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Anoncrsh

Answers plz

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Ciaran

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友情は魔法だ

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JustTheBast

@Argamis
Quite right. There are so many ways that “the rules of the world” we know from G4 could have changed, given the amount of time that passed, that it’s unreasonable to point to any one change (e.g. absence of Windigos) and call it a “plot hole”. Only someone who is emotionally invested in Equestria remaining in permanent stasis at the end of G4 would claim that none of these things could possibly have changed.

Take, for example, the question why the sun and moon apparently no longer need an Alicorn princess around to move them manually (which is pure speculation, since it’s equally compatible with the evidence to assume that an Alicorn is still doing it — just not openly in front of everypony).

Here’s a potential head-canon you can try on for size: Some time after the end of G4, Discord tells Twilight that he’s leaving for another, more chaotic dimension, because Equestria without Fluttershy isn’t interesting anymore. Twilight says, “All right, I understand how you feel. But… could you clean up after yourself, before you leave?” Discord grumps a bit, but in the end he puts the sun, moon, and planet back the way he found them, with the planet orbiting the sun, and the moon around the planet — You know, the boring way. “So unoriginal!” 😛

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Argamis

Silver Dis-Astḗr

@JustTheBast

@Wiimeiser
I could be, if they want it — But I don’t think they do.

I think they wanted the option of using anything from G4 that’s useful an/or fun to carry on into the new series, without being weighed down by the entirety of G4 lore — which had acquired the usual amount of cruft and inconsistencies you’d expect after 9 seasons; probably quite a bit more, since all the writers were freelancers working in isolation, only ever meeting up once a year for a brainstorming of raw story premises to be submitted to Hasbro.

I feel like the most useful mindset going forward is to treat all G4 lore as void and only applicable to G4, unless and until it is re-introduced to G5.

Now, I’d love to be proven wrong, and to have all my questions answered by the series or the upcoming 40-minute special. I just don’t think it’s likely, given the choices that were made in setting up this new generation, so I won’t go into the new series with expectations that are doomed to be disappointed.

We should cherish the past for what it was, but also allow ourselves to enjoy the present for what it is.

Between “future!Twilight” [FiM_S2E20], the portal(s) of Equestria Girls [EQG1:“Through the Mirror” & EQG:“Spring Breakdown”] and the whole Starlight´s Multiverse [FiM_S4E25] . . . there are already enough varied ways to “explain” everything IF you are smart & ingenious enough.

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JustTheBast

@Wiimeiser
It could be, if they want it — But I don’t think they do.

I think they wanted the option of using anything from G4 that’s useful an/or fun to carry on into the new series, without being weighed down by the entirety of G4 lore — which had acquired the usual amount of cruft and inconsistencies you’d expect after 9 seasons; probably quite a bit more, since all the writers were freelancers working in isolation, only ever meeting up once a year for a brainstorming of raw story premises to be submitted to Hasbro.

I feel like the most useful mindset going forward is to treat all G4 lore as void and only applicable to G4, unless and until it is re-introduced to G5.

Now, I’d love to be proven wrong, and to have all my questions answered by the series or the upcoming 40-minute special. I just don’t think it’s likely, given the choices that were made in setting up this new generation, so I won’t go into the new series with expectations that are doomed to be disappointed.

We should cherish the past for what it was, but also allow ourselves to enjoy the present for what it is.

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Wiimeiser

(Foil Hat)

@JustTheBast
So it pretty much is a hard reboot if not for the throwbacks.

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Harmony Gladebloom

Hooves to Hearts! /<3)

@JustTheBast
Exactly this. I can certainly see some potential for episodes about searching for Ancient Equestrian relics to help discover and piece together the past, carrying on Argyle’s life’s work, but I expect the series to largely focus on its own current world and the ponies within it. I personally hope to see a large amount of focus on the bonds and interactions between the Mane 5, and I’d even gladly watch entire episodes of nothing but them bonding together.
Friendship is Magic certainly feels like it lost its focus in the later seasons, continually expanding the world and the cast yet losing sight of the original locales and characters.

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JustTheBast

@Angrybrony
I’m pretty sure that the whole point of setting G5 so far in the future that G4 has passed from history into myth (an not even commonly known, but obscure myth), was so that they can pick and choose very carefully which — if any — bits of G4 lore they want to bring forward. Anything they don’t want to continue can easily be explained by pointing to the enormous amount of time passed and the many, many unknown events, both magical and mundane, that must have happened in that time to “change the rules”, as it were.

Given the crazy amount of “schizo tech” that G4 accrued over its 9 seasons, whenever the writers couldn’t be arsed to come up with a medieval solution and lazily plopped a modern machine in there (or an entire industrialised city), the G5 creators could easily have set an Equestria with this tech level a mere century or two after G4. The fact that they didn’t suggests to me that they want G5 to be about the G5 world and ponies and not about G4 and what happened to it.

There will probably be occasional stories involving G4 Equestria, and possibly even G4 ponies, if and when it would make a good story for the G5 characters — but at this point I do not expect the series to devote much time to explaining how G4 turned into G5. I fear that anyone who goes into the series expecting to receive those answers is only setting themselves up for disappointment.

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Edited 2 years ago because: Corrected a wrongly used term.

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TOMNICE

Hungarian G1 pony fan

We already got sexy waifus. What are you talking about?

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Angrybrony

🔥Sunset is best girl🔥

i think it’s better this way, i’d rather they leave it for the show for future hooks and stories…hopefully. i’m fine if this gen does it’s own thing for a bit.

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northern haste

Enter if you dare

@Ebalosus
The movie already had some pacing issues just trying to Explain who the characters are and their homes.
The movie would have been a complete mess if it also tried explaining what happened between generations and all the other non pony races

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Ebalosus

Build commie blocks!

@Wiimeiser

…or that spending 90 minutes to explain all that and introduce new characters, the setting, et cetera would’ve turned the movie into 90% exposition.

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JustTheBast

Sadly accurate.

Every time I hear a commenter complain that the movie didn’t feature every single species that was introduced over a span of 10 years, I want to bang my head on the desk. Go back to the G4 premiere and count how many sapient species are introduced there. Griffons weren’t introduced until several episodes into the season, Changelings weren’t even invented until Season 2, and dragons technically existed from episode 1, but apart from Spike they were just singular antagonists and didn’t have a society and land of their own until much later.

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