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@Exedrus
 
I really don’t think you know who those low-res arts are coming from, really. When I reupload, a HUGE amount (if not all) of what I’m reuploading tends to come exactly from undiscovered artists. You’ll find that the exact opposite is true with big name artists (especially those who draw porn, but it goes for others as well) - it is impossible to find anything underuploaded with their name on it. The reasoning is pretty simple. Major uplaoders on this site tend to nab those types of images very quickly (when’s the longest an Atryl image has stayed off of this site? Sometimes he can’t even upload them himself fast enough), and major uploaders actually a) know what they’re looking for and b) more importantly, know how to upload. Meaning that the image will never be undersized. Seeing that SlayerBVC has uploaded an image is usually my cue to click the “x” button and move on.
 
With a lesser known artist, though, it’s easier for their work to fly under the radar. These pieces are nabbed by people who’ve uploaded about two pieces of art to this site in their life, or anons, who I’ve discovered during this time are usually terrible uploaders. These works, the bulk of my reuploading, tend to not have scores that even break 40. You seem to be under the assumption that I only go for glitzy, 200 score images. Not true.
 
The only two exceptions to this is when an artist’s work has been around for ages - think Beavernator - or art that was uploaded around the mass exodus from Ponibooru. In the former, the artist’s earlier works, while usually good, weren’t popular yet, so it’s natural that it was “newbs” who snapped up his work. You’ll usually notice that about two pages into their earliest work, the image res suddenly starts becoming correct. In the latter, I can only imagine that there was a scramble, trying to salvage as much Ponibooru as was possible. It stands to reason that people new to the site wouldn’t know how to upload at full res - Deviant Art really makes it obnoxious.
 
Do I sometimes get lucky and find an undersized, 300+ vote image? Yes. Does it happen often? Nope. It’s also worth mentioning that while I upload a lot, I try not to upload the same gallery/thing constantly, as to not clog up the main page. I’ll never upload an entire gallery at once. I want people to actually enjoy the art, not be pissed that the entire front page is Rarity vectors.
 
TL;DR, reuploading is mainly to bring exposure to works that have very much so been ignored because they tend to be from minor artists or work by major artists that wasn’t appreciated very much because it was drawn when they were a n00b.
 
Now if you’ll excuse me, the wallpaper tag is calling me.
 
EDIT) Forgot to mention one crucial thing, especially to this thread. Silly me.
 
I’ve noticed that even images that I’ve reuploaded with very few votes upon their original upload can still squeeze their way into the top scoring very easily (especially if it’s porn, ha). I don’t really have a solid reason for this; my closest guess is that the original could be something that appeals to a lot of people but it was uploaded at a very bad time, like when someone was posting all one hundred pages of a porn comic (god, I hate it when people do this).
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you should upload as many images as you can if you’ve found higher quality ones than are on the site, obviously. but re-uploading an image just to give an artist props is probably not a good idea. that’s what your favorites are for, to highlight art you think is good. trying to force everyone else to have your favorites by abusing the dupe detector sounds more like a jerk move than a community service to me.
 
you are probably not doing this at all, and you just wrote your explanation wrong so it sounds like you are. what I think you are really doing is taking a big pile of art uploaded with low quality due to uploaders using the preview version not the ‘download’ button on deviantart, and uploading it with the higher quality versions. and that’s awesome. if it results in some unexpected dupes on accident that’s fine too. just make sure you don’t deliberately create dupes to try and promote art you think isn’t getting enough recognition.
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I’m not really against uploading higher-res versions either. They deserve to be preserved on this website somewhere.  
I’m just saying if we’re trying to bring in the nebulous concept of “fairness” into this whole topic, then there are two sides to the question of how merges should be handled.
 
@soundtea  
Wow, I did not know FA and Tumblr had such tiny file size limits. (10MB is kinda small.) So I guess my second point isn’t completely accurate.
 
@And Brother I Hurt People  
I’m not talking about you in particular. If this is what you’re doing, then it’s probably for the best. But I was originally trying to make a point about merging in general…
 
Tho you do make a good point. I didn’t account for people derping up the original uploads, and these merges just to be to get the art to the original (full) post size. That does make it a lot less probable that these merges are for art that was produced by pro artists.
 
@redweasel  
Yeah, now there’s an interesting point.
 
Some would say what is fair for all images is that each gets a single shot to be seen. Others would argue that some art is under appreciated and deserves more visibility. Which one of these views is more “fair” is probably the sort of question we will never really have an answer to…
 
Tho, if we accept that some art is under-appreciated, then we also kinda have to accept that figuring out which art qualifies as under-appreciated is pretty subjective. In the end, it boils down to: How well do I think this art should’ve done, and does it already have that sort of score?
 
I’m now kinda on-the-fence when it comes to the question of what is fair (especially in lieu of what Soundtea and And Brother I Hurt People have brought up).
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@Exedrus  
It’s not really file size, more like rez limits (Tumblr is limited to 1280 horizontal/1980 vertical, while FA is limited to 1280 either way, but it can be circumvented by editing the pic and uploading the file again).
And Brother I Hurt People
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@redweasel
 
That’s…not what I even said. At all. Of course I don’t intentionally upload images that at already at their highest res.
 
I think you might have misunderstood my post. I’m not trying to force anyone to like anything.
 
 
@Exedrus
 
I usually try not to re-upload shitty art, if it’s any consolation. You know what I’m talking about; stuff that’s obviously from a stolen base, MS Paint…plus, I refrain from uploading at entire galleries at once. Like I said, I try to keep “different” things on the front page, so really, it should look exactly as it would have if I wasn’t re-uploading. Just with higher scores and comments from two years ago. :P
 
Really, at its core, Derpibooru is an art site. It’s the community who decides if something is “good” or not. And they can deem whether my reuploads are, well, good. They’re the ones who’ll decide the value of my re-uploads. And so far, it’s looking pretty good.
 
 
@soundtea
 
And keep in mind that DA has a really screwy way of getting the highest res. You can’t just click on the image like you can on other art sites like FA. You have to press download (I imagine a lot of people new to uploading wouldn’t because they wouldn’t want to actually download the image on their computer) and copy that image. It’s not hard, but it’s not exactly something that you would have guessed right away, either.
LupusGrey

No matter who gets the special treatment, it’s a special treatment of getting more “good” or “bad” votes because they get an extra try on the front page. You cannot do that fairly no matter how hard you tried. And as you said, it’s an art site, so every piece of art should get the same chance at glory.
 
And almost all re-uploads end up in top scoring because it looks like it got all the votes that it previously got through years on the site in an instant.
 
Not to mention that when an artist I watch gets a pass, suddenly my watch list is filled with old stuff.
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@LupusGrey  
You also need to consider that people have a habit of nuking DA’s and other art sites at random. So it’s preferable to have the best quality version on hand in case they get report spammed to death or they just randomly delete everything.
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@LupusGrey
 
“Almost all reuploads end up in top scoring”
 
Yeah, like five or six pages down. If they were constantly on the front page, I could see your point, but five or six seems to be grasping at straws, as does complaining about your favs. The porn wallpapers on there now are the first dupes I’ve seen on there in ages.
 
You misunderstand my point about the Booru being an art website. Why is an art website not going to have the highest res of an image? Do you even know how amazing something can look at its full scaled glory?
 
Look at the detail of >>931793. That’s an image that doesn’t deserve to be at a 700x700 scale.
 
@soundtea
 
Hadn’t even thought about that, but yes, that’s also a concern.
LupusGrey

I’ve had re-uploads in my top scoring list for over a week now. In top 4. Maybe not yours, but someone put ‘em there.
 
My favs? What? I didn’t mention my favorites.
 
And I don’t mind high res, but I like my browsing options not showing me old stuff more. And yes an art site should have the highest res possible, but it should also have it’s history correct and give all the art equal opportunity in the spotlight.
 
So if you could re-upload his res without all lists screwing (seriously, I can’t think of any list or browsing option that isn’t affected by this) up in some way, then sure, go nuts. But apparently the system can’t handle it right now. So couldn’t it wait until the system CAN handle it properly.
 
Not to mention the obvious abuse it enables as artists can upload low res images and wait to get re-uploaded and get even more delicious attention.
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@LupusGrey
 
Sorry, I must have misunderstood your post. About the faving bit, I mean.
 
The artist abuse is a real issue, but it’s not one that really affects what I’m currently doing. I don’t see it happening now; if it actually becomes an issue in the future, I’m sure the mods will be able to find some sort of compromise.
 
No, it really can’t wait. The mods are bogged down; who knows when they’re getting to something like that? Reverse merging is a huge strain on the server, the mods have to find a way around it before they can do anything. And like soundtea mentioned, accounts get nuked all the time. What I could easily access yesterday might be impossible to salvage tomorrow. Sorry that your lists are getting screwed over, but I can’t really do anything abut that.
LupusGrey

Well it’s a difference in priority of what means the most to people. I just think that if you cannot do something, good as it might be, without causing distress for others in the process, it’s undesirable until a better solution is found.
 
And I know those picture might disappear from the internet while we wait, but then save it to your harddrive. And if we are talking about the site as an archive, then data is valuable too.
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Distress? You and a few BPs are the only people who’ve really said anything negative about it on a site with thousands. Hell, even OP retracted his previous statement. And the mods are fine with me doing this. So I see no reason as to why I should stop.
 
I’m not saving 100+ images to my hard drive.
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@The Frowning Pony
 
Already have dealt with this. I’ve told a few about this, though I’ve rarely run into the problem - most artists seem to upload from their PC, meaning that they get the highest res every time. It’s really only the ones who upload from DA who have a problem.
 
I’m not a dick; I would never (intentionally) steal from artists on this site.
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@And Brother I Hurt People
 
There is just as few advocating your point as is mine so I think that is rather a moot point. If anything you make the point that most people don’t care for any of the things. Neither high res or data.
 
The silent majority might have an oppinion on the matter, but none of us knows what it is.
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@LupusGrey
 
I’m not looking for advocacy as much as I’m looking for “this doesn’t bother me”. Advocacy would be people joining me in re-uploads, would it not? I don’t expect a lot of people to undertake somehting so tedious. The comments I get on images that point out that the images are dupes tend to be more along the lines of neutrality, sometimes even happiness. And that’s good enough for me. Like I said - you and a few pointless anons are the only ones who seem truly bothered by this. Even though I’ve been doing it for a few months and this is the first anyone’s really noticed.
 
People not caring for data? …have you been on the Site and Policy forum?
 
I think the important thing here is that I don’t plan on stopping. You’re just going to have to deal with it. And if you don’t agree, talk to the mods, it’s their website.
 
 
@liamwhite1
 
 
I need to learn how to shut my mouth, don’t I?
LupusGrey

@And Brother I Hurt People
 
Your arguments are all over the place. First you made a point about just how important high res was for you and the site in general, but now you admit that mostly people don’t care. And this is probably true, most people here don’t care enough about either case to get involved.
 
So in the sense of what the users want for the site, none of us have really any support. We few in this discussion are the only ones who care enough. None of us can deem the themselves victor or justified in their cause. We only have our own opinion.  
Basicly, the good cannot be justified to outweight the bad.
 
That is the problem. You are doing a lot of effort for a cause that very few are interested in. It also only bothers a few, but it does bother some. And knowing this, you choose to continue for the enjoyment of a few, to the dismay of a few. So really this is carried by your own personal want for high res alone.
 
You also shrugged of the point that you removed artists as uploaders because no one had made enough of a fuss yet. It really sounds to me that you are doing what you want to do as long as no one has the strength to stop you. Consideration for others is only a matter of can I get away with this or not.
 
If I was running about the site trying to fix some data on the site, but by doing so I somehow lowered the res of images (unlikely scenario I know) I would have the decency to stop.
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@LupusGrey
 
What are you even going off on now? It is better for the site. You think I sit in front of my computer and say to myself “wow, I can’t wait to go through one hundred pages of old images to find ten undersized images”? I think you misunderstood what I said. People don’t care about the actually reuploading, they like having the images. I admit that I worded that rather poorly.
 
And like I said, I would never intentionally upload from site artists. What “shrugging” off are you referring to? I don’t even target accounts (unless they’re 3+ years old and it’s obvious they’re not coming back). I instead tell the artist. And if I do accidentally upload an artist’s work, you know what happens? Mods restore the images to the artists. I don’t want to give them the extra work on top of the more important stuff that they do for the site, obviously, but it’s not really an impossible issue to fix.
 
You’re trying so hard to show me how wrong I am that you’re not even bothering to properly read my comments. Again, talk it up with the mods, because I am not stopping. This is my last post in this thread. See you in the vector tag.
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@And Brother I Hurt People
 
Sorry, misread the part about the taking away uploads from artists.
 
I’m not trying to prove you wrong in the sense that higher res it better, because it is. If you asked everyone on the site many would agree. If they were asked if correct data was a good thing they would also agree. That’s not the point. As I said, if you could do the re-uploads without collateral damage, we wouldn’t have this conversation.
 
But they don’t care enough. On either case. It’s not something they really want to put any effort into advocating. So your entire case of higher res being so important and so good for site that it justifies annoying another group, is false. Otherwise, there would a lot more in here discussing the topic and in the comments.
 
You need to get of your high horse (hah, pony pun) and realise that you don’t have a better case than mine. We are equal in our support and backing. And you cannot deny that you choose to step on as many users as you might be helping.
 
And no, I cannot stop you. I don’t have the power and like the rest of the users, the admins don’t seem to care enough either. But I can expose how selfish the path you are on is.
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Wh-
Somehow, I missed this thread when I was looking for it a few days ago. Anyway, I’d like to add my support. The current system is unfair. I abhor looking at the ‘Top Scoring’ page and seeing a wall of dupes.
 
The score system is important to me, especially since a lot of my searches are based on score. I often search with terms like score.gte:700. In these cases, the results become noticeably skewed, and it harms the integrity of the search engine.
 
Two of my pieces have been reuploaded in the past, which is the only reason their score is above 600 (>>814213 and >>814926). In both cases, they hit ‘top four’, which is annoying because the scores on those images are now inaccurate. This sounds trivial, but I use score as a basic measure of community favor. Derpibooru score is most definitely a better measure of favor, compared to something like Tumblr notes.
 
Additionally, I often use the Top Scoring page to find new artists, and it is a mild inconvenience to sift through all the reuploads.
 
@And Brother I Hurt People  
In regards to the positive comments you mention (which aren’t actually related to the reuploading specifically), I’ve also seen at least a dozen comments detesting the behavior. I count three comments in >>937553, as a quick example.
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@Spectre-Z
 
To be fair, at the time of me posting my original comment, the Top Ranking wasn’t full of dupes. If you read the OP’s later post, the Rankings had no dupes at the time of posting, either. It seems as if my actions have spurred on re-uploading, and for that, I apologize. I’m not against a system that keeps dupes out of the rankings; I’m against someone telling me that I’m doing this for my own nefarious means.
 
And I don’t think the image you are referring to proves a point because the OP was uploading the entire artist’s gallery at once. Which is the exact opposite of what you should be doing when you’re uploading, whether you’re mining for dupes or simply cruising DA. Of course people are going to be more likely to leave angry comments; nobody wants to open the main page and see a huge wall of the same artist. Even if it’s porn.
 
Interestingly enough, you left out the comments that supported (or simply didn’t mind) the reuploading on that very image…
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Wh-
I’m not against a system that keeps dupes out of the rankings; I’m against someone telling me that I’m doing this for my own nefarious means.
 
Ah, I see. We are in agreement then. I should have been more clear in my original post.
 
I will amend my original point to make it clear that I would simply like to see a compromise between reuploading and a fair score system.
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