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Most people are probably a lot more bi than they’d be willing to admit; one of the best things Kinsey ever did– and he did a lot of great things to advance the understanding of human sexuality– was to codify the “Kinsey Scale”, positing that attraction to the same and/or opposite gender exists on a sliding scale with most people somewhere between 100% hetero and 100% homo.
I think the basis for most of the ridiculous denial of the existence of bisexuality– and homos are just as prone to it as heteros– is the same “doth protest too much” basis of homophobia in general.
Mmhm.
My remark about bisexuality in the animal kingdom (as it has been documented by biologists and the greater scientific community, not so much pet owners or anything like that) was again primarily made to underline the fact that it is a “real thing” that exists and is much more prevalent and widespread than many people think, naturally in pair-bonded animals outside merely dominance displays and the like and yes, also in humans as an extension of that point. Because again, I have seen many times that when people suggest bisexuality as an option (for pony characters’ preferences in this case) way too many people try to wave it off as if it’s something that is never realistically a factor or an option, when it definitely can be, it does exist. Furthermore people and animals with bisexual tendencies sometimes swing between preferring one gender over another at different point in their lives, so it’s not like suddenly preferring males or females is outside the realm of possibility for an individual in question.
It’s been understood since Kinsey first highlighted it that the actual occurrences regarding anything related to sex are going to be higher than polled numbers on the subject because of reluctance to admit to behavior that society deems unacceptable, even in polls where anonymity is guaranteed. Whatever the currently-accepted estimates of “non-straight” are, the real numbers are most certainly higher than that.
I’ve always thought it was a mistake to try to draw too many correlations between animals and people, given how complex an issue human sexuality is and how driven by instinct– much of it relating more to dominance display than emotion, or even sex– animals are. When your female dog starts humping another female dog, it’s not Twoo Wuv, it’s one of the ways that dogs in packs reinforce the pack hierarchy. It’s still possible– there’s a stallion and a gelding on a neighbor’s land who are totally a couple, even though any sort of sex or sexual display ain’t happenin’– but there’s a definite tendency (especially among “pet parents”) to anthropomorphize animals by ascribing to them human motivations which do not actually exist.
Yeah numbers vary depending on the study but conservative figures are that 3.5 to 10.1% of the population is “not straight”. Actual numbers likely run higher as you say when considering how many people might not be willing to admit their orientation, and if you’re factoring curiosity and questioning into that as opposed to full-time identity or lifestyle, maybe.
I didn’t mean humans were less likely than animals to be non-hetero by my comment. Like I said, I have many friends in the LGBT community. It came to mind mostly because I’ve seen a lot of people try to argue that while homosexuality may be real and valid legit bisexuality is actually something of a myth, extremely uncommon and/or looked down upon by straight and homosexual people together, which in my experience is not at all true. Because, as I said even among animals in the natural world it occurs very frequently.
I think you’ll find that the number of people who are (aware of being) “not straight” (gay, bi, anything that isn’t traditionally within the tiny box that is 100% undeniably straight) is actually quite high, especially if you consider the very slight curiosities. When you consider that those numbers are only those willing to admit it or who have actually entertained the idea, the actual number is likely higher.
So don’t think that such things are only common among (lower) animals, since such thoughts are pretty intrinsic to our nature and being intelligent would likely only allow one to hide such things, rather than actually not have them.
Long story short, we’re really not all that different from the rest of the animal kingdom in that regard, at least at the deepest level. (Getting rid of social conditioning)
Plus lets face it, being bi probably has its perks xD
The funny thing is bisexuality is actually extremely common among animals. Not that ponies aren’t more “human” than anything in terms of their intelligence, behavior, society and so on, but it’s an interesting thing.
They’re all bi, problem solved _
I know that. I didn’t say she shot down the possibility that Dash could actually be a lesbian (or straight), but she didn’t like people basing the assumption on Dash’s physical appearance just because that fed into the common stereotype. The truth is people involved with the show have chosen to not assign sexual orientations for the characters when asked about it, which while not exactly encouraging (I still doubt they’d go in a direction of homosexual relationships) is at least better that outright shutting the possibility down.
The clarification’s appreciated. Not even so much for me but because I’d hate to see another pointless debate over ships pop up here.
First of all Lauren Faust left that question open shut. Never once did she out right confirm nor denied what fans think of Dash or any of the other ponies.
Second of all, I must apologized for not making my statement about Appledash sarcastic. I was merely joking. Considering how I had just mention about how everyone should just enjoyed whatever ship they shipped because it’s all about our own fantasy.
I think he was referring to Lauren Faust’s stated desire to break stereotypes with the show. She very much objected to people’s asking or assuming that Dash was a lesbian just because she was a tomboy who happens to have rainbow hair.
As for Rarijack one could just as easily argue that it is “the superior ship” because they are close friends and desire each other’s company in spite of the fact that they clash so much (in other words they are willing to put aside their differences to spend time together), while AJ and Dash are more friendly rivals who spend most of their screen time together trying to one-up each other. If you prefer AppleDash that’s fine, but don’t state it like a fact that it’s better because this is a matter of opinion, not fact, and there’s no reason to provoke ship vs. ship arguments on a shipping fanart like this.
The only “message” this show have been conveying from the very beginning, is friendship. Sure the show it’s self can toy with the idea of possible relationship; such as Twilight and Flash. But the core thing this show have been running on is the platonic relationship of having friends.
As much as we want our favorite ship to happen; chances are due to the fact that some how this world still isn’t ready for an open gay parring in cartoons that have a PG rating or lower, It will never happen.
So allowed everyone to continue fantasying about their favorite ship.
On an unrelated note, Appledash is the superior ship because their chemistry isn’t base on city folk meets country bumpkin. The reason why Rarity and Applejack personalities bounces off of each other so well because it’s easy comedy. This type of shtick been done to death.
Tomboys can be lesbians though, so it would seem wrong to exclude the possibility for that reason. To exclude it for that reason seems just as bad, especially given that would now bring the stereotype of a lesbian couple having a butch and femme (i guess those are the popular terms).
Jesus Christ. It has nothing to do with my “OTP” even if I do ship this. If the show wanted to canonize AppleDash or something I would still support it because yeah, social progress needs to happen, and in the long run the pairing of fictional characters is irrelevant, if it means changing attitudes towards homosexuality.
That having been said, I know it is an old argument but the fact that thus far Rarity has shown romantic interest only in males does not have to mean she is straight. I have many gay friends, and have personally known more than one person who had gone through life “straight” (being married to a het partner and in two cases even having children) only to “discover” later in life that they were gay, and by that I mean they finally decided to open up and be honest with themselves and others what their real orientation had been all along, now that society has at least moved forward to the point that being gay isn’t (in some cases literally) a crime and wouldn’t basically guarantee being completely ostracized. This is actually not that uncommon with many LGBT people of older generations as they grew up believing they had to conform to social standards if they wanted to have any kind of chance at a good life and so denied their true selves, and even outside of my circle of friends I have known many people who have similar stories (I worked with a lady whose ex-husband had suddenly “come out” after more than a decade of marriage for example) so yeah. Sometimes it’s as simple as people “putting on a front” and not coming out because they are afraid of being judged (and as we know from the show and comics being judged and rejected is something that Rarity is very much afraid of), sometimes people actually do not realize their orientations until they suddenly develop feelings for someone of the opposite gender and lastly, yes there is just the possibility she could be bisexual.
So yeah, maybe just because of who I have known and what I’ve seen in my life I personally feel Rarity’s sexuality is not a barrier to such a pairing, and in the end it doesn’t really matter because the likelihood of Hasbro allowing any non-hetero relationship in canon in basically zilch. But I still enjoy Rarijack as a result of their chemistry and all of their interactions in canon… half the time they behave almost like a couple already and I think it’s cute.
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Eeeyup.
Correction, Rarity is canonically interested in stallions, there is no indication as to whether or not she likes mares as well. She could very well be bi ;)
I think it’s more that they’re superficial opposites; they are literally a “town mouse country mouse” pair in that they have obvious traits that contrast with obvious traits of the other, but then they do share some core values. So while their interests are very different, their value system is similar enough that they can relate to each other
I’m not sure in this case if it’s a matter of the real world not moving forward. Rarity has been straight from the very beginning of the series. All her crushes have been men. For her to suddenly go gay for Applejack would not make any sense, no matter how cute they may be.
Does a lot of the media treat homosexuality like something that doesn’t exist? Yes, and that’s a problem.
But is Rarijack never going to happen because of the lack of gay characters in the media? No. It’s not going to happen because Rarity is canonically straight.
Regardless, feel free to ship as you please. Just remember that sometimes the big bad media censorship machine is not the one preventing your OTP from happening.
Rarity and Applejack get along very amicably just as much if not more in the show than they fight. They do bicker a lot but in spite of it they seem to enjoy each other’s company, as they spend a lot of time together and even just one on one.
Anyway this is cute. I’d love to see something like this happen in the show, even though it’s so unlikely. The world really needs to move forward.
Well it’s cute regardless.