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S1E10: Parasprites destroy the barn. This is fixable, and the barn gets destroyed and raised fairly often.
S2E15: Flim Flam bros. take over the farm. This cannot be fixed by raising a barn.
Nice to know I’m not the only one
“Adolf Hitler, beloved by many around the world, was a landscape artist, communications specialist, and combat veteran who died in 1945 after being diagnosed with Parkinson’s Disease.” …is a truthful obituary, but not exactly an honest one.
Not a redemption episode, but I like the idea of an episode that teaches that sometimes, you’re gonna met people you don’t like, and sometimes you have to work with them anyway.
True, not so much a con as an aggressive business push, but using conman tactics to prey on their mark, irregardless.
And I cannot see how they cannot bring back F&F. I don’t want a redemption episode, however, but perhaps something akin to the Rarity micro, where the ponies go to some family member’s home to find them struggling for something and only in the last third find out it’s F&F behind the scenes, which they immediately help to jump on and chase out of town.
Once again, I wouldn’t so call it as much a con as it was a really aggressive business push, given that the product they were offering worked perfectly. I’m not trying to say F&F aren’t villains, but I still feel it was a misstep of character design to make them so evocative of snake oil salesman, since it’s their methods and not the products that are unethical. Then again, the whole snake oil persona was what made them so entertaining.
Slightly off topic, but do you think this episode will ever get a “Magic Duel” style sequel? The first episode left a plenty big sequel hook, considering the problem hasn’t been permanently solved, and another shortage is going to happen next year.
Yup, which is why F&F made for great conmen - they read their audience (this being the Apple family) quickly, figured who was going to be their mark, and laser-guided themselves to hit that. They pretty much ignored AJ or BM in any of their dealings.
Well, that certainly bit them in the flank this time around.
More that Granny’s the matriarch of the family, and given that Equestrian society is VERY matriarchial, AJ + BM pretty much had to go along with what Granny committeed them too.
(To mind, and no, I’ve not checked every episode to affirm, I’ve never seen AJ question Granny, and shows utmost respect for her; that was the lesson AB had learned in Family Appreciation Day)
They felt obligated to. Yes, it’s their fault, that’s how cons work. Con men don’t strongarm or outright lie, they play on confidence, goading people and playing on their weaknesses; in this case AB’s gullibility, Granny’s pride and BM and AJ being too meek to stop them, their sister and matriarch.
So, AJ and Big Mac were obligated to play along with a child and a senile old lady?
Consider how fast Granny said “use the south field!”. Okay, there technically was a bit of a Batman gambit to prey on both Granny and Apple Bloom to even consider the option of the challenge. Without that, AJ would have told them to fuck off, and the town would have been right behind her - save for RBD trying to get one last drink of cider.
But as soon as they locked the town onto their promise of lots of cider, and Granny and AB on the challenge, the plan would have worked.
Those trolls aren’t lying because they aren’t using facts at all. Or is that the point?
The matter of leverage remains.
One can very easily say the truth while hiding information and directing a conversation to where they want.
You’ve been on the internet long enough to know that the best trolls are the ones that don’t tell a lie; would you still call them “honest”?
And what about the “upfront” clarifier?
What does honest mean, if not truthful?
pffft– That gambit was kindasorta predicated on using a local supply of apples to press in the first place; Xanatos would have planned better than that.
@ClownDicks
You’re conflating “honest” with “truthful”; they’re not the same thing.
…Also, take someone with you as a spotter if you ever buy a used car.
F&F’s goal was to profit. They played a Xanatos gambit in that they had two desired results: either they partnered with the Apples, taking in 75% of the profits (which would have STILL resulted in the Apples likely having to sell the farm to FF), or they would have won sole rights by the contest (which they certainly would have won if it was just against the Apples). All they had to do to initiate the plan was show they could make cider as good as the Apples, confiding the town in them, and thus forcing the Apples to become involved.
Where they fucked up is not recognizing The Power of Friendship (TM) when Twi + the others joined in, forcing them to forgo quality for quantity.
That was always something that seemed weird to me. While they are greedy, aggressive jerks, they don’t really flimflam anyone, seeing as the machine does exactly what they advertise it to. If the flimflamming was the song and dance they did to advertise the machine, well then either the writers are completely unaware that they write for a show created to be a giant commercial, or the writers are completely aware that they write for a show created to be a giant commercial.
You’d have to ask the Apples, not me.
Wait, why is Apple Bloom being given a say in business deals?
Sure they were. But they abused Apple Bloom’s gullibility/enthusiasm and baited Granny Smith. You don’t have to be a liar to be a scammer. Plus, they were shown to take near sadistic glee in seeing the Apple family lose everything.
Except in this case, the “hucksters” were completely honest and upfront about everything.
I don’t think Celestia could afford supernatural damage insurance in a place like Ponyville.
@Haagel
What it is that is up is that they wanted to have an episode that was a big goofy homage to the kind of musical where hucksters roll in from out of town and try to rook the rubes with a shady business deal, an’ all ‘em honest local folk gots to work t’gether t’save the farm.