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I bet it was AJ, and her ‘traditional’ family values.
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Because something something the magical, invisible man who loves everyone and has a plan for everything hates them and didn’t plan for them.
What an annoying comment.
THIS is what makes people think.
oh my god
Dude… just… no.
:/
@Joseph Raszagal
IM guessing a disgruntled SMILE agent who didn’t like that a lesbian was a better agent then them.
Heh, it’s been a while since I’ve been back to this image. Hadn’t thought of that.
princples are the same thing as opinions. you saying over and over that theyre not wont change that. the thing that makes a principle even a little different than an opinion is just the scale of its importance to any given individual.
The fact that you can you “decide” your sexuality is “hard-wired” affirms the principle of choice; if it was truly “hard-wired”, you wouldn’t be in a position to consciously consider it.
Still, you’re the second person I’ve talked with about this who actually understands the principle of civility AND actually values it enough to stand by it.
It’s a huge relief to see that I’m not alone in that regard.
I appreciate the willingness to speak kindly and I really appreciate that you didn’t just slap the “INTOLERANT” label on me; something I find happens all to often these days.
So at the risk of being antagonistic, I must emphasize that I’m talking about PRINCIPLES.
Principles are what they are regardless of whether you agree with them or not (“you” being anyone), and the hard truth is that principles ARE NOT subject to opinion, and they ARE NOT the same thing as an opinion.
I apologize if I wasn’t clear with that before.
I respect your right to choose, and I respect your right to have opinions on these matters; but I have never brought up my own opinion, because I was discussing principles, not opinions.
Put bluntly:
Thank you for being nice, I wish you nothing but the best, and choice is ever-present, but so is consequence.
To pretend as such is foolish, and I won’t leave anyone behind or let them fall for that.
I myself am gay, so by virtue of our combined rhetoric (both of us, mind you), I am expected to oppose you.
But I don’t. Because things don’t always work out that way, do they? These kinds of conversations are beautifully abstract in the fact that, man, people can feel really different when trying to tackle the subject.
I don’t oppose you in any more of a way than you oppose me IRL; us being two people who have never interacted in person. It’s a complicated relationship revolving around whether or not we can accept the fact that something opposing our beliefs exists and whether or not we can reconcile the fact itself.
On my part, I do not agree with how you view homosexuality as an affront to principle, but I can understand that you are willing to look the other way as you feel that it is still my choice. In my mind, it’s not my choice, but rather a hardwired part of my being… but that’s a different argument altogether, neither here nor there. Instead, I’d like to respect the way in which you seem to view my “choice”. Even though we do not agree on the how or why my sexuality manifests itself, you’re at least willing to talk about the subject in a civil and honest fashion, relaying your opinions without being accusatory or antagonistic.
So, sure, we don’t agree. That’s a thing that will always crop up in life. We’ve all got opinions, both of us, and they’re not always going to hit that fine line and agree. But you were at least kind enough and honest enough to state it in a way that I can sort of agree with… still, just in a way.
Regardless, thanks for the mental food to chew on =) .
For values, that’s absolutely correct.
But I’m referring to principles.
Principles and values are not the same thing, since what one person values another may not.
As an example, someone who just finished a large dinner would not value a sandwich very highly, since they just ate.
But to someone who hasn’t eaten in three days, that sandwich is more valued than gold.
The principle of the matter is that a person needs food to survive.
More importantly, I value the right to choose.
While homosexuality is a very poor choice on principle, a greater principle is that people have a right to choose.
To reiterate my previous stand, I am anti-gay, NOT anti-people, and while people can make wrong choices, anyone who tries to take away that choice is at a greater fault, hence my opposition towards those that try to rob people of their liberty.
Well, just as two differing views can sometimes create conflict, there’s just as often the case wherein they do not. To build upon what I said earlier involving “Right and Wrong”, there are often instances in which two sides oppose each other in their beliefs, but do not allow that opposition to alter or effect how they would otherwise interact with each other.
In layman’s terms, this particular outcome is usually the result of either party or both parties simply ”not giving a fuck”. It’s generally a good outcome.
@Background Pony #EB19
I mean Buddhism constitutes a philosophy as much as a religion and there have been Jesuits who managed to become roshis or ‘Zen masters’, such as Robert E. Kennedy, along with at least one Sufi murshid, or teacher, who became a Zen master, namely Samuel L. Lewis, but still.
Welcome to the life of a mixed religious family. Buddhists and (some conservative or traditional, along with ‘Mainline Protestant’) Christians in my case.
And “Right and Wrong” are an abstract concept, possibly seen entirely differently by both people. One’s right could be the other’s wrong, vise versa, and it’s even possible that wright and wrong are seen in such a vastly different way between them that their beliefs don’t conflict at all; they don’t even compare on the same moral spectrum.
Very true, principles are such because they do not change, regardless of how values fluctuate with the times.
That said, there is always a choice, so even if there are only two people, they can still choose the right over the wrong.