DB WORKSHOP: Tag discussion

“lineart”  
“sketch”
 
Should these imply the “monochrome” tag? I personally don’t like “monochrome” as a tag used this way (ie. for black and white sketches, instead of single colored art), but I’m feeling guilty about Defenderof5 always cleaning up after me.

@Vree  
hmmm, i kind of agree, if it has more than one color it shouldnt be taged “sketch”
 
as for linearts, nah, ive seen linearts whit more than one color.

so I found the tag ‘no hooves’ that mostly consists of anthros with feet and hands. How old is this tag? If it’s going to stay we should have a tag where anthros are all hooves

@Dr Outback  
We do, it’s called “arm hooves”.

“portrait”, “profile”, “bust” - can anyone explain what each of these tags mean (ie. what they include and what they do not) and how they relate to each other? (ie. does any of them include another etc.)

@Vree  
Those are art terms. a portrait is exactly that, a portrait of a person. a profile is a specific type there the subject is viewed directly from their side. Mostly on their head.
 
And this is a bust.

@soundtea  
That was the extent of what I knew, yeah. :D What I wanted to know is how those apply to the meanings of the tags.
 
For example, “portrait” is obviously not the same because full body pictures would also be included in that.
 
So what meaning of “portrait” are we using here?
 
“Bust” is simpler, I assume that they do not only mean busts as in statues or the lower halves cut off specifically, but also images where only the chest & head are visible. But it’s all very vague.
 
I wouldn’t mind it if we HAD tags for only showing a part of the body personally. We have “head” which is pretty clear; but what if only the upper body from 1. the waits up or 2. the chest up (shoulders & head) is visible?
 
(“profile” seems to be largely specific (head or head & shoulders from sideways) and probably a sub-tag, unless I’m missing something.)

@Vree  
this is all based on personal “art exprince” also, some school.  
take it all whit a half grain of salt.
 
portrait means fully colored/shaded 2d handdrawn pics stuff were the focus is one or more characters (it can also aply for statues of characters)  
that means, no landscapes or lanscapes whit miniature chars in the distance.  
it cant be lineart, only-hard-shaded lineart or vectors. however, it can be used on quick detailed character sketches. and it shouldnt have any readable text, at least not at first glance.  
imo a useless tag whit too many variables to be eficient.
 
bust goes for art which focuses on the smaall head-chest-shoulders area of the body  
aka: it shouldnt have a waist or anything below that.  
 
both of these are barely a bust, the former is too short(its more like ‘head’) the later is a bit too big (arm & hands)
 
profile is a perfect shot of the side of the face.  
like here, celestia is on profile, luna, is not.  
 
it should be taged to any pic that has at the very least a half of the focus on a character that we can see in profile.
 
i also did some cleaning on each tag’s 2/3 nwest pages. portrait is by far the most misused tag.

Thanks. It seems like all of these have too many variables that can qualify/disqualify a pic to be really usable as tags?
 
Perhaps we could try another type of naming, like
 
‘full length’ doesn’t need a tag;  
‘half length’ for from waist up;  
‘head and shoulders’ (aliased to “bust”?)  
‘head’, for head & maybe neck only
 
By the way there’s another related tag I hate with passion, “solo”. It seems that it went to apply to any pic with only one character in them. But I’m never sure if it maybe was meant to apply for “portrait”-like pictures only (ie. no background), and if animals for example count as ‘characters’ or not, etcetra.

@Vree  
for clarity’s sake, those tags should be used instead of the other 3  
delete portrait, half lenght sounds uselless to me as well, but im sure other would disagre and alias heads and shoulders to bust.
 
i’ve always used solo for pics whit just one character. simple as that  
now, as for the animals, statues, robots or otherwise arguably sentient/alive things…  
its the fist time i think about it. i guess it could stay solo as long they are umnamed umnimportant creatures. like said, fluttershy hanging around whit a bunch of random butterflies/bird.

I’d like a tag that would separate out adult ponies in diapers while keeping in babies. Possibly, adding an “adult diaper” tag or something similar .

@Background Pony #FB86  
THIS!  
no wait….
 
theres the diaper fetish tag, it goes for anything that has a non-comedy diaper that REALY shouldnt have it. :V

We should probably have some useful implications for weapons, guns, shotguns, and I don’t know what else there is at some point.

@barbeque  
I usually just use “gun”. I guess one could alias it to “shotgun”, “rifle”, “machine gun” and the like.

@Vree  
Well, no, the point is that some people like to tag their specific type of gun/firearm (is that more general?) but then forget to add something generic like weapon or gun or firearm (for people that just want to see pictures involving any sort). And there are 270 pictures tagged shotgun alone, so aliasing is probably a bit too rigorous. It’s not exactly niche but not really a problem either, but would nevertheless be nice to have?
 
EDIT: and for the less weapon-versed users, I usually just tag ‘gun’ as well since I really don’t know that much about them.

@barbeque  
That’s what I mean: “shotgun”, would imply “gun”, so if someone wants to search for/filter all types of firearms they can use “gun” but people who want to search for more specific firearms can also do it.
 
I’m sorry, I meant “imply” and I accidentally wrote “alias” didn’t I? ^^;
 
Anyway, this looks like exactly the kind of use that implied tags are for :)

“pairing” and “crack pairing” tags - it’s ok to kill these, right? nothing but dupes of the “shipping” and “crack shipping” tags. Maybe one could check if there are similar clones or if there is a need to alias these (only about two dozen pics affected).

@Vree  
This is one of those tags that keeps popping up again even if you kill it, probably better off as alias. Put it in Tag Aliases thread so that anyone that wants to object can do so?

“mirror universe” and “dark mirror universe” both refers to the AU introduced in the IDW comics. Which one do we keep?

Nobody’s going to think to search for “dark mirror universe.”

SO this one is for the mods:
 
after the oc:*** tags going so well, how about taking the next step? What I was thinking is that we should apply the same rule to fanfics.
 
For example:  
fanfic:fallout equestria  
and so on.  
The rationale is pretty much the same as for OCs…There are many fanfic names floating around that only get a few uses and it may not be entirely clear that they are names of fanfics. fanfic:anthropology; fanfic:university days…and so on and so forth.
 
Probably a lot of work, but :p

@Vree  
its not that big of an issue IMO.  
but, things like this is why we need the tag dictionary ASAP.  
it would be pretty easy to make a LOT of tag cleaning.

In case anyone is bored and feels like cleaning up some tags.  
artist needed, artist:**, -irl**, -color*, -artist:30minchallenge

@Background Pony #6E02  
I did some of them (thanks for the link!) but don’t forget that there are legitimate examples, eg. some images may have more than one artist, and “artist needed” may refer to the 2nd artist. For example, lineart by a known artist colored by an unknown person.

A little question for people who understand Twiface and the like better than I do: Is wrong neighbourhood specifically for images that have text to the effect of “you’ve come to the wrong _____________”, or is it basically the same as Twiface? I would guess the former, but it seems to be used more for the latter.