair to stone the other two over the crime committed and not stone her as well.
 

 
It’s not, that is how law works, 1 to 4 years for x crime, that type of leeway is used based on what is known and found out about the person in question. Someone can get one year in prison while another gets four based on the circumstances surrounding the crime and the people involved. That is fair.
 
Starlight convinced ponies to willingly give up their marks by manipulation, her crimes were around a small town she herself made and with twilight only for the time travel events. That doubtfully was discussed with anypony else but the mane six because what would be the point of Twilight bringing it up with the other princesses if Twilight wanted to help reform her and the ponies already involved trusted Twilight to do the right thing?
 
As for Discord, okay, let’s go with the thought of giving Cozy the same punishment Discord got then to be fair; stoning for about a thousand years and then trying to reform her. Mind you, I doubt there intention was ever to really free him so she is still getting a lower sentence than Discord did so the sentence is still a bit unfair in her favor.
 

 
As I stated before, Starlight and Tempest showed regret and either surrendered or turned on the main bad guy. That is literally all you need to do to start down a redemption arc in the Princesses eyes. Cozy never did either of those. For that chance at redemption, the villain has to take the first step, she didn’t, so she is treated differently than those two.
 
Discord is the only one who never did, but he also was unique, his goal was just to mess with ponies, not rule or hurt them. He was/is chaos; he literally fades away and dies if he doesn’t. Ponies don’t have the same problem, so that was likely part of Celestia’s consideration. Circumstances and the creature in question matter when sentencing someone.
 

 
As compared to who, Starlight? Starlight surrendered but she didn’t have to, you are again not looking at the circumstances surrounding the events. Starlight and Discord had plenty of ways to escape instead of surrender but they didn’t. Discord could have just teleported away before the rainbow hit, but to him this was all the urge to do chaos and play a game that he lost. And his reform was a similar situation, he could have left at anytime, but it was a new game to play.
 

 
Yeah, no, you don’t throw someone out of their own house and when you get attacked for it claim self defense. That’s not how that works.
 

 
We can clearly see he more enabled her choice to do what she did than anything else. He didn’t teach her right from wrong, he just doted on her and did not correct her actions.
 

 
Right, but it was yet another chance Cozy had compared to most of the others. Sunset went to a school focused on magic, Cozy went to a school specifically meant to explain and foster friendship. Sunset had no friends, Cozy at least had the CMC.
 
the only one who was actually taught to be reformed was Discord. Sunset was handed off to five teenagers by Twilight who promised to give Sunset a chance, they didn’t teach her, they just accepted her into their group.
 
Most reformations happened after a big battle or event, so Cozy had at least two of those to change and she didn’t.
 

 
Right, nopony ever ends up hurt in the show, usually the worst is mind control that has no long term issues.
 

 
Right, and this goes into the circumstances of what was occurring. A man robbing from a store quietly getting a chance at redemption by stopping another man walking in with a gun to shoot people. Those type of events did come up a times for Cozy and Chrysalis. Like Tempest, they both had the mane six imprisoned at some point. They both had the chance to speak with them but didn’t take it. Tempest and Starlight however, actively engaged Twilight and the others and explained themselves, Cozy never did so that is more her own fault. She didn’t want to be understood by others, she didn’t have that level of empathy.
 

 
If you don’t count Trixie as a villain or this as a chance at redemption than this is just based on our opinions and we won’t be able to go anywhere discussing this point. To me, they learned a important lesson and felt what it meant to be friends by going through all those trials and threw it and a chance at redemption away, to you, they didn’t.
 

 
Right, and she regretted it and sought out Twilight to explain why she feels the way she does. That alone would likely have been enough for her to gain a chance at reformation. Her helping them at the end is just icing at that point. Cozy did none of that and that has tended to be the minimum required for a chance in Equestria.
 

 
Yup, that was their point to ask for a chance to change, or anything, and instead they let Chrysalis declare to everypony that they would just try again.
 

 
Discord left all the plans and details to their discretion. He didn’t tell them to do what they did besides go to the mountain, even their he didn’t tell them how to do any of that besides to work together. They had every chance to walk away from it, he didn’t stop Sombra from doing so. Discord broke them out and was setting them up to fail, they did the deeds, they tried to mess up lives, that is on them and if they aren’t guilty or willing to apologize, then they do not get leniency. That’s how Equestria works.
 

 
Right, and she wasn’t caught. She took the minimal required step for reformation next time she met Twilight. If she had been caught at that point, she wouldn’t have been reformed most likely.
 

 
Already explained my thoughts on this up above a bit.
 

 
I think higher of Twilight and Cadance and Luna than that, Especially Twilight. If you want to believe that the princesses looked at a filly and said ‘she’s beyond help’ before sentencing her to Tartarus without trying their best to prevent that then you have a much darker view of the princesses than I do. They are fallible but you are ignoring who they are entirely if you think that.
 
As for what Celestia said, it depends on what you want to believe. Was she just trying to ensure the CMC and others? Maybe. Was she sure of the verdict? Maybe. We don’t know, we can only speculate. It comes down to whether you believe that the princesses who made the call all collectively lost their belief in helping others and redemption when it came down to sentencing a child or not. To me, that doesn’t make sense based on everything I’ve seen, so it’s not the case.

@asdtroi
 
@Phaoray
 
Wow, such walls; much text…
 
*unsubs and walks away*

@Phaoray  
I wouldn’t consider Tirek getting out of Tartarus to be a good example as it took him a thousend years to pull it off and he was the only inmate that we’ve seen do so. He never managed to escape again because the second time was Discord breaking him out along with Cozy. All things considered thats quite a good track record. As for Twilight and the trio’s breaking, Twilight was a very powerfull magic user and could teleport even before becoming a princess and the trio were supervillains who had a shapeshifter at their side. Cozy could not pull that off on her own. And really, even if she talks to some prisinors are they going to listen to some filly? She doesn’t have mind controll powers and would most likely be surrounded by trained guards who could probably handle even a prison riot. By that logic anyone who’s good at talking to others would be too dangerous for prison.
 
Yes, but Rusty Bucket was clearily well-versed in Twilight’s book and evryone else would already know what she was like, thus not immedietly trust her and really, it does prove that she’s not infallable.
 
True, but in most of those cases the villains were either attacking and had to be put down or escaped. Cozy was being held in place by two guards after her first defeat and immobalized and depowered after the second one. There was no practical or self-defence need to petrify her and could be safely worked on to be reformed.
 
Sure, but at that point its rather unfair that someone gets a chance but another gets the worst punishment out there. I believe that if the princesses decide that Starlight deserves a chance then so should Cozy and if Cozy doesn’t deserve a chance then neither should Discord. This inconsistency is a mark against the princesses as good rulers should be fair. It simply does not put them in a good light to not try anything with her.
 
Yes, Cozy probably wanted power for powers sake, but she also briefly showed a liking for helping other in Frenemies. Sure, it wasn’t much but it could have still blossomed. She also never had any real friends as she was manipulating others. Perhaps when that doesn’t work anymore because everyone is on to her she might actually start making real ones? We don’t know because again, no one ever tried.
 
Starlight planned out her revenge on Twilight during long periods of spying on her accross multiple episodes and cast dangerous spells on her multiple times. She also didn’t seem to feel bad after attacking two of her villaigers. Similarely Tempest lead attacks on neumerous nations all for her own personal gain. The only reason these two eventually reformed and got better was because Twilight did her best to try and help them which is something Cozy never got. Therefore if they deserved second chances then I believe that Cozy did as well.
 
Just because someone had a backstory that we saw and was sad, but that doesn’t stop the fact that they did similarely bad things as Cozy but got off almost scott free while Cozy didn’t. Its still just as unfair to her.
 
As for surrendering. Discord never surrendered and he was eventually set free and the only reason that he didn’t go back to rampaging was because he had the elements pointed at him. You could argue that Cozy also surrendered when she got surrounded by guards as she didn’t seem to fight them when she was captured. And in Sombra’s case it was more of an act of self-defence.
 
Simply going to school isn’t the same as getting reformed. Again, we know that Starlight had a very supportive father who would have shown her the right ways and examples. Sunset had Celestia as a mentor and it took her until teen/adulthood to become a good person. Simply going to a school where no one knows what she was like wouldn’t have converted any pre-reformation reformed villains.
 
When Cozy did her spell drain nopony actually got hurt even if they were in danger. When Tirek drained all that magic he seemed quite content with just letting ponies be afterwards, even letting the Pillers off. Chrysalis’s actions caused surprisingly few if any casualties or injuries.
 
Chrysalis and Starlight only talked briefly right after Chrysalis was defeated and to her, lost everything. Contrast this with Twilight talking to Tempest from her cell and talking to Starlight neumerous times during the time travel thing. Compared to that it was quite a brief scene. Discord went back to being a villain when Tirek spent time with him and was in no way trying to reform him. Cozy was never herself when she interacted with the Main Six though, and they thought that she was a normal filly, therefore I wouldn’t exactly count it.
 
I’d argue that Trixie was never a villain as the ursa was not her fault and the second time she was influenced by a magical artifact. Even after that she weas kind of a jerk at times.
 
I’d also argue that scene wasn’t a chance at redemption for those three as again, no villain ever reformed themselves without help. No one was their to keep them together or try to explain what they felt and the fact that they got that far on their own shows more potential in them then any previously reformed villain. By that logic you could argue that Starlight had a chance to learn from Twilight when she was spying on her, but she didn’t.
 
Just because Tempest wasn’t the big boss didn’t stop her from willingly joining Storm King or planning out and launching all those attacks. You can even see ponies being muzzled and carried away in the movie like slaves. Sombra was attacking and at full power while the trio were depowerd and immobalized thus unable to fight anymore.
 
Except it was Discord who brought the bigger bad together, demanded that they work together to destroy Twilight and co. and gave them the location of the bell all the while deliberatly, maciciously and uncairingly set them up for failure. He was the one who arguably made them even worse then they were and was one of the main reasons the attack happened. What reason did the trio have to feel guilty or apologize after that? Discord was certainly unapologetic during his reign and I remember him literally mocking Fluttershy for trying to reform him at first. Starlight also didn’t seem to feel all that guilty after attacking two of her villaigers.
 
Considering that Discord was willing to further encourage that filly into villainy and still petrify her after after saying in his debut episode that he doesn’t turn ponies into stone leads me to believe that he most certainly would.
 
As for wanting to be reformed. Again, Discord didn’t.
 
Just because Cozy was evil and calculating doesn’t mean thet Discord and Starlight weren’t. And yea, the treatment of those animals was super wierd.
 
I honestly think that they just forgot their own values of forgiveness and redemption in Cozy’s case because we never saw or heard any sort of investigation into her. Saying that they could have offscreen is like saying that Cozy actually had a super tragic and sympathetic backstory but all evidence to it vanished and she doesn’t like talking about it.
 
But they couldn’t have done the investigation because the day after Cozy was sentenced (again, CMC) we saw Celestia mentioning that where she was going she wasn’t going to cause any trouble. I doupt she would come to that conclution if there was going to be a big multi-day investigation beforehand.

Imagine simping for a fictional remorseless child for almost a year.

@asdtroi
 
The same way Tirek got out of Tartarus the first and second time, the same way Princess Twilight breaks into restricted rooms in the canterlot library, and the same way the three got through Canterlot to get that book/artifact thing they needed for their last plan to overrule Equestria. You might not want to believe this but Equestrian security sucks. It wouldn’t take her long to talk to some other prisoners, figure out how to manipulate them, and get out.
 
Rusty Bucket is one example of her manipulation not working where there is dozens of others she manipulated to counter it.
 
Unfair? Maybe, but not much. throughout the show you see a ton of villains getting second chances, and you see a few of those villains die, or be abandoned to live or die of their own fate. Noone goes to see if the Dazzlings will die without their gems feeding them, noone cares that foals are playing with the stone corpse of the Storm King, and Twilight and others couldn’t care less when Trixie came back in town and explained just how hard her life had been since the Ursa Minor incident. Equestria is a much nicer and fairer place and it is portrayed that way, but that doesn’t mean it has to be that way all the time, nor should it. It’d be harder to swallow if that were the case.
 
But I also don’t see blaming the Princesses consider the villains are just, and usually more falliable. Some of the villains the princesses are willing to take responsibility for, some they aren’t. It’s no mark against the princesses if they think “I am not going to try to reform every creature in Equestria”. They’ve got lives, duties and other responsibilities, and if they, nor any creature else decides to stand up for a villain and say ‘but I can change them!’, it doesn’t seem to be their fault in my opinion.
 
Tirek is an old evil that has nearly destroyed Equestria, what? Three - four times now? No creature stands up to say they can alter his ways and mind, so he gets the full penalty of law for his actions. Character witnesses and creatures willing to take responsibility for a bad person seem VERY important to Equestrian law and culture. Helping somepony just because ‘it’s my job’ as opposed to ‘I like them’ or ‘it’s my cutie mark, and my destiny!’ doesn’t seem to be a thing in their culture.
 
I’m not saying friendship isn’t power; but Equestria is very big on showing the difference between a pony who looks for power just for the sake of power, and somepony having that power because they deserve it for their actions and mind set. Cozy Glow doesn’t deserve it because she doesn’t see friends as friends, she sees them as stepping stools to make herself more powerful and nothing more.
 
We are just going to disagree on the age thing here, this might just be a cultural barrier between us. Here, we’ve had teenagers murder people and get tried as an adult based on their lack of empathy during or after the murder, the circumstances around it, and whether or not they planned it out. To me, Cozy Glow fits for an utter lack of empathy to others, the fact that her background is so inconsequential that we never even see it in the show, and the planning stage, she didn’t get away with it, but that’s hardly a reason to think she deserves leniency on it. To me, she doesn’t deserve another chance at reform, she will likely get it though because Equestria is shown to be a nicer world.
 

 
Right, except for the fact that Starlight lost her only friend and went..just crazy. I could go on a rant about the stupidity of Starlight’s origin story but it’d not be on subject. With Starlight, like Tempest, we learn about her back story because it is significant, Cozy Glows wasn’t apparently to the people who wrote her out because we never see it. Maybe she grew up in a powerful family and is following in a dark path to get that same power, we don’t know but apparently it wasn’t significant enough for us to know about so it’s just speculation.
 
Starlight and Tempest we do know because the writers felt it was relevant, and so it was put in. In Starlight’s case, she willingly surrendered, where Tirek, Cozy and Chrysalis never have. Sombra didn’t either, and look what happened to him, was blasting him till he melted with the rainbow wrong? For the mane six and the others present, it wasn’t.
 
Cozy Glow had every opportunity to turn around while in school. She had friends, she had teachers who actively taught what it meant to be a good friend, Cozy talks about how she is in classes there so it is unlikely just because we don’t see it that she did not receive the same lessons the mane creatures we follow in the series did. Just because noone personally tried to reform her doesn’t mean that she wasn’t being shown the right steps and examples to not do evil. She literally had ponies who consider her their friends, and decided to ignore how everypony in the school acted in place of draining Equestria of all its magic.
 

Right, and nopony was hurt. To Equestria, this is kind of forgivable so long as no injury occurs. Heck, Trixie enslaved a town for a day and she got to just trot off.
 

 
They did, Chrysalis and Starlight talked on several occasions outside of combat, Chrysalis was even offered the reformation arc and refused it already. Tirek and Discord interacted alot without issue and while he isn’t one of the mane six, if Discord had wanted to try to help Tirek I guarantee FS would have been behind him all the way. And Cozy Glow had over a year to reveal a tragic back story and interacted with the mane six in that school. Cozy out of all of them had not just a day or a few minutes, but months for it to come up, she had more chances than any villain else in the series to interact with them. Just because the mane six didn’t know she was lying and evil the whole time does not change that fact.
 

Trixie did, her life got much better after Starlight, but Twilight didn’t do anything to try to reform Trixie, just stop the amulet; and that is Twilight’s Greatest and Most Powerful nemesis you know!
 
But with that scene, they were shown to have been given a chance to figure it out on their own, and failed, so they did have an extra chance at redemption others did not, just because they learned it themselves does not invalidate that it was a chance they declined.
 
Again, with Tempest, their was one attack on Canterlot by her, so not many in that particular country, they didn’t go all over Equestria conquering it. Plus, Tempest and Twilight talked and Tempest explained why she was like this, so the storm king was the big boss and was, more of less, killed. You could say it was also unfair for Sombra and him to be killed, but apparently that is a thing that is fine to do to villains in Equestria when they are believed beyond redemption and no pony steps in to say they can be reformed.
 
Discord is in the same boat as Tempest on this one, they had a bigger bad than Discord who showed sorrow over his betrayal and so Tirek got all the blame. Most of Equestria isn’t that fond of Discord at all, but a common theme in it is ‘if you apologize, and are willing to try to learn, you could blow up Manehattan and so long as nopony was hurt, you’ll get a chance to turn it around’, and that is the one thing NONE of the three ever did when defeated.
 
It’s like Goku letting Vegeta go after just saying ‘sorry I tried to blow up your planet’, it really, REALLY seems idiotic, but that is just how crazy willing Equestria is to forgive and help other reform. But if you don’t show ANY empathy or are willing to apologize at all, then they don’t really care.
 

 
Heh, see with this one, I’d LOVE to say; Do you really thing Discord would put a filly into stone if he knew she would be unconscious after going through it himself? Really!?
 
Buut…despite being better, I wouldn’t entirely put it past him. He’s bad with empathy outside of Fluttershy. Now, I’m not saying it couldn’t work, it might, but you need somepony willing to reform her, and since Cozy didn’t want to be reformed, it doesn’t seem like many are willing to force that onto her. I swear, Equestria in most cases is like those ten step programs ‘you first have to admit you have a problem’, and then they will help you through the next nine.
 

 
Yeah…I don’t…I was very disturbed when it came to Cozy Glow in general. I kept expecting her to reveal herself to be Chrysalis, because there is no way a little filly is this dark and calculating…and then that turned out to be true. And then apparently a whole bunch of magical animals were banished to Tartarus and I thought FS was going to freak the heck out and rage about it, and then she didn’t. And then they sent a filly to Tartarus…and the animals were still there in the cages…
 
At that point, you kind of have to decide how you want to interpret that whole thing. Twilight and the princesses always seem willing to give second chances, to insane degrees. Do you interpret this as a mistake, or figure that there must be something so messed up with Cozy Glow that, like Tirek and Chrysalis, that they have decided to she can’t be reformed.
 
Or, that this virtue of forgiveness and redemption that they have harped on for so long in this story, that somehow, they failed to apply to it for a Pegasus filly.
 
I go with the belief that the mane six and the princesses are not so messed in the head that they just decided a filly was not worth reforming with no looking into her background and a great deal of discussion and investigation. The end of the episode where she is thrown in Tartarus is never revealed as far as timeline. It could have been a 6 month long investigation for all we know. And I feel that is ALOT more likely then them just tossing her in there a day later.

@Phaoray  
But how would Cozy get past a bunch of trained guards who knows what she is capable of? How would she organize the inmates to an effective force and have them listen to a kid? Again, Rusty Bucket. When her gig is up and she has no allies or artifacts to carry her she’s just a normal filly
 
Whatever the reasons, it just seems very unfair for these double standard treatments. The princesses, while not infallable should at least have the experience to at least be able to try something and the fact that they could be wrong in their judgment just gives credence that the trio should have been reformed.
 
If previous reformed villains got their chances due to race and power then Cozy was right: frienship is power. I don’t think that reforming someone based on their potential usefullness is very friendshipy.
 
I believe the fact that she’s a filly does matter in this case because her mind may still be developing (no matter her intellect) allowing her to accept new ideas more easily and the fact that it would make her safer to reform then say, Discord who is also manipulative but has his magic in addition. Sure, she still did what she did but her young age might make it easier to reform her.
 
Twilight making the right call doesn’t change the fact that Starlight got a chance when Cozy didn’t and being in a friendship school while no knows your a villain is simply not the same as someone who already knows your a villain making a concious attempt at reforming you. If you learn some things like say, a short story at school enough to get good grades on it that doesn’t mean you’d actually memorize it. And really, most of the classes seamed to be either history lessons, gym class or the Main 6 teaching about their hobbies and we barely if ever saw Cozy partake in actual extracurricular activities. By that logic Starlight had a loving father but still started a cult, attacked two of her former cultists who blindly followed her up to that point and learned nothing while spying on Twilight for a while. Discord, who got his own private reformation program also regressed and did bad things even after his reformation. They know what Cozy is like. Her manipulations wouldn’t work anymore. Surely, an actual reformation attempt could be made with her.
 
Him warning Sombra doesn’t change the fact that he still bring him back only to endanger others just to set him up for failure. Discord hasn’t exactly been known to be reliable. Yes, he saved Fluttershy but what if anyone else got in danger? He did let a bunch of mind controlled ponies attack the Main 6 after all.
 
The fact that they got far enough on the mountain to have an almost revelation that they had to be snapped out of shows that they had more potential to reform then previous villains, whom all needed help from Twilight and co. to get even that far. But the thing is that no villain ever reformed themselves without help so I don’t think its fair to expect that from the trio.
 
Wouldn’t Discords blatent betrayel and giving ponies to Tirek be something like that? Or how it was mostly Tempest that lead Storm King’s armies in their many attacks? Surely, they wouldn’t have been seen favourably in the public eye either. As for Chrysalis, almost no other villain would give up in her place. Discord would try to escape or do chaos at the very least and I’m pretty sure its the same with Starlight.
 
The fact that Discord said “together forever” unnopposed and the fact that we saw nothing of them makes it more evident that they weren’t reformed rather then they were to me.
 
And the fact that Tempest got away scott free is still unfair to those who didn’t even get an attempt at reformation even in some kind of prison.
 
Going back to Discord’s line, the fact that the princesses were so willing to go along with it and did not contradict him after doesn’t paint a hopefull picture for the trio
 
The trio never got a chance to interact that much with the Main 6 outside of combat. In contrast Twilight got to talk with both Tempest and Starlight in great length while knowing that they were villains before they were defeated.
 
But still, the fresher she is on the mind of everyone the easier it would be for them to try and help her. Especially considering that she might be concious while petrified. Its best to star young, after all. I’m not saying that she should be released immedietly I’m saying that there should be a reformation attempt soon. Discord’s time petrified didn’t help him change in the slightest and Cozy should be comparatively much safer to handle thus negating the absolute need to keep her petrified.
 
 
As for those precautions, Discord could still do some sneakier magic and did do dangerous thing even after he got reformed. Again, Cozy would be much safer to deal with.
 
I do agree that they will most likely reform her at some point in the future, but I think they should have tried much sooner. Perhaps even before she was sent to Tartarus. Then again they neglected Tirek for so long so I don’t know.

@Phaoray  
I don’t think it’ll last more than another reply or two  
Right, well… we’ll see.

@GasMaskGuy98  
I don’t think it’ll last more than another reply or two, not much more to say. I think there are some points we won’t ever agree, but this is how long discussions can go. So far I’ve learned some from it, so I feel it has been a fruitful back and forth.

So, uh, would this warrant the op started shit tag? ’Cause, uh, its very apparent neither side of this plans to just let it die any time soon.

@asdtroi  
She’s not taking as a serious threat, it’s how Cozy works. Yes, strong-minded ponies would likely be able to hold off, but unless she was in solitary confinement most of the time, Cozy would easily get a group together to break out.She’s not mind controlling, but she is a child prodigy when it comes to planning and manipulating.
 
Yes, the others got away with doing bad deeds. There are quite a few ways you could go down why they got away with it that matches past reformations, not all of them make the princesses look good mind you, but that’s not what I am here for. ^-
 
You can make the argument that Starlight, Tempest, and Discord all got reformation attempts because they have high levels of magic that could help Equestria. You could also argue that Trixie and Sunset as well didn’t receive punishment because most of these reformed villains were unicorns an their is a racial thing going on.
 
You keep bringing up that she is a filly, but I don’t feel that matters in her case. She is fully aware of what she is doing to others, she is fully aware that she is hurting others, she can keep up and even make plans for Chrysalis and Tirek, she is at least as capable mentally as them. Her being 13 or whatever just doesn’t factor into the things she’s done.
 

 
Yeah, that was up to Twilight’s discretion, and hey, she made the right call. If Starlight had refused to give up and still lost, I think she’d either still be a villain in stone or on the loose right now.
 
Cozy had her chance, The mane six educated her for around a year at least, Cozy was a assistant to Twilight’s and met her daily in school, if in all that time Cozy learned nothing about friendship besides how to manipulate others, then I can see why Twilight wouldn’t see her as redeemable. She was already taught the right way, she had ponies who consider her their friend, but she ignored it for her own ambition. How do you reform somepony who already knows and ignores your reasons for why they shouldn’t act like they are? Discord had that teaching for like, four days at most and turned around. He stumbled a few times after, but he turned around.
 

 
Might be able to be reformed, Sombra’s death is his own fault, not Discord’s. Discord warned him what would happen, watched Sombra do what he did, and as he said at the end, made sure that nothing serious would happen because if his plan with Sombra did go bad, he could immediately take him out. I think if Sombra had actually hurt anypony, he would have intervened, but he didn’t so we are good.
 
Yes, he used threats, but he wasn’t around alot, we never saw him forbid them from wandering off, and besides that, there WAS a chance to reform that the writers put in. On the mountain, when they could have been friends and learn from their mistakes? They rejected it.
 
As for Equestria being forgiven, you need to think of the villains that were involved. Not as much Cozy Glow as her plan was long range, but only locals knew about it, but Tirek and Chrysalis, who either used large displays of armies to attack with, or went around draining every single creature. They were surrounded by what? At least a few dozen creatures if not more? Saying ‘okay, you almost imprisoned and ruined Equestria, let’s try to reform you now’, that…wouldn’t go over well with the mass attacks that happened. Especially considering Chrysalis saying “We’ll just do this again you know, so hah!”
 
As for the rest about double standards, admittedly, unless I missed it ‘and I did shoot through the clips of the last episodes to verify’, we never see the statue of the three of them in the future segments. For all we know, Cozy and the others were reformed. But like Discord, they didn’t do it the exact same day he was stoned. They ended on a ‘we defeated the final big evil’ note as opposed to a ‘we reformed the final big evil’ one. We obviously have no evidence either way on if they are reformed later or not.
 
Tempest was forgiven for her raid in Equestria, it would be fair to say her raids in other countries would mean the other countries would need to follow up if they wanted to prosecute her. We never see if that happened, but somehow I doubt they did.
 
Discord’s ‘together forever’ line…I wouldn’t take that to heart, somehow I doubt the princesses would really let him make policy on when/if any of those three are to be given another chance. He was given permission for the punishment, not for how long it goes on for.
 

 
That…is fair. If nopony cares, then why would they help? It’s not random, if Chrysalis or Tirek or Cozy showed any redeemable trait or remorse throughout their interactions during the episode like everypony else did at some point or time, then somepony likely would have cared to give them a chance. Heck, Starlight tried and was rebuffed by Chrysalis, so it’s very fair to say Chrysalis at least already had her second chance.
 
As for waking up Cozy soon because creatures know her, ehhh, with what she did, I’d say at least give it 20-40 years, it doesn’t matter if people remember her so long as the princesses or those they give her to to be reformed remember or are explained to. Fluttershy didn’t know crap about Discord before being saddled with him after all.
 
Discord also had his powers, but when released, they had protections in place. Each of the bearers had their element on them, and Twilight had the reformation spells. They didn’t work, but they did take precautions.
 
To note, I am sure at some point their will be attempts to reform them considering this is Equestria, but stoning Cozy at that place and time was the right call, especially considering how easy it is to unstone them if wanted.

@Azerdoe  
Details, man. They are important.

@GasMaskGuy98  
It was meant to be a joke lol

@Phaoray  
Quarrel.

@Azerdoe  
Eh, it’s just discussion and/or debate. Quarrel’s would be angrier…I think.

@Azerdoe  
Not what I’d call it, but… meh.

@GasMaskGuy98  
What an unhealthy relationship.

@asdtroi  
It takes two to quarrel, after all.