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Phoenix Wright defense game too strong.

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ColdhardSilver
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@SpacePaladin  
“RD’s entire motivation for doing this is selfish, short-sighted, based on really tenuous logic, and made no attempt to find alternatives that wouldn’t make things worse for everybody else except RD and potentially Tank”  
That’s why. I was arguing this point.
SpacePaladin
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

Watcher of the Watchmen
@ColdhardSilver
 
Then why are you arguing with me, when my whole point is that it would be out of character for PW to represent her when RD’s entire motivation for doing this is selfish, short-sighted, based on really tenuous logic, and made no attempt to find alternatives that wouldn’t make things worse for everybody else except RD and potentially Tank.
ColdhardSilver
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@SpacePaladin  
“This whole thing is about Phoenix Wright taking Rainbow Dash’s case despite the fact that she’s guilty and her reasons for doing this have tenuous justification at best”  
“then why is Phoenix taking the case when RD is not only guilty of the crimes that she would be accused of, but acting like this”  
I’m not talking about these things in the Pheonix Wright context I’m talking about them plain-faced.
SpacePaladin
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Watcher of the Watchmen
@SpacePaladin
“Crap shoot? A thousand year old individual who has had centuries to make connections can’t find a tortoise-sitter?”
  1. The mane6 very rarely ask Celestia for personal stuff, why would RD (an already self dependent person)?
 
Because the alternative is to ruin things for everyone else. You cannot go before a court of law and say “I know my actions would ruin things for everyone else and I know did have alternatives, but asking for help is not the sort of thing I’m inclined to do.”
 
  1. That is a possibility, being in a seat of authority does give you many connections but in exchange you end up losing smaller connections.
 
Celestia makes it a point to try connect to the common ponies.
 
@ColdhardSilver  
@SpacePaladin entire point is that RD doesn’t have a case that would be done by someone who tries to be as idealistic as Phoenix Wright”
I know that I’m argue the other points.
 
?? This whole thing is about Phoenix Wright taking Rainbow Dash’s case despite the fact that she’s guilty and her reasons for doing this have tenuous justification at best.
 
@ColdhardSilver  
@SpacePaladin fears were entirely overblown and she didn’t even consider any solutions that didn’t involve ruining things for everyone else.”
Rainbow Dash.png.
 
Okay… then why is Phoenix taking the case when RD is not only guilty of the crimes that she would be accused of, but acting like this IS IN FACT AN ESTABLISHED CHARACTER TRAIT? PW tries to protect the innocent. RD is not innocent. She’s not guilty of any sort of crime that PW’s clients are usually accused of (i.e.: murder), but a lawyer that would get RD off would be the kind of slimy, jerkface weasel that would serve as PW’s narrative foil. The lawyer who despite having guilty clients, gets them off through the abuse of the system.
 
You want a lawyer who could and would do this? Get Saul from Breaking Bad.
ColdhardSilver
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Culture Vulture
@SpacePaladin  
“Crap shoot? A thousand year old individual who has had centuries to make connections can’t find a tortoise-sitter?”  
  1. The mane6 very rarely ask Celestia for personal stuff, why would RD (an already self dependent person)?  
  2. That is a possibility, being in a seat of authority does give you many connections but in exchange you end up losing smaller connections.
     
    “My entire point is that RD doesn’t have a case that would be done by someone who tries to be as idealistic as Phoenix Wright”  
    I know that I’m argue the other points.
     
    “Her fears were entirely overblown and she didn’t even consider any solutions that didn’t involve ruining things for everyone else.”  
    Rainbow Dash.png.
SpacePaladin
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

Watcher of the Watchmen
@SpacePaladin
“Dragon Quest disagrees with you. She teleported from the Dragon migration endpoint all the way back to Ponyville.”
No she didn’t, it’s not even implied that she did. She just teleported to the edge of the forest.
 
Okay, rewatching that scene, you’re right.
 
@ColdhardSilver  
“@SpacePaladin”:“So it is better to ruin things for the entire rest of Equestria than it is to inconvenience Dash for a few months?”
“ruining winter for the entire remainder of Equestria.”
No it didn’t. Winter is made in turns so it isn’t an urgency, all they need is more water and to fix the cloud horn.
 
There was a fair amount of damage to the factory between the discharged lightning bolts hitting the equipment. And even so, they still have to make winter for the towns so Rainbow Dash’s efforts would have to take a more permanent solution.
 
@ColdhardSilver  
“@SpacePaladin”:“Oh surely Princess Celestia knows someone trustworthy whom they could set Tank up with”
…So your point was based on a crap shot?
 
Crap shoot? A thousand year old individual who has had centuries to make connections can’t find a tortoise-sitter? Is Equestria really that much of a crudhole? Hell, have Celestia set him up a greenhouse under her own supervision in Canterlot, which is a mere hop skip and a jump away for someone like Rainbow Dash.
 
My entire point is that RD doesn’t have a case that would be done by someone who tries to be as idealistic as Phoenix Wright. Her fears were entirely overblown and she didn’t even consider any solutions that didn’t involve ruining things for everyone else.
ColdhardSilver
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Culture Vulture
@SpacePaladin  
“Dragon Quest disagrees with you. She teleported from the Dragon migration endpoint all the way back to Ponyville.”  
No she didn’t, it’s not even implied that she did. She just teleported to the edge of the forest.
 
“So it is better to ruin things for the entire rest of Equestria than it is to inconvenience Dash for a few months?”  
“ruining winter for the entire remainder of Equestria.”  
No it didn’t. Winter is made in turns so it isn’t an urgency, all they need is more water and to fix the cloud horn.
 
“Oh surely Princess Celestia knows someone trustworthy whom they could set Tank up with”  
…So your point was based on a crap shot?
SpacePaladin
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Watcher of the Watchmen
@SpacePaladin
“you can’t do that in-universe because Tank wasn’t going to die”
Were they doing that in-show? I don’t see your point.
 
My point is that there wasn’t any sort of in-universe urgency for which wrecking the factory is so justifiable that a guy like Phoenix Wright would take the case. He friggin’ uses magic to determine whether or not the person is telling the truth (not a perfect system mind you, but it’s effective most of the time).
 
@ColdhardSilver  
@SpacePaladin would move south for the winter”
Where? with who?
 
Oh surely Princess Celestia knows someone trustworthy whom they could set Tank up with. It’s certauinly a better than destroying the weather factory and ruining winter for the entire remainder of Equestria.
 
@ColdhardSilver  
@SpacePaladin incredibly fast”
Still means that she has bolt/or train ride between point A and Point B (round-trip mind you) for 3 months at a time.
 
So it is better to ruin things for the entire rest of Equestria than it is to inconvenience Dash for a few months?
 
@ColdhardSilver  
@SpacePaladin capable of teleportation across large distances”
People exaggerate Twi’s teleportation and always ask “ugh why doesn’t she just teleport?”
The answer? When has Twilight ever teleported to something that wasn’t within her view? She was only able to teleport great distance when she was powered by the other princesses’ magic, but normally she never teleports to anyplace she can’t see.
 
Dragon Quest disagrees with you. She teleported from the Dragon migration endpoint all the way back to Ponyville.
ColdhardSilver
Thread Starter - Cartoon/Western Animation General

Culture Vulture
@SpacePaladin  
“you can’t do that in-universe because Tank wasn’t going to die”  
Were they doing that in-show? I don’t see your point.
 
“Tank would move south for the winter”  
Where? with who?
 
“being incredibly fast”  
Still means that she has bolt/or train ride between point A and Point B (round-trip mind you) for 3 months at a time.
 
“person capable of teleportation across large distances”  
People exaggerate Twi’s teleportation and always ask “ugh why doesn’t she just teleport?”  
The answer? When has Twilight ever teleported to something that wasn’t within her view? She was only able to teleport great distance when she was powered by the other princesses’ magic, but normally she never teleports to anyplace she can’t see.
SpacePaladin
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

Watcher of the Watchmen
@ColdhardSilver
 
Let me rephrase that: While Tank’s hibernation is a metaphor for death for the people watching, you can’t do that in-universe because Tank wasn’t going to die.
 
Also, I didn’t say she would move out. I said Tank would move out. Tank would move south for the winter, and RD, being incredibly fast and having access to a person capable of teleportation across large distances, would just visit her when she can.
ColdhardSilver
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@SpacePaladin  
“you can’t claim “it was a metaphor for death!” because Tank wasn’t dying”  
What? Yes you can, ever heard of an analogy?
 
“avoided if she just sent him to a more temperate climate.”  
>A main piece of Rainbow Dash is that she never backs down and tries to win it all  
>Doesn’t want to ever lose nor lose anyone  
>putting her in a situation where she would have to leave her ponyville friends and her job for like 3 months.  
That would make the situation worst, silly.
Background Pony #E2A6
It wasn’t actually Rainbow Dash who destroyed Cloudsdale.
 
It was…. Tank’s dead twin brother pretending to be Rainbow Dash all along!
Sonikku001

@SpacePaladin
 
Yeah, you’re right, I just couldn’t think of another lawyer who could take the case and get a “Not Guilty” verdict than Phoenix Wright. It was just a silly idea I drew up without thinking about it too much haha.
SpacePaladin
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

Watcher of the Watchmen
But… Phoenix Wright makes it a point to try and only represent the innocent. RD did it and you can’t claim “it was a metaphor for death!” because Tank wasn’t dying and this could have been avoided if she just sent him to a more temperate climate.