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(gives Luna all my Bits in exchange for the blessing)
I also feel I should stress if I not saying if I hadn’t: That Romans couldn’t distinguish between Jew and Christian so when they initially banned them both from the city of Rome for instigating violence in Rome between themselves they did so possibly on the mindset they’re both one the same. So they got kicked out of the Roman center of the world.
I can’t find any references to or sources regarding religiously-fueled violence against other religious group during the era of Rome or the regional powers. Circumstances of violence and warfare against independent groups - especially in pre-Roman Europe by Rome itself - are more often framed as the general politcal practice of Rome in which individual generals were expected to expand Roman dominion in foreign territory, both to give them favor in the city of Rome itself and to provide land for the soldiers under their command as per pensions provided for military service.
The Romans were a primarily polytheistic Empire and were accepting of a wide-range of cults. For the most part the Roman social sphere even traded cults and gods like fashion and drifted between them on the era. There was a period late in the pagan era where the court was practically worshipping only one God of the pantheon. It was also this environment Christianity developed and competed with the cosmopolitan pop-cults.
But in the Empire itself ‘persecution’ of religion was most often carried out on political pretenses than religious zeal. People weren’t killed because they were inferior Christians but because the Empire and the Senate saw some sort of civil danger in them, or danger towards the imperial state. And there was maybe only three groups actively persecuted by Rome: The Bachannates (followers of the Roman wine god) for probably severe drunkness at their festivals, the druids because they were feared to practice human sacrifice which was abhorrent and illegal in Rome, the Jews because they loved to rebel against Rome and were seen as a means to undermine stability, and the Christians because for a good while they were thought of as just another Jewish cult.
In the case of the Christians at least too enforcement of repression and persecution against them was whimsically sporadic and ad-hoc. The Empire itself didn’t really care much that they existed and action against them was in the hands of and whimsy of the magistrates and local authorities. Trying to root them out wasn’t nearly as severe as the followers of Bacchus where most often they were straight-up murdered.
Christian-Roman violence against Paganism was more on the order of Constantine the Great who had converted the Empire to Christianity. But when he died that all loosened up and the Pagans were again in the realm of tolerance. And from then Europe develops the sort of relationship with pagans as they had in the Dark Ages: like an atheist in the fifties (tolerated, but don’t speak it).
If I’m correct the post I answered to was referring to Roman time. Prove me wrong, but I’m pretty sure back then pretty much every religion tried to exterminate the others.
Not necessarily. If we’re defining “back then” as something like the middle-ages then hard-core antisemitism only regularly arose around moments of negative stress; ie: the Black Plague. However the Kingdom of Poland was at the time incredibly pro-Jew and became the ultimate goal of resettlement for Jewish refugees fleeing the rest of Europe because of persecution around the blame of the Jews spreading the Black Plague. Of course the Jews weren’t the problem and once they got into Poland they pretty much ended up lessening the effect of the Black Plague to the point it was a non-issue in Poland because the Jews believed in regularly bathing and they brought that to Poland.
The Mongols were also pluralistic in belief and in Persia favored Judaism.
You could postulate that the concept of nationalism and self-awareness of the community as brought by the European Enlightenment is the point where anti-semetism as well as general intolerance reached a righteous fury. You also have at this period very bloody and drawn out wars between Christian movements.
@achy
Of course they were anti-Semitic. At that time pretty much everyone who wasn’t a Jew was anti-Semitic, because all the religions constantly bashed heads. The idea to tolerate other religions didn’t come up until much, much later.
No Monday
shh… shh.. be indifferent to it and pretend it doesn’t exist. It will all go away faster that way.
Oh c’mon, controversy is nothing “new” on this site. :P
Fuck you, Derpibooru.
@achy
Just want to point out for others most Christians nowadays aren’t anti-semetic, (some even support Israel, Jewish charities, have Jewish friends, or even follow some Jewish practices, and such) and some of said Christians or Catholics who were/are, (especially back then in the olden times) were rather ignorant. (Especially, to the fact that Jesus was a Jew. Which makes it rather ironic.)
In fact, Christians didn’t always have it easy in history either, Romans used to feed them to lions, got jailed for having a Bible, and such. So it’s not like Christians “always had it easy,” or are “always the only ones causing trouble,” or are “never victimized,” like other people were.
I’m Christian, and I actually do have a li’l Jewish ancestry on my Mother’s side.
The “darn” above is to indicate that the Christians were anti-Semitic.
Long story short, Monday is traditionally the second day of work of the week.