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An abridged version of my initial reaction to Rarity, a character that ended up being so one dimensional and so vapid that she now comprises a full 20% of my favorites list.
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You’re exagerating quite a bit with the Spike thing.
Owl’s Well that Ends Well: This was about Spike fearing he would lose his position to the owl. It was about being insecure of his position in Twlight’s life, and getting jealous. Even disregarding that most of the blame lied with Twilight herself for not noticing the obvious discomfort from the one character (who’s also a kid) who’s been living with her her entire life, despite her friends suggesting exactly what was wrong.
Secret of my Excess: This was the episode that introduced us to the fact that Dragons are prone to greed by nature. NATURE. A ridiculous amount of people seem to ignore this fact whenever they criticize Spike’s attitude. They treat it like a personal issue as if he was just another pony. This is a natural instinct that he, an infant, is constantly trying to fight off. Sometimes he succeeds, sometimes he doesn’t. People are too harsh.
Dragon Quest: How in the world is this on the list? The moral here had nothing to do with any other Spike episode. Spike wanted to learn more about himself because he knew nothing about his species and discovered that considering how the ones he’s met all are, he’d rather ignore his species’ habits and keep being himself.
Spike At Your Service: Again, nothing to do with the others. Hate it or like it, this episode was all about Spike taking a life-debt too seriously. It can even be argued that this episode originates from Dragon Quest, with Spike’s obviously made-up “Dragon Code” being there as his attempt to prove everyone (especially himself) that dragons don’t all have to be selfish and mean. That he can be the living proof that they can be honorable.
Just For Sidekicks: This was the first re-appereance of Spike’s greedy side. However, this one gets a pass because it was here to show us precisely that greed isn’t just some one-time quirk for him, but a part of every dragon’s very being. A part that’s always trying to claw its way out and resurface with the smallest temptation.
Power Ponies: While this episode’s moral seems similar to Owl’s Well that Ends Well, and it is to an extent, the basic proplem is way different. Before, Spike was insecure about someone taking his job and position in Twilight’s life. But he never doubted his own ability. He just thought the others liked the owl more than him. Here, Spike is actually insecure about being useless compared to his friends. He no longer doubts that they might not like him or that they may want to replace him, but rather, his own ability to keep up with them.
Princess Spike: This (and to a lesser extent, Just for Sidekicks) is the only case of Spike re-learning the same lesson. They focused, once again, on Spike letting his greed and desire for recognition get the better of him.
OH MY GOD YES
The Rarity in the comics isn’t the Rarity I’ve grown to cherish in the show. All they do is have her go ga-ga over whatever male character in the comics, and when they’re not doing that they’re just making her into exactly what her haters claim her to be. It just doesn’t even feel like it’s the same character and I really wish it’d change.
I tried to write a really bitchy post on IDW boards about it because I know that editor fuck reads those sometimes but all I got was a nod from someone who agreed with me. A much more positive reaction than I’m used to, certainly, but not much in the way of accomplishing anything.
The editor of the show did confirm that the comics and the show itself were to remain separate, though, and I love that. I loathe how much they bastardize her in those comics.
I agree, I hate what IDW does with Rarity’s character. Mostly seems to be Katie Cook devolving Rarity’s personality into some ditzy airhead because she thinks that’s funny. In the show, Rarity’s not fucking stupid and she’s not used to make dumb “blondesque” bimbo gags. :/
for example, in the beginning, twilight was a powerful mage yet a recluse, and at the end of s1, while not much advancement was made from her abilities, she definetivelly became more opende to her friends
rainbow dash, on the other hands, had and advancement pretty much null, as she didn’t get far too better on flying abilities (the rainboom is not to be counted, as she managed to do it when whe weighted a third of her adult form), did not became effectivelly more friendly, nor she reached any memorable achievement
on this path, rarity started as the better “jack of all trade” in the group: high abilities (precision levitation, gem individuation, high level of speech), an important objective already reached (she howns her shop since ep 1 and it is exactly as she like it), and the most outgoing of the group before the series; that is why she had the least charache development of the bunch, because she started already fleshed out;
similar is for pinkie and applejack, up to now, pinkie learned that she should not lose it on nothing and to put her friends wellbeing before her fixation, and aj that she can count on others, and that took 4 full seasons
Or you could just drop it, like it’s hot, since at the end of the day it doesn’t really matter anyway.
i like how you don’t even acknowledge my points and then try to cop out with an “agree to disagree”
i would say i admire you for sticking to your guns, but i really don’t tbh
It seems we can’t reach a mutual understanding here. I guess we just have to agree to disagree or something like that then.
Surely both of us have better things to do than continue this conversation that seems to be leading nowhere.
Have a nice day.
That Diggersby tho.
Fanon doesn’t affect canon, and almost the entire middle portion of your post is telling me about one of the many Brony Fanons that contradicts what the show itself has already said. I’ll just focus on the rest.
“Whatever she has gone through so far doesn’t stick at all and she still is the same as she was in the very first episode. That’s why I really wish she would get some cahracter development. Something permanent and not repeating the same thing of forgetting that others have feelings too and then regeretting it like she did with Dash, then with the whole man cast twice, with Sweetie Belle twice and then with whole Ponyville when she changed the whole thing she was supposed to arrange just because she wanted attention from that hipster pony.”
Did you read my post? Because I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about with some of this development. I’ll break it down into bite sizes pieces for you.
“then with the whole man cast twice”
Rarity Takes Manehattan taught her that just because one pony took advantage of her generosity doesn’t mean that she shouldn’t use it as means to be selfish herself, and we saw that lesson reach it’s peak when she ran out of Fashion Week to go find her friends and make things right.
Was she wrong to her friends? Yes. Was that the point of her development? No. It was just a subtle contrivince to help her learn her lesson by damaging something she valued greatly, that being the relationship with her best friends. It’s not the same development so don’t act like it is.
“Sweetie Belle twice”
Err, other than Sisterhooves Social, what was the other episode? .
. I’m legitimately confused there and I would love it if you could tell me .. I watch a lot of cartoons and my memory could really use a good jogging from time to time with MLP. Not trying to be sarcastic, that’s a serious question.“whole Ponyville when she changed the whole thing she was supposed to arrange just because she wanted attention from that hipster pony.”
The entire town of Ponyville wasn’t aware of everything going on behind the scenes, so they weren’t really affected. Especially when the closing scene showed that they all loved the end result, so I don’t see where she did them wrong. She should be apologizing to Applejack and those fillies because of her over-the-top reaction to Trenderhoof liking someone else. I do think this episode showed other facets to her character, such as her own insecurity when it comes to things of this nature, and therefore I like it, but I don’t think it was nearly as bad as you’re making it out to be. Episode subtly explored other areas of her character that aren’t touched upon much and therefore I can say that it was, yet again, a different type of development. More or less about not letting insecurities dictate who you are and how you act and treat others and I think that message is a lot stronger coming from a character like Rarity than one like Fluttershy. It was just a lot more subtle than it should’ve been and I feel the episode would’ve benefited if it was made more clear.
So no, your point isn’t coming across to me. You spend most of the comment telling me about fanon that affects the show in now and then the rest of it comes across like you’re singling out Rarity and trying to find things to complain about even when it’s contradicted by the show, and I don’t understand it.
It’s okay. I’m not trying to get your approval here or anything. I see we view things quite differently here.
To put it simply, I’m worried that the writers really don’t know what to do with Rari because she just seems to be the same she was from the very beginning. I don’t care if you can’t take me seriously because it has nothing to do with this. Yes, I did stray away from te original topic too so it’s my fault too that it got to this.
Just like this thing like “Rar is really rich” is kinda worrying because it seems like the fans now are adding something to her character because the show can’t do it. It’s kinda faulty too because if she was rich then surely as the element of generosity she would have given money to fix the town hall in Ponyville. She could also easily achieve her dream of popluarity by expanding her business and advertising it but that all requires huge amounts of money thus the fanon interpretation of her being rich really clashes with the canon.
Whatever she has gone through so far doesn’t stick at all and she still is the same as she was in the very first episode. That’s why I really wish she would get some cahracter development. Something permanent and not repeating the same thing of forgetting that others have feelings too and then regeretting it like she did with Dash, then with the whole man cast twice, with Sweetie Belle twice and then with whole Ponyville when she changed the whole thing she was supposed to arrange just because she wanted attention from that hipster pony.
I don’t think anything else I could add here. If my point doesn’t come across now then I’m not sure if I can say it in any simpler way than I have already.
I’ll be honest, I feel like the guy was just grasping for something to complain about with Rarity because he feels the same way that OP originally did.
That’s a thing I’ve noticed - Rarity haters will grasp for things that aren’t even there just to have a reason to dislike her. My honest reaction is wondering what went wrong in their lives to make them desire to hate a cartoon unicorn so much, but I digress with that point. It’s just that if the entire mane 6 does something wrong, then Rarity is the only one who seems to catch flak for it - and in this case, I think Rarity receives the most varied development without going back on those lessons nearly as much as others. It’s so overtly hypocritical that I find it really amusing, honestly. Especially writing essays about her in response to the criticism :P
Heck, everyone, even Apple “I didn’t learn anything!” Jack has to relearn their lessons.
Hmmm, you do make a really good point here.
Owl’s Well that Ends Well
Dragon Quest
Spike At Your Service/Just For Sidekicks
Power Ponies
Princess Spike
Not just Fluttershy, @ghostfacekiller39.
That’s the brony fandom for ya!
Never change.
It all came down to the same thing, being shyness. She was too shy to even attempt to face up to the fact that she had done something wrong in Bird in the Hoof, too shy to go on stage in Filli Vanilli, too shy to be an adequate contribution to the cause in Hurricane Fluttershy, too shy to not be a total pushover in Putting Your Hoof Down, and too shy to go on the journey and was actually very detrimental to the rest of the mane 6 for the majority of the episode in Dragonshy.
All of the conflicts in those episodes trace back to her own shyness and all of the resolutions to those conflicts are about her having to overcome her shyness, which the only one she didn’t do so in, from my memory, was Bird in the Hoof. So there’s 5 episodes where one of the main problems was because of her shyness, 4 episodes where she learned to overcome shyness and that’s 3 episodes too many for her to learn the same lesson.
Rarity, on the other hand, learned different lessons in each episode. Suited for Success wasn’t a Rarity development episode because the morale had nothing to do with her own mistakes, but rather the mistakes of her friends. Sweet & Elite showed that Rarity had grown to value friendship enough to put aside her dreams of fitting in with the Canterlot crowd for her more rustic friends, even though she had put them aside earlier in the episode. She learned the lesson on her own and hasn’t had any issue when it comes to choosing her friends over high society since then. Rarity Takes Manehattan taught her that just because one pony took advantage of her generosity doesn’t mean that she shouldn’t use it as means to be selfish herself, and we saw that lesson reach it’s peak when she ran out of Fashion Week to go find her friends and make things right. Those are the two episodes that I feel offered Rarity the most development and I don’t think either of them are close to being the same thing - one being don’t let others who take advantage of you make you lower yourself down to their level and the other being to know who your true friends are.
How are those the same thing, and in what occurences have we seen her go back on those lessons? I’m asking that as a legitimate question. Also, how can those be considered the same thing? It’s not like Fluttershy’s case, where nearly every episode of hers has to do with learning to be more assertive. There’s variety and she doesn’t go back on it, and you’re claiming she doesn’t ever learn her lesson without offering me proof that there was no development or comparing the similarites between the development she receives to show me that it’s the same thing.
You can’t expect me to just take what you have to say for what it is without offering me some kind of reasoning, because I think that you just so happen to be incorrect about Rarity and thus you need to prove me otherwise if you want me to even think about taking your seriously.
Like I said Fluttershy had that assertiveness thing going on for her for some time but at least she did learn from them and we can see it clearly now.
If you think those episodes you listed all had the same lesson then I suggest you rewatch Bird in the hoof since it really didn’t have that lesson.
I will however accept other episodes you mentioend even if Filli Vanilli had more to do with Flut’s stage fright and Hurricane Fluttershy dealt with the bad memories of her past since you could put them under her trait of being shy and reserved.
Dragonshy
A Bird in the Hoof
Hurricane Fluttershy
Putting Your Hoof Down
Filli Vanilli
and you’re saying it’s Rarity who learns the same lesson every time?
Echh, IDW comics. I feel like they butcher her character so badly. Hate the comics.
Anyway, I think that OP is pretty sweg actually. I know a lot of bronies go this route with Rarity and I feel like the ones who give her an equal chance and don’t just write her off as being a rich girl stereotype end up really liking her. I don’t see how OP is being a duck or trying to start shit unless you’re all just that insecure over your hatred of a character.
Good job, OP.
You mean after telling Sweetie Belle (who already knew this)
that she despised camping and didn’t even want to go;
after Sweetie Belle nevertheless guilt-tripped her into it;
while Sweetie Belle was enjoying it (undeniably more than Rarity was);
and while the only reason Rarity and her cartload of stuff was even there for Sweetie Belle to pull was that it allowed Sweetie Belle to go on the camping trip at all?
You mean after telling Sweetie Belle (who already knew this)
that she despised camping and didn’t even want to go; after Sweetie Belle nevertheless guilt-tripped her into it;
and while the only reason Rarity and her cartload of stuff was even there for Sweetie Belle to pull was that it allowed Sweetie Belle to go on the camping trip at all?
To be fair, you deserve the “DUCK” tag even more.
Yeah, I kinda see where you are coming from there.
Twilight truly has developed a lot as a character. Far from that nerdy girl who doesn’t need or want friends.
Fluttershy certainly had the assertiveness thing going on for her for some time but she has certainly gone far with that. We saw it in the last season already but this season truly has showed us that she is more assertive than ever before.
Dash is seems more caring pony now and not so self-centered even if that trait is still there.
Applejack has learned to accept help from others and let them do things their own way even if AJ herself doesn’t fully agree with everything.
Pinkie Pie seems to have learned more of herself if anything else. She doesn’t have to be the only one to make other ponies happy and that they have their limits. Though that seems to be bit of a on and off thing and not constant.
Meanwhile Rari…… nothing.