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“I might be a villain but I’m not a tyrant…” Chrysalis
Warning : This comic is direct sequel of “To Love God - To Love Mortal
And sharing universe and timeline with Crazy Future and Chaos Future
English Editor : dracoblair.deviantart.com/
My Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/vavacung?ty=h
Warning : This comic is direct sequel of “To Love God - To Love Mortal
And sharing universe and timeline with Crazy Future and Chaos Future
English Editor : dracoblair.deviantart.com/
My Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/vavacung?ty=h
Nice to see you too, i guess. it’s glad to see you and i are on the derpibooru “Top 10 largest assholes” chart.
Lovebutt lives up to the name Lovebutt!!!
@Smusher6 Not to mention Ted as well also said nothing is canon that’s why they can do whatever stupid bullcrap they want no matter how canon/period-breaky. Kind of a shame, really. Would have been funny to have MLP beat all of marvel’s properties, but the quality was just never there.
The issue with your link compared to mine is twofold.
Firstly, your post was made by the artist of the comics, while mine was made by the director of the show.
Secondly, your post was made in April of 2014, while mine was made in February of 2015. Your post even says ‘until the show says otherwise.’ The directer of the show later stated that ‘the comics and show will remain separate.’ Thus, two separate canons.
This^
Let’s address somethings
“YOU kidnapped Cadence and Twilight, turned Shining Armor into your love-drained puppet, and launched an unprovoked military assault on Canterlot with not only the intent of draining its inhabitants, but then the entire country!”
They feed on love boyo. We don’t know WHAT the threat was exactly either that Shining Armor mentioned. Compared to the rest of the ponies, Cadence clearly knew more about the Changelings than the rest, so my guess is that she discovered one or more feeding on the love of some pony and so for all we know SHE attacked that changeling. This could have sparked the whole situation because all the changeling would have been doing was feeding. We have no idea if the attack was provoked or not.
“What have they done to you or your kind beyond defend themselves from your attacks on them and their loved ones?”
That’s the million bit question now isn’t it? But again, their attacks had purpose behind them. What’s evil for the gazelle is good for the lion so to speak. And where clearly draining so much love can leave a pony weak, for her plan it made sense to weaken Shining Armor, but it’s unlikely that changelings would drain ponies to the point of it causing too much damage. Parasites can only feed if their host is alive after all.
“If you were so damn desperate for love as this comic is outright saying, why not attempt diplomacy and set something up with Celestia so your subjects can get the love they need?”
The diplomacy we’ve seen from Celestia amounts to “Fuck you, banished”. We saw this with the flashback to when Luna became Nightmare Moon. Remember episode 1? It said that she tried to reason with her sister, but what did she do? “Lower the moon, it’s your duty.” That’s it. That’s not reasoning, that’s demanding. That’s not diplomacy, that’s oppression. She made no effort to work out what was wrong with her sister and try to compromise.
I’m not defending really anything either, I’m kinda pointing out that while you do have points, they’re born entirely from the show not explaining jack. As much as people love Canterlot Wedding, it has possibly the biggest holes in it out of all the other episodes so far in all 5 seasons. We just loved it because it was the most intense thus far, but it has all the hallmarks of a great idea that was rushed. Too many unknowns.
And yeah it does get annoying when they forget everything, especially when certain things would be quite relevant to what is going on. Like Twilight should have been able to complete the SSCS6000 challenge all on her own since she did similarly quick harvesting work in Applebucking season.
All of a sudden you forget how to magically pick clean a whole orchard by yourself? Really Twi?
Using the logic of how foolish Cadence plan was by watching AnthonyC and Tommy-O review of the episode I do have to wonder why target the male, when the female captured would represent everything you would need.
Well first off it’s a kid show and stealing a pony to use as an outright living source of food even for changelings to likely worst than mind messing with your best boy friend want to yay forever system. I mean it would likely scar everyone for life if one of the Princess were trapped in a green bubble of trap-ness….oh right Princess of the Sun.
Secondly we didn’t really get a answer on how a changeling abilities work. What if it’s like the Harry Potter Potion method. That in order to transform into someone you have to view them directly to transform. Sadly the show fails to mention such a thing or it did in such a Final Fantasy 13 way that all you brony and the brony reviewers missed it every time they watched it.
Super powered by the love bomb? Oh you mean when Cupid and Fantastic Female shield did the whole form a heart thing and aurawave everyone out like a DBZ power Kai blast? Well that was shining armor shield ability. IT wasn’t a rush of love. Also do changelings suck love from sources or only from sources that are directed to them and only themselves? Also again, the people have two quotes, that the comics are followed and not followed so if the comic explained it…it might not be cannon.
See the problem that happens in MLP is that it rolls natural ones a lot with its world building. Magic spells are forgotten too. Im not explaining this to state the show is bad, i’m just pointing it out because this is a, Car-Toon. And sadly in cartoon settings the massively over power super chocolatey cover ultra powerful ability is sometimes never brought up again. Some cartoons keep track of every little thing and put limits on things. Others tend to be very flexible.
Just suck Shiny dry and send Cadence back to the hive, and you got nobody that can expose you.
Also doesn’t make sense that she and the changelings simply didn’t become superpowered by a love bomb. THIS WHOLE BIT MADE NO FRAKKING SENSE MANG
Magic is supposed to have rules, otherwise it just becomes an excuse for asspulls!
Pretty much this comic is looking on both sides of the story. I agree with you pretty much but to the lengths of if your kingdom was desperate for food resources would you risk months of negotiation just to try to get a little? or would you invade and get all the resources for your kingdom. But you are still right she should not play the victim. Her actions of attacking instead of diplomatic solutions costed her. But its a unofficial comic so…eh :P
Nobodies starting a flame war so don’t get your hopes up.
I assure you I’ve no interest in trying to start a flame war. If that’s what’s going to start because of my comment, then I’m sorry, but it’s just by this point, I’ve read so many fanworks that can go down the route of praising Chrysalis and vilifying ponies. I sincerely hope that that is not Vavacung’s intention, we’ll have to see.
Actually it was made pretty clear that Celestia was not as forgiving back then and she became more sympathetic after her sister was banished also I already mentioned she may have tried diplomacy but was rejected you’re looking at the modern day ponies who are more accepting I’m talking about the historical ponies who were less so.
I’ve only just recently started to like Chrysalis as a character so I don’t have much of a deep liking for her I like Sombra more.
Chrysalis, you may be my favourite MLP villain, but you have absolutely no right whatsoever to play the victim. You never have and you never will.
YOU kidnapped Cadence and Twilight, turned Shining Armor into your love-drained puppet, and launched an unprovoked military assault on Canterlot with not only the intent of draining its inhabitants, but then the entire country!
And you have the audacity to blame it on the ponies, the Victims of your conquests? How dare you. What have they done to you or your kind beyond defend themselves from your attacks on them and their loved ones?
If you were so damn desperate for love as this comic is outright saying, why not attempt diplomacy and set something up with Celestia so your subjects can get the love they need?
Oh wait, that’s right. Because if that was the case, then A Canterlot Wedding would never have happened. And are you guys reading this who are gushing with sympathy for your waifu honestly gonna try and make the argument that Celestia, freaking Celestia, would have denied to help them? Come on, guys, why wouldn’t she? Oh yeah, because Celestia Must be just a greedy, selfish tyrant and her people arrogant racists, because that’s the easy way out. Instead of Chrysalis actually taking some goddamn actual responsibility and admit she screwed up and genuinely try to fix it, it’s so much easier for her just to slander the ponies as the “real bad guys” so she look better for standing against them.
And that’s exactly what some fanfic writers DO, and I’m just really hoping Vavacung doesn’t go down that route.
Like I said below, that person’s a troll.
Don’t people listen?
Your loss. I actually do make an argument, that only she is to blame for her situation and that blaming the ponies is silly, which would fit well with your opinion of your first comment.
But I guess you stopped reading this comment after “Your loss” and therefore will never find that out. :)
I stoped reading about her behaviour don’t make her evil… lul
Her behaviour doesn’t make her evil, but neither are the ponies for defending themeselves against enslavement, a threat that was actually shown in the episode and isn’t some fanon. Blaming them for not welcoming the invading army with open hooves is just silly.
There simply were no signs coming from Chrysalis that would have suggested some kind of symbiotic life between ponies and changelings is possible or her intention, with all the chasing and attacking ponies and sticking them into gooey coocoons, rendering them unable to move or speak.
I like Chrysalis, I really do. And her actions are, while not very well planned out, consistent with her intentions. But blaming the Gazelle for running for its life and therefore causing the clumsy lion to starve, is just stupid.
And I think that ponies would have considered a symbiotic lifestyle with changelings, if it were proposed by Chrysalis or biologically feasable. We are talking about the series with “Friendship is Magic” in the title, after all. And Celestia doesn’t really strike me as a character that would intentionally let a whole race suffer and die, if there were a better solution that benefits both sides. Instead of monologing about how great her conquest is going, she could have used the time to talk to Celestia or the other ponies, explain her motivation and make proposals for a combined future. And everypony would have had to listen to her, because they couldn’t do anything else anyway.
No matter how I look at it, it is always Chrysalis fault that the changelings were cast out of Canterlot.
If there was an option of symbiosis, she clearly didn’t try to pursue it.
If there was an option of stealthily feeding of love (which she did in the episode over days), she intentionally blew her cover and that of her army by attacking Twilight for no reason.
If the only option for survival is to conquer Canterlot, same as above. Only in that case, you shouldn’t blame ponies who fought for their lives for doing so.
The sympathetic villain is a great trope that can make interesting characters. But it simply doesn’t match anything that we’ve seen so far of Chrysalis in the show or comics. :)
How many wars were started to gain control over resources? 95% of human history has those.
Was even half of the people who started them branded as “evil” “power hungry” or something like it? Nope, just a select few reckless types.
What Chrysalis did is by no means good but when you look at it through the prism of our own history it’s literally nothing out of ordinary.
You need something. A neighbour country has that something. You could negotiate and try to ask for it, but you’ll have to give something in return. OR. You could try and take it by force if your military is good enough. And when military is ALL you have, the choice is rather obvious.
And if she conquers canterlot she gets control of the ponies if gets control of the ponies she gets a lasting food source, is that a good thing no but it serves a purpose a means to an end in her eyes.
I know this doesn’t prove anything but Equestria was a different place back then and who’s to say Chrysalis didn’t try getting help for her changeling’s in a more civil way but the ponies rejected her because to them she is nothing but a monster and Chrysalis became desperate and eventually hateful and power hungry, if they wouldn’t give her their love she’d take it instead. I know this proves nothing but it’s how I feel that she is the way she is.
She could’ve quite easily gotten away with just, you know, infiltrating Canterlot at any other time than a Royal Wedding that demands higher security and awareness, announced threat or not. And maybe impersonating the one pony that will most definitely be guarded the whole time and put under special observation wasn’t a good idea either. I’m very sure there would’ve been hundreds of ponies in Canterlot that love each other, and before or after the wedding she could’ve quite easily snuck her changelings into the place, grab some love and leave without anybody even noticing. Nobody actually expected changelings (everybody was surprised, even Celestia). Only the massive failure of Chrysalis made everypony aware of the changelings.
If you are starving, you usually don’t plan to steal the heavily guarded crown jewels, but rather try pickpocketing some money or shoplift something to eat. Chrysalis didn’t just want to feed her army, she clearly wanted to conquer Canterlot and then feed her army with the spoils of war.