@Background Pony #77B3
I genuinely thought we were past this point, we know it’s a pretty ridiculous thing to claim, “all cops are bastards”. That’s the point of the phrase. It’s informed by a genuinely coherent backing, the point of saying something so ridiculous (at least on first glance) is to get people to think and talk about why people would say something so broad, which then provides the basis for legitimate discussion on the interests the police serve, the analysis thereof I’ve already provided.

If all you have to say is “uhh but you look kinda dumb saying it”, you need to think for once.

@Background Pony #01B0
Lmao. No, i clearly said i just didn’t care to argue. Because frankly Derpibooru is not the place to have political discutions and i also have better things to do with my time.

And also i did explain my point pretty clearly. ACAB, like all “all x are y” statements are black and white insultingly simple viewpoints.
I can’t believe i have to explain that but even if the Police system is flawed in a lot of countries and often used as a repression tool all cops are NOT irredeemably evil peoples. Simple nuance i know but nuance is what differenciate a Thoughtful opinion from idiotic ramblings.

And using your freedom of speech to hurl insults at peoples doing their jobs doesn’t make you a epic revolutionary. It just make you look kinda lame… Really

@Background Pony #77B3
If you don’t care about the political theory surrounding it (and hence what it means), what’s your fucking point? That the people who say it look dumb? You can’t claim “ACAB and all it imply is litteraly the most ignorant base level ‘analysis’ possible…” only to disregard the analysis of the political theory behind it. If you literally cannot look past the surface level of “these people sound stupid saying something so broad and radical” then I’ve got news: you’re not thinking.

Yeah we can talk about potentially more effective rhetorical strategies, but the analysis you’ve provided is garbage.

Aaaannnddd …..
Tgis is where I leave the debate.

@Background Pony #01B0
You didn’t understand. I wasn’t talking about the political theory behind ACAB and frankly even thought i could argue i simply don’t want to for reasons that will be made obvious shortly.

What i meant is that screaming ACAB, regardless of if it’s “justified” will make you look like you have a borderline juvenile “black and white” approach to politics to litteraly anyone who know a bit about how real life work. And more often than not, it end up being the case.

I mean, i’ve been at a fair amount of protests (and in France so it’s no joke) and i swear the only peoples to yell that shit are the part-time revolutionary college students and the ghetto kids aged 16-18. ACAB and all it imply is litteraly the most ignorant base level “analysis” possible, the fact that it’s basically a trend make it worse.

@LP2Lily
Okay, your comment here is genuinely incomprehensible.

Our disagreement clearly stems from the key point: whether or not the capitalist system (that being an economic system based on market economics, private enterprise, and wage labour), needs to be overthrown. It is that question which dictates the police question, and what I’m going to ramble about now

Capitalism needs to be overthrown. It needs to be replaced by an economic system based not on dictate by private property right, but by economic democracy. The workers must control their workplaces, and must do so democratically. Socialism, in a word.

Capitalism tends towards monopoly, as eliminating competition and maximizing market share is the most profitable strategy, and hence one that wins out in the market. This provides near dictatorial control over all government with enough time. The most profitable strategies include wage cuts, rent hikes, and every means under the sun to squeeze more value from the working class, whilst providing an increasingly authoritarian form of governance. It is this working class who’s interests are not being represented by the ruling economic class, as this ruling class of large business owners base their power on exploiting wage labour.

It’s an unstable, undemocratic system which tends towards the most ruthless profiteering, and will with enough time remove humans form the production process, leaving the majority of humanity destitute. It’s not a stable system, it creates the conditions for it’s own overthrow. Hence, revolution is necessitated.

Once we recognize the need for it’s overthrow, it is clear the police, at least as they exist under capitalism, do not represent our interests. They are the enemies of the people. One day we might be able to form a better way of “keeping the peace”, but today, in the circumstances we find ourselves in, they are here to prevent revolution. Revolution is necessitated. ACAB

I think we can disagree on this peacefully. Without the freedom of private buisiness practices we would be regulated anyway. Who we serve, how we serve, and how much taxes we pay from serving our clients would be dictated by the state.

If capitalism was removed entirely no one has freedom to do their business as they see fit reguardless of size/success that buisiness has. Plus the police if kept under constitutional laws and department policies can be an affective protection of all buisness owners.

Which in turn provides oppertunity to American citicens. They in turn would have a safe working enviornment without armed robbery. Capitalism includes entreprenuars, small business’s, and large companies.

In other words?… don’t cut down the entire tree that is protecting us. Cut the branches via the dirty cops and unconstitutional policies instead.

@Background Pony #77B3
I’d have to disagree, it’s origin comes from the analysis that the police exist as an institution of the state to protect the interests of the state, which, at least under capitalism, is not in the interests of the people, but rather the ruling class of those who own large businesses and can accrue enough capital to influence the government in their favour. Hence, if our goal is to overthrow the present system, the police exist solely as a barrier to our revolutionary movement. We will always be enemies of the existing state, and thus, the police.

It’s as demonstrated in the image, if the people, in say a demonstration, prove a threat to the ruling class the state represents the interests thereof, the police, as an arm of the state, will say “disperse or be fired upon”. Police aren’t our friends, at least not in the present system and state, they’re the institution to ensure the present systems survival in the interests of the ruling economic class. Hence, ACAB.

@LP2Lily
Literally every day in the United States.

Fired upon by what? Ponies don’t use guns.

Good call, screaming ACAB honestly just make you look dumb to anyone who isnt a sheltered college kid.

Basically when China decided to slaughter a couple thousand of their own citizens. Ya know… because of protesting

It’s times like these where I feel the carnal urge to scream “ACAB!” at the top of my lungs across my balcony. Alas, I don’t want to be bullies by my neighbours