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Do you REALLY want this discussion?
_With an Anon, too?Here’s my opinion: a lot of protagonists have “Mary Sue” traits. That is, fantasies of the author (and/or audience) that lets them cheat the normal way of things to get their way and reward.
ESPECIALLY in fantasy stories like MLP too, the hero’s achievements compared their actual ability is ridiculous. Whose idea was it to send the kid with the sword to defeat the dark army?
Even if the character has ONE small positive trait, that somehow is turned into the key of beating every situation. (Evil is powerless before your pure LOVE!* Power of friendship rings a bell?)
“No…It’s impossible! How can such minty fresh breath exist? Why can’t my army of microbes harm you?”
(The heroine shall be called Germaine Phoebe.)
Of course, it is more severe some. Let’s analyze, for example, Harry potter.
Sometimes the only difference between a fan Sue and a canon one is that the canon character does not have an already established cast to steal the focus from. One could say that since this is a crucial part of a Sue, and the term originally applies to fanworks only anyway, it is impossible to write a ‘canon’ Sue. However, a canon character IMHO is still capable of doing techincally the same thing by stealing power from people who are supposed to on a higher level in the same story.
For example: a canon Sue may be sabotaging their own story by making the rest of their own core character cast seem smaller. They may constantly prove themselves better than authorities and professionals. And finally: I think that much like how you can learn much about someone by watching how he treats those below him/her, you can judge a character’s Sue-ness by how s/he acts towards complete side characters, people who live around her and so on. Does a character enjoy special privileges that others around her just don’t get, say, being allowed to skip school to go on adventures or damaging stuff/causing trouble, without apparent consquences? Is this something that the other ‘sheep’ never do or fathom? She may be more Sueish than the norm.
The same reason that the vast majority of Modern Mary Sue complaints.
The other BP’s right about one thing, the term has been so thoroughly abused that it’s gone from “An implausibly flawless character and/or an idealized stand-in for the author” to basically become short hand for “CHARACTER WHO IS NICE AND/OR POWERFUL WHO I DON’T LIKE.”
It’s a cheap buzzword that morons use to “win” arguments and it irks me to no end.
That said, BP does deserve the chance to explain why he’s making such accusations. (Even though that since this is the internet, I doubt he’ll do it in any way that sounds halfway intelligent or respectful to the opinions of others.)
|| As if I’m one to talk.||
Repetition does not make the true false, only annoying.
That being said, I would also like the other BP to support his/her argument that both pictured characters are Mary Sues.
Sweet talk… from a hypocrite like you.
@Background Pony
Show some friendship guys.
Yes it does, troll.
Really? How are they Mary-Sues? No please, tell me I would like to learn from an ignoramus like you.
That doesn’t make it untrue.
You keep saying that so often it’s lost its original meaning.