@Background Pony #8314  
Agreed. If people want others to respect them for liking Pony, then maybe they should respect others for liking other things like Sonic.
 
Plus, as I said before honestly it looks really ironic to me seeing people who love a children’s TV show trying to “shame” others for liking a children’s video game series.

Well, this is 2-month-old drama and hardly worth stirring up. Still, there’s one thing that I think could stand to be said here.
 
Respect is a two-way street. If you don’t give any, then you should expect to receive none.

@PrincessFutamoon  

 
I’ve seen some pretty good Sonic fanart, and fan-creations before. Besides every fanbase has good/bad fan-creations.  

 
I can think of another series/fanbase also guilty of that… :P  

 
Some ex-bronies say that about MLP:FiM/Hasbro to…  
Also, it’s debatable that Sega/Sonic “doesn’t preform,” as there have been some recent Sonic games that did get good reviews, and were well-accepted. (“Sonic Colors,” and “Sonic Generations” for example.)  
In fact, honestly I even liked a few so-called “crappy” Sonic games like “Sonic Heroes,” and the “Shadow” game personally, regardless of their flaws.
 
Anything else?

r34 is not bad. badly drawn anything is bad. horrible recolored badly drawn oc’s are worse/bad.  
you know what else is bad? fanboying for a brand name that doesn’t perform.

@AROC  
They make lots of porn then. That’s bad… How?

@AROC  

 
Ahem, some of us “Sonic fans” don’t even draw R34… (And I’ve seen Sonic fans make some cool cleaner things to.) Also, some Sonic fans & gamers in general, have donated to charities, as well. So while I applaud bronies for helping sick kids, and such, they’re not the only/first fanbase to do that.
 
I know I’m kinda repeating myself, but can we kinda ease up with the whole “bronies good, and Sonic fans bad” thing? Some of us bronies ARE Sonic fans to, and we’re people to.
 
The point Diaz had was, we bronies aren’t much better then other fanbases, even the “Sonic fandom.” We have our own fair-share of drama, fighting, fanatical-fans, and issues just like they do.  
We’re not “evil,” but we’re not a “utopia” society either, and as I said I see bronies who do alot of the same things they hate Sonic fans for doing. (Like making tons of recolor OCs, random-‘shipping fanart, ranting about how new episodes/games aren’t as good as the old ones, and such.)
 
Demonizing another fanbase to make our’s seem “better” actually doesn’t reflect well on the brony fanbase. If you want people to accept you for liking ponies, and to stop stereotyping you as a “crazy perverted man-child,” then maybe you should accept that not everybody who likes Sonic is like “Chris Chan,” as well. (Also, news flash that guy likes MLP to, and is also a brony.)

@AROC
 
That’s not what I meant. R34 isn’t even a bad thing.

@Diaz  
¿Nothing good has come from this fandom? I guess the most clear example which is “Seeds of Kindness” counts for nothing. Wait, it is something good. Yeah, a lot of R34 but at least it is NOT the only thing you can think about from MLP but it is the only shit to ever came from Sonic fans.

so does sonic touch himself?

@AROC
 
Says a member of the brony fandom.

@C.T.R.Lee  
Who, Rod? Well, people like him are entitled to their opinions, (no matter how biased…) but they seem to write off said opinions as “fact.” Whether Sonic “sucks” is just up to personal taste. He even admitted he didn’t like even the universally-“good” Sonic games. Even those aren’t everyone’s cup of tea. (Heck, I used to dislike the old butt-hard Megaman games, but now I like them.)
 
I don’t like some popular game series like “Halo” personally, (and yes, I’ve played it) but I don’t bash it all the time, or insist said series is a “failure.” (Which would be false as “Halo” has many fans, just like Sonic does.) No amount of “hate” is going to change the accomplishments the Sonic series has had.  
While I can admit not every Sonic product is “gold,” I think he gets more hate on the internet then he deserves.  
Still, he has just as many “fans,” as he does “haters,” so he isn’t going anywhere soon.
 
As I said in my first comment in this comment thread… It’s really ironic to see bronies/MLP-fans (of all people) who want people to accept them for what they like, who can’t stand people bashing their fanbase, are hating on other fandoms, or trying to “shame” people for liking things like Sonic.  
That really doesn’t reflect well on us bronies, or make us “look better.” I see just as much weirdness/drama from MLP-fans, as I do Sonic-fans personally. No fanbase is “perfect.”

@Darth Sonic
 
@Beau Skunky  
He does reminds me a lot about the anti-bronies,just that he’s a brony. How ironic…

@Darth Sonic  
Yeah, if people still like something despite what so-called “popular-opinion” says, let them enjoy it, I say.
 
Otherwise, by that logic, then we shouldn’t like ponies either, just because there’s alot of pony/brony-haters out there to.

@Rod Hungwell  
Well then, I don’t know what to say. Most arguments with Anti-Sonics tend to have the unspoken agreement that the original trilogy at least was gold, and that Sonic started it’s downward spiral after either the Genesis or the Dreamcast died. If you thought the a Sonic games were mediocre from day one, of course the existence of a continuous fandom would tick you off.
 
Still, the fact that such a fandom has last so long means that the franchise must have done something right at some point for someone. Even Call of Duty wasn’t crap until MW2.

@Rod Hungwell  
Miiverse isn’t the only haven for “Sonic fans.” Alot of ‘em, I see on places like DeviantArt hate “Sonic Boom,” some even hated it before it came out.  
Also, while some negative-critique is allowed on Miiverse, I don’t think you’re allowed to bash games on there. So of course you aren’t going to see much negativity on there.
 
Also, you ever thought maybe some people defend Sonic games, because they actually like them? Not because they’re some crazy brainwashed cult. (Ironically what some people think we bronies are like. Heck, some people can’t comprehend why people like you or me like ponies.)  
I’ll even admit I liked a few “hated” Sonic games like say the “Shadow” spinoff game, despite the problems/glitches it had, I found it enjoyable.) I also like some more universally-liked games like the old 2D ones, and the “Sonic Adventure” games. I don’t hate games just ‘cause it’s supposedly “popular” to hate them. (And as I pointed out alot of Sonic games still sell well, and even some like “Sonic Colors,” and “Sonic Generations” were more positively received. So not every game is a “flop.”)
 
As for that parody comic, in regards to that “Sonic has to many characters” complaint that it’s highlighting, I always find that critique odd, ‘cause other game series have tons of characters to added into every new game, as well. (Heck, Zelda & Final Fantasy change the entire cast every game.) So it feels like a double-standard with Sonic to me.  
Also, lately sense Sonic2006, up until Sonic Boom we’ve hardly had any other playable characters besides Sonic. (And Blaze the cat in two DS games)  
In most games for years we’ve only had Sonic playable, and nobody else, even the extended cast barely cameo anymore aside from in the Olympics/Racing spinoff multiplayer games.  
(Also, having Sonic playable only for years still wasn’t enough to please half the Sonic fanbase, as they still complain.)
 
Anyways, I don’t really want to “debate” Sonic anymore.  
Whether he “sucks” is just up to personal opinion, not a “fact.” (You can hate his series all you want, I can like his series all I want.) Some people love the blue-blur, some hate it, but regardless at this point he’s more “alive/popular” then Bubsy, and such.  
People in general are very divided on Sonic. Half the internet hates him, the other half loves him. Nothing’s going to change that anytime soon.

@Beau Skunky  
People are still defending Sonic Boom right now on the Miiverse, and have been since it came out. I’ve scrolled through the posts multiple times for laughs and is seems to me that majority opinion favors it. (either that or disenting opinion is just being deleted, which I wouldn’t put past the Miiverse moderators).
 
@Darth Sonic  
That’s the gist of what I was saying. I borrowed some kinda Sonic anniversary collection game from my brother once and I only got the idea that they tried with a couple at the most. Ones that came out later looked too cringy to me to even give a second thought. This comic explains why better than I ever could.
 

BEW  
BEW BEW  
BEW BEW BEW BEW  
It’s a slap bass.

@Rod Hungwell  

 
If that’s the case wouldn’t every Sonic game be him with Mario, and such?
 

 
Not true, in fact most Sonic fans I see don’t like the new “Sonic Boom” WiiU game, Sonic2006, and such. Many Sonic fans actually do have “standards,” and their own “personal opinions.” (That’s like accusing bronies of blindly loving the MLP show for no reason, and are “hive-minded.”)  
Heck, I didn’t like “Sonic and the Secret Rings,” though I don’t feel every Sonic game is bad as you say. (New or old) People seem to act like if one Sonic game is bad then that undoes everything “good” the series ever did, which is quite petty I feel. (As I pointed out in my previous comment, the series actually has been successful over the years, regardless what you claim out of your own personal bias.)
 
In fact, you apparently aren’t that familiar with the “rabid Sonic fans,” as I’ve seen ones like Nicochi & Richard Kuta who actually only love the old games, and bash every new one before they even come out. Alot of rabid Sonic fans are actually quite negative about the series, rather then “blindly-love/defend it” as you claim.
 
Sonic fans in general are actually a more varied bunch when it comes to their opinions on the series, and are very divided overall, (there’s even some who say only like the comic series, or only like the old TV show) so not all of them just “blindly love every game” as you claim. As I said there were some games I didn’t like about the series, but I feel the series still can crank out some good games sometimes, and I still have a fondness for the hedgehog.

@Rod Hungwell  
Just want to get this out of the way: Do you think every Sonic game, without exception, is shit sines it’s premier?

@Darth Sonic  
You say this like sucky things can’t become popular when that literally happens all the time lol.
 
@Beau Skunky  
>sonic franchise  
>alive
 
more like it’s in a vegetative state.
 
His cameo in Smash Bros is essentially pity on Nintendo’s part at this point (and well as unwelcome by many and annoying as fuck on top of that) and the success of the original and the rivalry with Mario have been milked to keep the series on life support for years now.
 
If all they care to crank out is flop after flop, they should really pull the plug. But they know that there’s no need to, given that the rabid fandom will defend the next sonic game ad infinitum no matter how shitty it is, reassuring them that they can keep cranking out new ones and making their ill-gotten shekels with as little effort as possible.

@Darth Sonic  
@Darth Sonic  
People seem to be under the delusion that if they dislike something like Sonic then it must be universally-hated, and it “sucking” is a “fact” not their mere opinion… (Y’know, lots of people hate ponies to…)
 
Still, no amount of hating is going to change the fact, Sonic is still one of the most popular video game characters around. (Like rival Super Mario, at one point, Sonic became more recognizable to kids then Mickey Mouse according to surveys. That in itself is impressive.)  
Sure he’s not as popular as he was in say 1994, and has had some hiccups, but still even some of his hated games still sell well, or still have their fans. (I loved “Sonic Heroes” despite it’s problems personally)  
He’s had 5 different TV series, (more then any other game series, not including the many different “Poke’mon” seasons/series) and also has an official comic series lasting over 20 years, and over 260 issues. (And that’s not even including the many different separate side-seris, and mini-series it’s had.) Making him have the longest lasting comic series of any video game character. (Heck, Archie is running 3 different Sonic comics at the moment.) He has lots of merch’, has cameos in games like Smash Bros. and was had some historical signifigance like he the first video game character to have a balloon in the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day parade.
 
Not what I’d call the signs of a “dead,” or “widely-hated” game series, despite what the haters try to convince themselves. If Sonic was as widely-hated, and as much of a failure as they say, Sega would’ve stopped making his games, and he would’ve fallen into obscurity, and be forgotten like many other ‘90s game mascots such as Bubsy, Bonk the caveman, or Boogerman. (Bonk & Boogerman need more love, I say.)
 
I find it baffling, and a li’l hilarious that any time Sonic is brought up on this site, he stirs up more controversy then discussing politics, or something, or people going, “OH MY GOD IT’S SONIC! MY EYES ARE MELTING!” (Kinda like how the pony-haters act everytime they see a pony ironically.)
 
I’m honestly starting to think people are getting just as obsessed with hating the hedgehog, as some are with loving him to much.  
I don’t know what’s worse sometimes the fanatical Sonic fans, or the Sonic-haters really.

@Darth Sonic  
I would like to make clear that I’m referring to long running franchises. Genuinely shitty things can get 20 minutes of fame and a few sequels, but unless something sucks in a charming way, shitty things can’t sustain long running franchises.
 
That said, long running franchises can be easily become shit. I st look at the old Star Wars EU and, yes, post Dreamcast Sonic.

@Rod Hungwell  
So every Sonic product ever made in its entire history sucks? Then how the Hell did it ever get as popular as it did?
 
And I say this in response to any “this popular franchise was alway shit” posts. They couldn’t have been, otherwise they wouldn’t have any popularity unless the shittiness was the draw. They would be at worst overrated or not your thing.

@Rod Hungwell  
Love and tolerate.

@AROC  

 

 
Additionally every sonic character looks like a grinning pile of shit, and yet fans can’t seem to fathom why people hate everything about it so much.