@Grapefruit Face
I don’t know why you necroed this months old drama, but you did not, in fact, give credit where credit was due. You even removed artist:sketchyjackie’s tag.
And whether others are doing the same thing as you or not is beside the point - if you see someone else breaking rules, the appropriate solution is to report them. Not to talk shit about them behind their backs because we are asking you to please give proper credit the artists whose work you trace.
If there is something about this that you do not understand, or if this image being tagged the way it is - giving the artist whose work you traced credit for their work - then please send me a PM and perhaps we can work out a solution.
And if you genuinely think that other person is doing that, please report them and include a link to the work that you believe they traced.
Update: The original artist is ok with people making derivative works from their originals as long as they are properly credited and their rights are retained. Now that they are tagged on this image and the image is tagged as an ‘Edit’ we may host it as long as the tags do not change again. If you have any questions about any of this please feel free to PM me.
@Grapefruit Face
Thank you for mentioning the base maker in the description, but we ask that you tag the base maker as well. Without that our own processes designed to respect the artist’s rights will not work properly. The artist’s tag, for us, is how we hook together all the copyright stuff behind the scenes.
Another advantage to adding the original artist’s tag is that it makes it easier for the original artist to see how their work is being used in derivative works. Without that, the image ‘flies under the radar’ and if they do report it then it means we have to get personally involved sending people PMs or talking to them on other sites to knit back together the copyright trail.
As for the ‘edit’ tag, on this site, ‘edit’ = ‘derivative work’. The tag Edit, for us, indicates that the work is a derivative copyright, and this is essential to both our handling all of the international issues surrounding copyright, as well as managing takedowns or resolving disputed copyright claims.
Edit indicates the work is derived from some other work and that it was not made by the original artist so there is a derivative copyright on the work. The work may be transformative, which means it may stand as its own unique copyright and can not be taken down by the original artist, but it is still an ‘edit’.
It is the same for inked or colored versions of pencil sketches. For example, ‘color edit’ is also an edit - it is generally a transformative edit - but it is derivative.
It’s like tracking a SpiderMan cover. Someone makes the sketch, someone inks it, someone colors it, someone letters it. All of those individuals create the final result. Each step along the way, each worker on the image has their own unique copyright claim. They may sign away their copyright as a part of their employment contract, but they still have a ‘copyright claim’ even if their contract for work has rendered it moot.
In this case, it appears that the copyright trail is:
artist:sketchyjackie has a copyright on the linework. This is the original copyright on the image.
artist:alexa1alexa traced artist:sketchyjackie’s work to create the base. Their copyright is derivative.
artist:culu-bluebeaver has a copyright on the background. Your work is transformative of their copyright.
All of this gets very complex sometimes, especially where there are multiple copyrights involved, so this is the policy that we have developed when working these kinds of issues.
In this case, your image is credibly a line-for-line trace of the original artist’s work. So if artist:sketchyjackie wished we would take it down. If that happened, we would also take down the base made by artist:alexa1alexa if it exists on this site.
That you used a base by artist:alexa1alexa doesn’t not really come into play - they have no copyright claim on your work, because they didn’t in any way transform what you did from the original work. In the same way, it would be very difficult for artist:culu-bluebeaver to make a successful copyright claim on your work. They still may, if they wish, but I don’t think it would be successful.
Finally, because your edit of the original work changes the characters in the image it can be considered a “Rule #1” and often we delete these. However, we have no reason at this time to suspect that artist:sketchyjackie would object to this edit, so the image has not been deleted for Rule #1.
However, it is a ‘Trace’. The tag ‘Trace’ only indicates the process by which the image was created though - and it is analogous to the ‘Base Used’ tag - we use the ‘Edit’ tag to track the copyright claims though rather than the ‘Trace’. The ‘Trace’ only indicates that it is a credible trace. Because it is a vector, it might be a ‘Color Edit’, or even an ‘OC Edit’, but in this case it seems that ‘Trace’ works since you yourself tagged it ‘Base Used’. ‘Base Used’ is what DeviantArt calls it, ‘Trace’ is what we call it. So having both tags on the image is fine.
On this site, we track all of this with the ‘edit’ tag and with the artist tags. So it’s critical to have both of those sets of tags on the image.
The edit tag doesn’t say anything about the effort you put into the final work, or the quality of it.
It only indicates that the copyright is derivative.
Also next time, if you have a complaint, please send me a note instead. I don’t appreciate you making me look bad infront of my daughter
I am sorry that you felt it made you look bad, but in this case, they are entirely right. There was no reason to credit artist:alexa1alexa as they have absolutely no claim on your work, or on artist:sketchyjackie’s work. Their ‘base’ is literally not even a part of this discussion and you would be better to instead credit the original artist - in this case artist:sketchyjackie. In fact, I’m going to go look at what else artist:alexa1alexa has done, because based on all of this I suspect they may have some images uploaded here that arguably violate Rule #1.
2LDR: The way that this site and DeviantArt treat these kinds of issues is entirely different. On DeviantArt you have ‘base used’ and very little respect for the original work or the original artists. On this site we have ‘edits’ and ‘traces’ and the focus of our work is to ensure that the original artist’s rights are reserved without limiting the work that derivative artists may create any more than absolutely necessary or as required by each individual original artist.
Sorry for all the edits, but this is a very complex subject. It’s part of why we allow ourselves 3 days to work the process.
Firstly, I want to state I don’t support or endorse art theifs in any way. The reason I didn’t put a link to the original image that alexa1alexa used for the base is because the link he provided was broken; meaning I didn’t know who made it or what the original was. I should’ve done a reverse image search to find out but I didn’t think of doing that (Even If I did it wouldn’t have worked because it leads to re-uploads of the base). So I just credited the base maker and called it a day.
Secondly, the reason I don’t put the original artists in the tags is because I don’t like ruining the original artist’s Derpibooru page with my crappy and cringy pictures. I thought I was doing them a solid by keeping their credits to my description. But if the mods insist I do, I’ll guess I’ll comply.
Thirdly please don’t call these edits. I put alot of effort into these. I even re-traced the base for this so It would look HQ. It took me hours to perfect this, just because I use a darn base doesn’t mean I don’t put passion and effort into each and every detail. Making sure the background looks good, making sure there are no holes or errors. Instead I put the “base used” tag or sometimes I use the “trace” tag. The edit tag is for underwear edits, re colours and memes. Not for art that uses bases. But since you kicked up a storm this image, which is one of my favorites I’ve done so far, is stuck with that dumb edit tag, because a mod put it there and I ain’t gonna mess with a mod’s tags because I’m addicted to Derpibooru.
Also next time, if you have a complaint, please send me a note instead. I don’t appreciate you making me look bad infront of my daughter.
Please stop crediting or linking to “base” “”“artists””” that just extremely poorly massacre original art and then take (or even demand) credit for it.
I don’t know why you necroed this months old drama, but you did not, in fact, give credit where credit was due. You even removed artist:sketchyjackie’s tag.
I wasn’t talking about you, I was talking about the “base creator”.
@Grapefruit Face
Thank you for mentioning the base maker in the description, but we ask that you tag the base maker as well. Without that our own processes designed to respect the artist’s rights will not work properly. The artist’s tag, for us, is how we hook together all the copyright stuff behind the scenes.
Another advantage to adding the original artist’s tag is that it makes it easier for the original artist to see how their work is being used in derivative works. Without that, the image ‘flies under the radar’ and if they do report it then it means we have to get personally involved sending people PMs or talking to them on other sites to knit back together the copyright trail.
As for the ‘edit’ tag, on this site, ‘edit’ = ‘derivative work’. The tag Edit, for us, indicates that the work is a derivative copyright, and this is essential to both our handling all of the international issues surrounding copyright, as well as managing takedowns or resolving disputed copyright claims.
Edit indicates the work is derived from some other work and that it was not made by the original artist so there is a derivative copyright on the work. The work may be transformative, which means it may stand as its own unique copyright and can not be taken down by the original artist, but it is still an ‘edit’.
It is the same for inked or colored versions of pencil sketches. For example, ‘color edit’ is also an edit - it is generally a transformative edit - but it is derivative.
It’s like tracking a SpiderMan cover. Someone makes the sketch, someone inks it, someone colors it, someone letters it. All of those individuals create the final result. Each step along the way, each worker on the image has their own unique copyright claim. They may sign away their copyright as a part of their employment contract, but they still have a ‘copyright claim’ even if their contract for work has rendered it moot.
In this case, it appears that the copyright trail is:
All of this gets very complex sometimes, especially where there are multiple copyrights involved, so this is the policy that we have developed when working these kinds of issues.
In this case, your image is credibly a line-for-line trace of the original artist’s work. So if artist:sketchyjackie wished we would take it down. If that happened, we would also take down the base made by artist:alexa1alexa if it exists on this site.
That you used a base by artist:alexa1alexa doesn’t not really come into play - they have no copyright claim on your work, because they didn’t in any way transform what you did from the original work. In the same way, it would be very difficult for artist:culu-bluebeaver to make a successful copyright claim on your work. They still may, if they wish, but I don’t think it would be successful.
Finally, because your edit of the original work changes the characters in the image it can be considered a “Rule #1” and often we delete these. However, we have no reason at this time to suspect that artist:sketchyjackie would object to this edit, so the image has not been deleted for Rule #1.
However, it is a ‘Trace’. The tag ‘Trace’ only indicates the process by which the image was created though - and it is analogous to the ‘Base Used’ tag - we use the ‘Edit’ tag to track the copyright claims though rather than the ‘Trace’. The ‘Trace’ only indicates that it is a credible trace. Because it is a vector, it might be a ‘Color Edit’, or even an ‘OC Edit’, but in this case it seems that ‘Trace’ works since you yourself tagged it ‘Base Used’. ‘Base Used’ is what DeviantArt calls it, ‘Trace’ is what we call it. So having both tags on the image is fine.
On this site, we track all of this with the ‘edit’ tag and with the artist tags. So it’s critical to have both of those sets of tags on the image.
The edit tag doesn’t say anything about the effort you put into the final work, or the quality of it.
It only indicates that the copyright is derivative.
I am sorry that you felt it made you look bad, but in this case, they are entirely right. There was no reason to credit artist:alexa1alexa as they have absolutely no claim on your work, or on artist:sketchyjackie’s work. Their ‘base’ is literally not even a part of this discussion and you would be better to instead credit the original artist - in this case artist:sketchyjackie. In fact, I’m going to go look at what else artist:alexa1alexa has done, because based on all of this I suspect they may have some images uploaded here that arguably violate Rule #1.
2LDR: The way that this site and DeviantArt treat these kinds of issues is entirely different. On DeviantArt you have ‘base used’ and very little respect for the original work or the original artists. On this site we have ‘edits’ and ‘traces’ and the focus of our work is to ensure that the original artist’s rights are reserved without limiting the work that derivative artists may create any more than absolutely necessary or as required by each individual original artist.
Sorry for all the edits, but this is a very complex subject. It’s part of why we allow ourselves 3 days to work the process.
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Firstly, I want to state I don’t support or endorse art theifs in any way. The reason I didn’t put a link to the original image that alexa1alexa used for the base is because the link he provided was broken; meaning I didn’t know who made it or what the original was. I should’ve done a reverse image search to find out but I didn’t think of doing that (Even If I did it wouldn’t have worked because it leads to re-uploads of the base). So I just credited the base maker and called it a day.
Secondly, the reason I don’t put the original artists in the tags is because I don’t like ruining the original artist’s Derpibooru page with my crappy and cringy pictures. I thought I was doing them a solid by keeping their credits to my description. But if the mods insist I do, I’ll guess I’ll comply.
Thirdly please don’t call these edits. I put alot of effort into these. I even re-traced the base for this so It would look HQ. It took me hours to perfect this, just because I use a darn base doesn’t mean I don’t put passion and effort into each and every detail. Making sure the background looks good, making sure there are no holes or errors. Instead I put the “base used” tag or sometimes I use the “trace” tag. The edit tag is for underwear edits, re colours and memes. Not for art that uses bases. But since you kicked up a storm this image, which is one of my favorites I’ve done so far, is stuck with that dumb edit tag, because a mod put it there and I ain’t gonna mess with a mod’s tags because I’m addicted to Derpibooru.
Also next time, if you have a complaint, please send me a note instead. I don’t appreciate you making me look bad infront of my daughter.
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