Problem is, that image there is sexy, interesting, and unique imho. This stuff at top looks like those girls could snap if they so much as stubbed their toe.
@lackey_h
Just shows what a mind police the touchy fem/panrent movements can be. Just because a few people have complaints, the vast majority has to suffer.
@bboifatz
While not a toy company worker this kind of thing was related to my areas of study so…
Essentially the sexualized BS is pretty much the case, you only have to go back in toy history a bit to take a look at earlier Barbie dolls and the way they were designed to be more breast and hips in form (though admittedly this was achieved with ridiculously bad proportioning on the waist and legs to make the hips look wider than they were).
Anyway, it was pretty much pressure from ‘consumer groups’ (read: ‘THINK OF THE CHILDREN!’ style mothers) that really powered the design changes to what we’re used to now.
Honestly the fact is that moral hysteria terrifies toy companies so much that it takes very little, comparatively, to make them back down and start changing things based on the demands of the moral crusaders in question.
Would curvier dolls really do much damage? The answer is most likely not, but there is a worryingly high chance that they wouldn’t sell well since ultimately toy companies are not selling toys to the children but to the parents that will pay for them. It pays for them to be as inoffensive as possible until you start aiming for a target demographic that’s liable to actually have its own money.
@BrushieBrushie
I wish someone at one of these toy companies could explain for us why there is some kind of taboo about making toys for girls that are sufficiently curvy. I am sure we’d get some BS about how having wide hips and full breasts is too “sexualized,” and that somehow making girls comfortable with the idea of having wide hips and breasts is somehow worse than making them afraid to eat a healthy amount of calories.
Wow. It’s like the OP has never even heard of the major campaigns by large, mostly feminist, groups of ‘concerned mothers’ to have such media examples of overly thin females struck from existence regardless of if they are doll, animated or real.
Because clearly it’s only bronies upset with EQ to blame.
I mean shit, did the relatively recent whinefest over Disney’s ‘redesign’ (and i use the term quite loosely given next to no actual redesigning happened) of Merida from Brave completely pass OP by or something? Bronies had little to nothing to do with that and, gasp, amazingly it was pretty much theexactsamegoddamncomplaintsashere.
Because clearly there can be no other group that is anti-thin-media, no other group out there that could possibly be whining about the portrayal affecting young girls, no other group that would lay upon a vitriolic denounciation of EQ based entirely on the fact that the cast is ‘thin’.
@Derpingtonthe20th
We should teach kids critical thinking, not worry what a few impressionable ones think. Help the kids who are badly influenced, not be the mind police for everyone else.
A certain level of thinness seen as healthy is good.
Indeed, not to mention harping on how thin the dolls are will just draw attention to their build and create the very problem they’re trying to avoid
Besides, why are people suddenly becoming disgusted every time a human female character is depicted as thin? If somebody reacted this way to the character being fat people would be screaming blue murder and jumping all over the person who posted that; if it’s wrong to attack somebody for being fat of having bulky muscles it’s just as wrong to attack them for having a nice figure
This Jerry dude doesn’t quite understand the impact subtle things do have on children. Impressionable, stupid children. It sticks, and it sticks for a long time; studies do prove that it has a noticeable effect on how they view the world, and consequently how they act within it. Young girls who were specifically exposed to thin body-type dolls (in a Western environment) have been shown to eat less on average than those who were given Lego minifigures or average-sized dolls. The facts don’t lie.
While I agree that it’s wrong to teach children that being anything other than thin is wrong, I feel like EG and other cartoons are just reflective of a style preference. I doubt any child is going to see this and say, “Wow, the blue skinned teenager is thin,
why can’t I be?” If that is true, however, wouldn’t it have the same effect on skinny kids if their favorite character was fatter?
Every toy line saying it does not make it right.
And a healthy body type is all well and good but not an impossible one that causes girls to go bulimic and get depressed, sometimes manically over.
The great thing about FiM was that it left the human converted ideals of the ponies to the imagination, a lot of folk liked the idea that Pinkie would probably be a bit pudgy etc.
This is just another slap in the face to both originality and progression.
Seriously? Those hips are certainly “interesting”, but I don’t know about sexy.
Problem is, that image there is sexy, interesting, and unique imho. This stuff at top looks like those girls could snap if they so much as stubbed their toe.
Just shows what a mind police the touchy fem/panrent movements can be. Just because a few people have complaints, the vast majority has to suffer.
While not a toy company worker this kind of thing was related to my areas of study so…
Essentially the sexualized BS is pretty much the case, you only have to go back in toy history a bit to take a look at earlier Barbie dolls and the way they were designed to be more breast and hips in form (though admittedly this was achieved with ridiculously bad proportioning on the waist and legs to make the hips look wider than they were).
Anyway, it was pretty much pressure from ‘consumer groups’ (read: ‘THINK OF THE CHILDREN!’ style mothers) that really powered the design changes to what we’re used to now.
Honestly the fact is that moral hysteria terrifies toy companies so much that it takes very little, comparatively, to make them back down and start changing things based on the demands of the moral crusaders in question.
Would curvier dolls really do much damage? The answer is most likely not, but there is a worryingly high chance that they wouldn’t sell well since ultimately toy companies are not selling toys to the children but to the parents that will pay for them. It pays for them to be as inoffensive as possible until you start aiming for a target demographic that’s liable to actually have its own money.
I wish someone at one of these toy companies could explain for us why there is some kind of taboo about making toys for girls that are sufficiently curvy. I am sure we’d get some BS about how having wide hips and full breasts is too “sexualized,” and that somehow making girls comfortable with the idea of having wide hips and breasts is somehow worse than making them afraid to eat a healthy amount of calories.
Nobody said that at all.
It’s widely accepted by everyone with taste that women with some meat on them is best, that’s how you get curves.
Because clearly it’s only bronies upset with EQ to blame.
I mean shit, did the relatively recent whinefest over Disney’s ‘redesign’ (and i use the term quite loosely given next to no actual redesigning happened) of Merida from Brave completely pass OP by or something? Bronies had little to nothing to do with that and, gasp, amazingly it was pretty much the exact same goddamn complaints as here.
Because clearly there can be no other group that is anti-thin-media, no other group out there that could possibly be whining about the portrayal affecting young girls, no other group that would lay upon a vitriolic denounciation of EQ based entirely on the fact that the cast is ‘thin’.
Apparently it’s bronies all the way down.
We should teach kids critical thinking, not worry what a few impressionable ones think. Help the kids who are badly influenced, not be the mind police for everyone else.
A certain level of thinness seen as healthy is good.
>Because being rail thin is the universal and objective ideal of female perfection
Besides, why are people suddenly becoming disgusted every time a human female character is depicted as thin? If somebody reacted this way to the character being fat people would be screaming blue murder and jumping all over the person who posted that; if it’s wrong to attack somebody for being fat of having bulky muscles it’s just as wrong to attack them for having a nice figure
If you get too thin your body starts to eat its own muscles because it has no fat reserves, and bones start poking out.
very true. a good in between is best
Well I dunno about that, too extreme in one way is just as unhealthy as the other extreme.
thinner is better than fat, health wise.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, what?
claps hands No way, not going anywhere near this thing.
why can’t I be?” If that is true, however, wouldn’t it have the same effect on skinny kids if their favorite character was fatter?
Said nobody ever.
Nobody in the target audience has or ever will care about the body proportions of children’s toys.
Do you see a similar theme?
And a healthy body type is all well and good but not an impossible one that causes girls to go bulimic and get depressed, sometimes manically over.
The great thing about FiM was that it left the human converted ideals of the ponies to the imagination, a lot of folk liked the idea that Pinkie would probably be a bit pudgy etc.
This is just another slap in the face to both originality and progression.
’Nuff said.
Same with most other of those dolls.