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Ah, now this is a stance I understand. Starting out with, “Hey, I’ve been trying to come up with a timeline…” is fine, though.
There are times where such things aren’t possible. People have gone mad trying to fit in Earthforce. And when you try to bring in the Time Wars…
Yeah, didn’t realize I sorta juxtaposed masturbation and pleasure that way :{ I don’t mind playing around and trying to fit all the disparate timelines and such into some sort of workable timeline or what have you. I just get irritated when people start with THIS IS NOT CANON because some Hassbro employee was too lazy to look up the name of a background pony before renaming it or whatever.
One line of dialogue can be enough to come up with a personality for her, no? It’s just been superseded by the personality the show gave her.
@Background Pony #B83F
That’s pretty much my stance. I just accept both as canon, with priority to the show. If the show directly contradicts the comics, I go with the show but still accept comic aspect of things the show doesn’t cover.
@Background Pony #F0F9
You say the phrases “mental masturbation” and “takes away the pleasure” as if masturbation isn’t pleasure. As dirty as it sounds.
I mean, I still remember how people loved to challenge themselves to figure out how the UK-exclusive Earthforce stories fit into the US Transformers comic continuity. Considering Earthforce included characters who were pretty dead in the US comic continuity, it was futile. But people still tried anyway.
The only thing adapted into the show so far are Andy & Katie’s ponysonas, (2 people who work on the comics) but they just seemed like a subtle nod to the comics, and had no baring on the episode’s story, or canon whatsoever.
Of course, some of the comic-haters still complained for days about the minor reference regardless… (I mean, I don’t love every issue of the comics either, but yeesh. It’s no worse then when Sibsy’s pony appeared.)
my personally thought is that there is stuff that would be awesome if adapted int othe show.
however i think one way or another we can itnergrate things like character revelations and viewpoints. even if we can say events like the big mac issue did not actually happen, the insight we get on him is accurrate.
Moondancer had a “personality” in the comic? Didn’t she only have one line of dialogue in it? She could just be a different pony, or something is the reader desires, if one wishes to “make sense” of it. (I am curious what will happen if they introduce the show version of Moondancer into the comic.)
Though, sometimes the beauty of fiction is, it doesn’t always need to make sense.
Sorry, just to make sure I have this clear:
The disagreement stems from whether or not stuff from the comics can be included in show canon as long as the show doesn’t directly contradict them, yes?
So, for example, if that was your stance, Moondancer’s Fluttershy-like personality was considered ‘canon’, but after Amending Fences was no longer so?
Or for another example, until the show makes it impossible, you could accept the Fiendship is Magic origin for King Sombra as canon?
And the comic has already influenced the show in some small ways, like showing the origin of Babs Seed’s interest in cutting hair, which led to her cutie mark.
They’re good, funny and aren’t g3.5 style (IE aimed at all audiences, not 6 year olds)
If you don’t like it, that’s your problem, keep it to yourself.
The show can be the mane universe (yes the pun was necessary) and the main comic series can be Equestria 2 or whatever.
The argument isn’t over whether the comics are subservient to the show or not in terms of canon; basically everyone agrees that they are.
The argument is over whether the “show canon” includes the comics when the comics don’t contradict. Stuff like Star Wars (before Disney took over) is an example where the side stuff is “weaker” canon, but stuff like book to movie adaptations, or Japanese manga to anime, are examples where side stuff is completely noncanon.
I mean, the show is where most of the focus is, and the comics are sort of a bonus or add-on, no?
And if Hasbro treats MLP the way they treat the Transformers Aligned (i.e. Transformers Prime, Robots in Disguise 2015, IDW TF Prime and associated comics), they care more about good stories being told than strict adherence to canon. For example, in the IDW comics Grimlock is a G1 style intelligent though ferocious leader. RID Grimlock….isn’t. And the Fallen in the Covenant of Primus is stated to have been contrite after accidentally killing Solus Prime, exiling himself. The one that appeared in RID talks like he’d been banished.
“I’m not aware of anyone involved with the show keeping track of the comics in an official capacity.”
IE, the show writers and Hasbro executives in charge of them do not have any official oversight at all on the plotlines of the comics. The comics writers only follow the show canon because they’re being nice to the show writers and the readers that use the comics as a supplement to the show. The only ones stopping them from contradicting the show material in large, sweeping ways are other writers and overseers not affiliated with the show writers at all.
And by an editor, I mean the editor that IDW puts on their MLP comics.
That’s the hierarchy that I was talking about, show above comics.
Well, it wasn’t the head of the comics division like I thought, but I find it extremely hard to believe that an editor would be completely unaware of show writer oversight.
Well I’m currently looking for the proof that it exists the way I said it.
There was a meeting where they discussed what pet to have for Luna (Ending up with Tibbles) And they wanted to give her a pet rock, because funny, but the show writers said that they had other ideas for a pet rock. A later episode introduced Maud Pie, with her pet rock.
The show writers get to decide canon, and the comic writers have to follow it.
Also, “not change the canon of the other” is explicitly false; the show is not afraid to run roughshod over comics canon, as shown by the recent Moondancer episode. The comic writers do their best to follow show canon as closely as possible (under their own supervision), but the show writers are under no obligation to do the same for the comics.
Show canon = show events
Comic canon = show events + comic events (barring conflicts, where the show’s events probably supercede)
It’s been stated by the head of the comics division that there’s essentially zero oversight by the show writers or by Hasbro over the comic stories. Hasbro makes sure that said storylines are suitable for the MLP franchise, but they don’t care beyond that.
Means that they will follow different stories, show different aspects of pony life and not change the canon of the other.
It does NOT mean that the comics are not canon. His second comic proves that the comics are canon, as does several other posts/tweets/interviews that make sure of this.
The point he is making is that the show writers and comic writers get together and have meetings to work out what stories they can put in the comics so that the comics stay canon. (There is a definite hierarchy show over comics)
It would be more accurate to say that comics have their own canon.
Exactly. The question was whether Chrysalis and the changelings survived, and he answers that they did, then points to a comic that builds on this part of the show’s canon. This does in no way contradict the fact that the two continuities are separate.
Facts established in the show are treated as canonical for the comic and books, but facts established in the “expanded universe” are not necessarily canonical for the show; not unless they are explicitly confirmed, and even that would not make everything in the comics canonical for the show.