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WE ALREADY HAD A RAINBOW DASH VS. STARSCREAM
DEAL WITH IT!
Oh ok, thanks for clarifying that then.
It’s fine so long as you apologize. Like I said, I have no qualms with what you like or dislike at all - I just expect to be allowed to do the same. I have my reasons for my views, and my tastes, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to automatically hate something before it’s even out (unless in the cases where it’s something where we’ve seen plenty of the content before it’s out, which is a clear indicator of what the final product will be).
Well, I’m sorry if that’s how I’m coming off. That wasn’t my intention, I’m just saying I don’t agree with you that we can just jump to conclusions, and hate something before it’s even out, but whatever… As I said you can dislike things all you want, I wasn’t trying to make you out to be a monster, but ironically, now you’re trying to turn it around on me, and do the same to me, but I’m so tired of always having to defend myself, so I’m not going to bother. If you keep it up, I’m just going to end this discussion here.
I will however apologize if I did seem like I was accusing you, and making generalizations about you, that wasn’t my intent, but rereading what I said, I can see how that seems that way. I’m sorry, but from the things you said, it sounds like you wanted to justify having pre-determined notions about things, and ignored my point that people do the same to MLP, and such things you probably like.
But it doesn’t matter, we all have different tastes, and such. Once again sorry if I seemed mean-spirited.
>kinda getting to defensive there
I wouldn’t call rebutting your blanket statements of somehow painting me out to being cynical and, in your own words ‘bent on disliking everything’ just because I don’t like something you like being defensive. Again, it’s very closed-minded of you to keep insisting these things based solely on the fact that I said I didn’t enjoy the non-game content.
I never specified my reasons for my dislikes, and rather than inquire about those reasons you seem far more content to just condemn me from the getgo as some kind of ignorant hatemonger. So no, I’m not being defensive when I tell you I don’t have to like something because you do. Which is what you are essentially browbeating me about here. You’ve thusfar called me cynical, accused me of baselessly hating something, and prejudging, and ironically enough, you yourself are prejudging me with the statement ‘oh, you’ll probably hate it no matter what happens’.
Perhaps before you go around accusing other people of being closedminded, prejudging cynics you should stop and freaking read your own posts before making comments oozing with those exact sentiments.
Never said you had to like anything, (kinda getting to defensive there) it just seems like you’re being a bit cynical, and bent on disliking everything that isn’t like the Sonic games, and prejudging the series to much.
So I really don’t understand your logic about “condemning” something is the “best” option to go with everything based on so little information. (Or that we have to hate Michael Bay, and such, just because “everyone else” does.)
That’d be like how everyone assumed MLP:FiM was going to be all super-stereotypically girly, dumbed-down for kids, super-politically-correct, and such, just because the G3 show was. You can’t always judge something on “previous” things you’ve seen, or go off on so little info’.
But as you said, seeing how you don’t really like any version of Sonic really, you’ll probably dislike it regardless how it’s handled, so why should you care about “Sonic Boom” really?
Still, whatever, makes no difference to me, I don’t really want to debate it anymore. I’m willing to give “Sonic Boom” a shot. That’s my opinion, and you can hate it, and “condemn” it, and everything else you hate all you want. Frankly I enjoyed all of the other Sonic animated adaptions.
(Even a li’l of “Sonic Underground,” even though I’m not a huge fan of that one… Some parts were funny.)
It’s because of this, and because of what interviews I’ve read regarding the redesigns, that I am worried about the effect on the characters’ personalities. Call it prejudging if you absolutely must, but bracing yourself for the typical outcome when the typical outcome repeatedly occurs is hardly something to browbeat a person over.
It’s like condemning someone for expecting a Uwe Boll movie to be horribly written, or a Michael Bay flick to be offensive to every single racial demographic and gender out there. Or to expect EA to try and bleed their customers for every penny they’re worth.
These are all things that we have come to expect because all evidence points towards a repeat of the same things yet again. This has nothing to do with the Sonic Cycle in this case, but rather based on how characters animated shows in the West are handled.
Yeah, I guess ‘cause it’s well-known for being so negative. (Thanks to people like Nicochi & Richard Kuta.)
Actually, in every fandom, there will be always a group hates and/or bash everything before coming out, so I dont know why Sonic fandom is so special with that concept.
It’s really nothing new with the Sonic fanbase actually… I see Sonic fans bash things before they come out all the time.
After all, they don’t want to be fooled by the so-called “Sonic cycle.”
I admit, I don’t love every Sonic game, and such either… But I don’t judge the entire series on say Sonic2006.
And people is starting to hate it before the premier. Why this reminds me to the hate for a certain movie about a pony going to human universe, before the premier?
Yeah, that was my point, we still don’t know much about “Sonic Boom,” or what it’ll be like. I actually like Eggman’s new outfit to, and how he still flies around on his Egg Mobile. (Or “Egg-O-Matic” as it used to be called.)
We need to wait until Sonic Boom premier. Today, we only know about Sonic personality and a little of Tails. I loved that Eggman is still the same like the videogames and other series.
I meant, “I hope they don’t turn Amy.” I hate it when I leave entire important words out.
(Why do I always do that? Do I have whole-word dyslexia, or something?)
I don’t know for the most part the game canon is just “Sonic & friends must stop Dr. Eggman’s latest scheme, and stop him from getting all the chaos emeralds,” or some variant for the most part.
Aside from a li’l backstory for Knuckles, Shadow, the emeralds, and such alot of the “canon” in the games is very vague for other characters, including Sonic himself.
Much like Super Mario, there’s no official backstory where Sonic comes from, who he is, who his parents/family are, and such.
Not saying that’s a bad thing, because it allows the AU canons (like the comics, TV shows, and stuff) to take some liberties, and do unique things with the character. It also allows gamers/fans to have their own backstory for Sonic, as well if they wish.
And I’m with Shadow, I think you’re kinda judging “Boom” without even giving it a chance. (And no offense, but you seem quite close-minded. Especially, sense you can only accept the game canon, as the only “good canon.” But as I said to each their own.)
Though, admittedly one thing I will agree with you on, is I hope they turn Amy into some typical “cool action feminist girl” like they did in the British “Fleetway/Sonic the Comic” canon. She almost stops being Amy when she was like that.
I kinda prefer silly/cutesy, yet still occasionally strong-willed/brave Amy.
So, you hate Sonic Boom because you think they will have a personality similar to their redesign, that maybe you only believe?
You are judging them without knowing about them.
The games have plenty of canon - it’s just that the Western side botched the canon and made it hard to follow. It’s only recently that they’ve actually been trying to repair that bridge. Heck, if you read the Japanese manuals for the old Genesis games (Sonic 3 & Knuckles in particular), you’ll find that there’s a very clear connection between the Genesis games and Sonic Adventure 1.
And I dislike Sonic Boom precisely because the redesigns are following the typical ‘their looks are their personality’ facet. Meaning that Knuckles is more than likely going to just become an even bigger brute/bruiser type and just serve as plain muscle, and if the trailer for the game is anything to go by, they’ll be alotting Amy the ‘lone female teammate’ treatment, meaning that she’s going to be smarter, wiser and more level-headed than all of the ‘dumb boys’.
To each their own. Honestly, I don’t really think the games (while I enjoy them) have much “story,” “canon,” or “continuity” besides the Sonic Adventure games. (And even some things aren’t consistent in those. Like Eggman destroying half the moon in SA2, but then in the Shadow solo-game that takes place after it, the moon is undamaged, and whole with no explanation.)
Even some character personalities to seem to change from game to game slightly. Like one game, Knuckles is this cool brooding badass, and the next a tough/cool, yet slightly dumb bruiser. (Heck, Tails doesn’t even seem like a li’l kid much anymore at times.)
Which I guess is ok, they don’t have to always be the same thin. While I like story, and cinema scenes as much as anybody, the games should focus on having good gameplay, and leave the story-telling to the comics, or TV shows, I feel.
Also, how can you dislike Sonic Boom when it’s not even out yet, or when we hardly know anything about it? (Besides the redesigns made to differentiate it from the games.)
That’s like hating MLP:FiM without ever seeing it.
I only like the game-canon, myself. I dislike Sonic X, and Archie/SatAM, and Underground, and I also dislike Boom.
I have my own reasons for disliking each, and none of them have anything to do with one another.
Yeah, I also don’t get why some Sonic fans act like you can only love one official Sonic canon. Like I see Game-canon-purists bash the cartoons/comics for being a li’l different. Or say, SatA.M. show fans who bash the modern games for not having characters from that show in them, or even the comics for having some game things in them. As well as “Sonic X” fans bashing the previous shows, and such.
(I must add, it’s rather ironic that SatA.M. fans are bashing the comics lately, or saying they want them to end… Considering they’re the only canon left keeping the beloved SatA.M. characters around still.)
Honestly, I kinda like all the official Sonic canons. (Except for maybe STC, and not so much Sonic Underground.)
I’m actually glad the upcoming “Sonic Boom” series is going to be a brand new canon/AU separate from the games. Would be nice to see some game things/characters adapted, but being a different canon also might give it’s makers more freedom with the series.
With 5 TV shows, Sonic seems to have more TV shows then any other video game character. (Aside from all the Poke’mon ones, but I just consider each one like a different “season” to one huge long-lasting show.)
Pretty much. It’s the equivalent of taking the MLP TV show from the 80’s~90’s era and usings its canon for FiM. Makes no sense, is totally seperate, and thus ultimately irrelevant to the discussion.
You don’t see Sonic fans going ‘Oh yeah? Well G3 Rainbow Dash can’t even fly so how can she even achieve a Rainboom, huh?’
Yeah, while the comics did adapt some events/characters from the games, (recently they adapted Professor Pickle a favorite NPC of mine) it’s a totally different canon.
Same goes for Sonic X, even though it adapted some events/things to, but I still see some fans confuse “Sonic X” as the same canon as the games. (Regardless of the fact, SX has alot of characters/backstory different from the games. Even the “Tornado” plane after it’s “upgrades” is very different from the one in the games.)
For more details on the matter, you can check out the content on Sonic Retro, which has the Japanese manuals and the likes translated:
info.sonicretro.org/Miles_Prower#Origin_of_Tails