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Again:
If people feel that ‘x’ is too much for a piece of art, then they’ll go and spend their money elsewhere.
@Krucification
No such thing as objective value. ALL value is subjective, thus you cannot dictate to people how much you think are should cost. If you are an artist whom wants to charge $500 for a commission, then go ahead, that’s your prerogative; but don’t get upset if nobody wants to pay you that much for a commission.
It all depends on the demand for the particular artist, the medium they are using, and the detail.
Hyperrealistc, professional level, highly detailed art that looks like it could have been hung on the wall or a screenshot from a movie would be worth more than a simple colored and inked picture for instance.
You can get a 3 second gif for $50
Then tell me, my silly friend, since you seem like such an expert, how much much should a piece of art cost?
I’m not saying artist’s should start charging the Industry Standard
Oh, of course not. You were just implying that they could charge the industry standard- and get it- but for some reason choose not to.
What I’m saying is that people who whine about the current Fandom prices are silly,
Oh, that’s right- I forgot the part where you just casually insulted everyone who doesn’t value drawings as highly as you do. Thanks so much for reminding me.
because, for the most part, the stuff they’re usually commissioning is usually worth about $100-$500 or so dollars more than what they’re actually paying.
I’m not saying artist’s should start charging the Industry Standard. What I’m saying is that people who whine about the current Fandom prices are silly, because, for the most part, the stuff they’re usually commissioning is usually worth about $100-$500 or so dollars more than what they’re actually paying.
If you want prices to be “fair,” than the artist should probably add a couple $100 or so onto the asking price.
See, the problem with that argument is that it assumes the artist could get an industry job in the first place.
If they can’t, they obviously don’t merit the wages of an industry-grade artist, and if they can- well, why the fuck are they doing furry porn?
I think commercial buyers would pay the industry standard and up, not sane human beings. If every artist charged the industry standard, then hell, more people might instead, learn how to draw and artists who do commissions might lose money, I dunno just a scenario that could be possible.
Like the person who drew my OC did a pretty good job and I told her I would give her 15$ for it after I got my paypal account setup and she said it was nothing.
I do wonder if many furry artists wouldn’t make more money if they lowered their prices, and then explicitly accepted tips. Not all of them, obviously. Some could probably make more money if they just raised their prices. And some probably wouldn’t earn any tips. (There may also be a price point below which you’d just attract cheap bastards who wouldn’t tip.)
Well fuck them, then. :I
I imagine you’d be shocked how many people actually do EXPLICITLY say “I deserve artwork for a lesser price.”
You can sell anything for as much as you want, and others can disagree. I doubt people are saying, “I deserve artwork for a lesser price” they’re more like “it’s my money, I would not be willing to pay that much for what you’re offering.”
Likewise, if the number of commissions he receives at this price were too low, he would lower the price, increasing the demand for his art.
I dunno man, think of the papercuts…
Price per hour isn’t the end-all and be-all of charging for commissions, as skill plays a huge role in how much is a fair price, but I think it’s a useful starting point. Atryl probably spent about as much time on this drawing >>276292 as an inexperienced artist would spend on a simple headshot like this one >>542413, but it’s fair for Atryl to charge more because, due mostly to much practice, he’s able to get more detail in a drawing in the same amount of time. (Personally, I’d say %$7 would be a fair price for that Rarity portrait, and %$30 would be fair for that Atryl drawing.)
I just think that, if an artist is good enough that I want their artwork, roughly $10/hour is the minimum I’d look at paying, with that rate increasing based on their skill and other factors.
And i agree that 50$ is pretty much for simply fucking a picture.
Time and experience is valuable. If you don’t want to pay the asking price, go ask someone else for their time. Never demand someone else lower their prices. They set their prices where they are for a reason.
How much per hour is the wrong comparison. If I can turn out the Sistine Chapel ceiling in a day, is my work worth more or less than someone who takes a week to give you a Garfield comic strip?
A professional assassin would probably charge you $10,000 or more for one shot. Assuming you wanted to commission me to shoot something for you, it would be unreasonable for me to demand even $50 from you. Not because I’m not as good as the professional (I’m far better than most). But because I don’t have $10,000-a-shot counter-offers for my leisure time from people other than you. Because it’s my hobby and if you don’t pay me $50 I’m still going to put precision holes in targets for $0. Because the fun I have doing it is worth more to me than the $50 you might pay me to do it. Because I’m doing it as a hobby and the stakes are lower; if I don’t get around to shooting a hole in a picture of Gilda for you by next Thursday, it doesn’t result in your soon-to-be-ex-wife getting half of your billion dollar estate. The assassin’s bullet isn’t worth $10,000 because it’s more work or risk for him to put it in your wife than it is for me to put mine in a piece of paper. The assassin’s bullet is worth $10,000 only because he has people who will pay him $10,000 to shoot it.
I’m not saying if you offered me $50 to shoot some holes in your piece of paper instead of mine that I’d turn it down. Or that it would be unreasonable for me to even ask you to pay for the piece of paper and bullets. If you knew that I was doing it because I couldn’t afford to come to EverfreeNW without a few generous souls “ponying up” $50 for my nominal payback in shot targets, it would be kind of you to pay my asking price. If I’m swamped with commissions even at $50, and turning down your “more reasonable” offer of $10 means I have time for someone else who actually will pay me $50, then you’re effectively asking me to pay you $40 on top of putting holes in something for just $10. But if I’m just some hobbyist who’s putting holes in targets for my own amusement all the time, and once in a blue moon someone does offer me $50 to do it, it’s just found money and not something to which I’m entitled. That said, if I ask for $50, and you see I’m still sitting there shooting holes in paper for free, it’s not an insult to say you’ll give me $10 to do it because it’s $10 more than I’m getting anyway. It’s also not an insult for me to say no, I really do mean $50 if you want me to shoot what you want instead of whatever I feel like. Or for us to bargain it to $25. Or for us to part happily while you keep your $50 and I keep shooting my own favorite targets.
tl;dr version, the artist can ask whatever they want, the customer can offer whatever they want, and if they can’t come to an agreement on price they can just agree to amiably part ways. Neither one is entitled to get their first asking price, unless they’re both happy with it.