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Her reasons for why Pinkie was wrote the way she was in that episode.
Well, in all fairness, people completely disregarding what was said at the end of “Bats!” in order to justify saying that building a sanctuary will bankrupt Sweet Apple Acres is just the latest in a long string of frustrating actions from various vocal minorities in the fandom. The straw that broke the camel’s back, so to speak.
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…I actually accept this explanation…
>That happens with every single character in this show, to be perfectly honest.
I believe you’re right, but I’ve always been baffled by the vitriol towards Fluttershy in particular. Some people have long hated her merely for her personality, and that’s a pretty sad report on people’s attitudes if you ask me.
As for your other comment, no, you’re probably right about that. We won’t be seeing eye to eye on it any time soon.
“ it seems to me that some people are simply out to try and tear up the image of a nice character with whatever ammunition they can find, however absurd the premise.”
That happens with every single character in this show, to be perfectly honest.
“If anyone has way too much emphasis on her and the tendency for things to go her way, it has to be Twilight Sparkle. I don’t follow the notion that she’s the show’s “main character,” not when it was originally framed as an “ensemble comedy”.”
…I’m not going to argue with you on this one. We’ll just cover the same points we’ve beaten to the ground countless times before, and none of our thoughts on the matter will change.
I don’t really agree with the idea that Fluttershy isn’t knowledgeable about the bats and about farming in general, but I will certainly grant that questions regarding the story being contrived are not completely unfounded.
My beef isn’t that kind of critique; it’s the “How dare Fluttershy, she hates her friends and puts wild animals’ lives above theirs!” kind of stuff that strikes me as completely ridiculous. Speaking of biases, it seems to me that some people are simply out to try and tear up the image of a nice character with whatever ammunition they can find, however absurd the premise.
But more directly to your point, I actually don’t think that the writers are prejudiced in Fluttershy’s favor. If they were, my opinion is that they’d take her a little more seriously, and not treat her like a malleable gag whose personality changes to suit the present need for some joke or other.
And if they are unduly skewing events for Fluttershy’s sake, you sure wouldn’t know it by how many times they’ve written up a situation where she’s been brought to tears. And that emotion was not unreasonable on Fluttershy’s part, either. She’s been bullied and screamed at, publicly embarrassed, harassed by her friends, shamed in print, and she even thought she saw one of her closest companions crushed to death right in front of her. To make matters worse, most of the time no one is even shown to be comforting her in those times of her greatest need except her pets.
If anyone has way too much emphasis on her and the tendency for things to go her way, it has to be Twilight Sparkle. I don’t follow the notion that she’s the show’s “main character,” not when it was originally framed as an “ensemble comedy”.
But yeah, toys. Can’t escape the fact that the bottom line is the bottom line, I suppose.
For me, it’s not that she’s done anything wrong; it’s that she did everything absolutely, perfectly right despite not knowing everything about the bats and her not being a farmer. I currently believe Fluttershy is being built up out of possible bias and possibly to sell toys (upcoming Breezies line associated with her).
It’s somewhat similar to what’s going on here, I believe.
I’m not really sure what you mean by “throwing out what was established in the episode,” so I’ll give you an example of what I’m talking about.
In “Over a Barrel” when the Buffalo said they respect dragons, that connection was the entire reason initial contact between the conflicting sides even took place, allowing the episodes conflict to emerge and then resolve. Now, there’s absolutely no reason not to believe such is the case, that these buffalo respect dragons, but considering the implications and situation, it came off as a means to continue the plot, and felt more like a cheap cop-out in the episode’s writing than a development for the episode. Nothing established gets “thrown out.”
In any case, both your Discord and Twilicorn examples are non-starters. By qualifying with “what we felt wasn’t justified by the writing,” the argument ignores structured plot developments which built and support each of those events happening, spanning three episodes in the case of Discord, and implicit developments during the entire 64 episode run up to the season 3 finale with explicit developments starting in season 3 in the case of Twilicorn.
To say that Discord’s reformation and Twilicorn are baseless and without support from the writing would be a false statement. And honestly I hope you are just trying to play devils advocate here and not expressing Twilicorn butthurt.
And in accordance with site rule #0, have a nice day.
Actually, that comment is better directed at @InvaderSplooge.
The problem with that mindset is that it stereotypes people who have even minor issues with the direction of the show and encourages hivemind thinking.
That’s the trouble with vocal minorities; they make the whole fandom look bad, even though they are, of course, the minority.
Usually when I say I hate certain things about the fandom, I usually try to word it so that I’m not lumping the whole fandom into that category, i.e. phrases such as “some of the fandom,” “certain members of the fandom,” etc. Sometimes I use the word “most” even though it’s actually not “most” of the fandom, though.
>”Bloody hell. I hate this fandom”
Why must you base your entire view of the fandom on these two guys? You should know the most vocal ones are the people with something negative to say. In reality, most fans don’t give two craps about these supposed “writing flaws”. Two people don’t speak for an entire fandom. We’re not some singularity.
Bloody hell. I hate generalization.
I love how much I can agree with all of that.
@Muffen-Man
So we’re just throwing out what was established in the episode because we felt it wasn’t justified by the writing. I guess we can throw out Twilight’s coronation and alicornification by that reasoning, too. And if some people think that Discord’s reformation wasn’t given sufficient motivation, hey, what’s to stop them from thinking he really hasn’t reformed?
Bloody hell, I hate this fandom.
“Random threatening actions in season 3?” Not sure what you’re referring to…
That’s typically the definition of ‘Invasive’.
Yes, and as you say, because of poor writing.
Think of it this way: Fluttershy wanted to, in essence, reform the vampire fruit bats behavior much to the same tune as Discord (albeit with different methods) so that AJ wouldn’t have to weigh risks vs rewards, she’d be fine with conceding the sanctuary if Fluttershy could convince them not to ruin the farm.
However, as hopeless as it seemed with Discord’s reformation, at least she was able to communicate with him. She admitted to having no way of even communicating with the vampire fruit bats, throw in the fact that they were already an overtly hostile element, and it would seem the task would be impossible.
At the end of the episode, though, it was almost as if the status quo had been deus-ex machina’d; with no explanation as to why, the bats understood AJ and AJ understood the bats. Everything was fine despite the lack of anything showing that this conclusion was even being worked towards let alone progressing for better or worse. Technically the resolution is accepted by critics, but for good reasons it isn’t well received.
Considering how many of them there were, that they aren’t normally there, and how fast the damaged the orchard, I’d call them invasive.
When was it established that Vampire Fruit Bats were ‘invasive’? An animal doesn’t have to be invasive to damage crops, just numerous.
There were no benefits to keeping them around at the end of the episode. If the spell had worn off, they would just go back to being a threat to the Apple’s livelihood, since it takes a really long time for trees to actually grow, and those bats ate a lot of apples in a really short time. If the spell doesn’t wear off, then Applejack’s spending money out of her own pocket to care for animals she doesn’t even want around.
So, even Applejack concedes the long-term benefits of having the sanctuary at the end of the cartoon, but the fans don’t.
It’s like people think they can ignore the fact that, in universe, everything ended up OK, because it was poorly explained how things ended up OK.
@Inkan1969
Hopefully by realizing that the ragers are going overboard; I’d hate for her to sour on working for the show because of the reactions of the vocal minority.
Which are both terrible morals. While killing them shouldn’t always be your first choice, neither should allowing them to keep feeding on your produce until you’re completely bankrupt.
Point: Mayojar77
I’d go so far as to say a capacity boost is far from necessary to the point where considering the short-term consequences of the vampire fruit bats far outweigh their long-term benefits. We haven’t even seen the entirety of Sweet Apple Acres let alone be lead to the conclusion that it’s capacity is anything but vast.