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@Daneasaur  
Seriously? Is…is that the only part of his comment that you’re gonna reply to?  
Cause he made several VERY valid points that, well, seem to be getting dismissed.
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Background Pony #289B
@Daneasaur  
“He doesn’t even have any wings! Does your mommy carry you everywhere?”
I don’t see how this implies that “he will grow them”.
It implies he’s being mocked for being too young. Which is exactly what they had been doing since the first time they saw him. Also, you omited the immediate reply to that conversation, which was: “no no, don’t you see little Spike just hatched?”. Which further supports how they were using that to mock him for still being a baby.
 
It’s obvious that in that scene, him being asked if he flies on his mommy’s back during the migration was the equivalent of a boy being asked if he still holds his mommy’s hand to go everywhere.  
There’s also the fact that if they asked him if he flew on his mommy’s back during the migration, it means that despite Spike’s lack of wings, they’re assuming his mommy does have wings, which further hurts the “subspecies” thoery and supports the “wings by age” theory instead.
 
For your point to work, we’d have to assume winged dragons mock wingless ones for not having wings or even thinking of them as inferior. This is something that goes out of/beyond the episode’s topic. The teenage dragons were initially mocking Spike for being too young, and then for living among ponies and not acting like a dragon. That was the topic. The lack of wings was used when they were mocking his age. That much is clear.
 
@Daneasaur  
Doesn’t hold much water when he went to teenager and beyond.
Once again, he grew two times, both times “unnaturally”, and both forms looked completely different from each other. If both times he looked different, what is the basis to decide one of those is his real adult form? And if so, which? And why that one and not the other?  
The thing is, because of the unique sources of his 2 growths, and the total discrepancy between the 2 forms, its entirely possible none of those was his real, normally-grown form.
 
@Daneasaur  
“Honestly, if they wanted spike to have wings, or were planning on him having them, why not do it on the episode prior?
Because they wanted it to be a King Kong refference and giving him wings there wouldn’t have allowed it.
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@Fwelin  
Doesn’t hold much water when he went to teenager and beyond. Honestly, if they wanted spike to have wings, or were planning on him having them, why not do it on the episode prior?
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@Daneasaur  
Said quote was in the middle of the topic of them taunting him for being small and young, which implies that the wingless jab was another way of them saying he was still a baby.
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@Beau Skunky  
I don’t know why people can’t accept that a dragon doesn’t have wings, I’ve seen depictions of them without them before.
I think people can accept a dragon not having wings. I mean, I know I can. However, my point has clearly been how there’s also no reason why assuming the opposite is odd either. So far in the show, there is actually more evidence pointing to them growing them than not doing so.
 
@Beau Skunky  
Not all ponies have wings, so it should come to reason not all dragons do either.
By that logic, we should also be expecting wingless griffins anytime soon.
 
@Beau Skunky  
But if some fans wish to think Spike will spontaneously sprout them when he gets older, that’s fine too.
Like I said, that’s as reasonable as him not sprouting them. Its what I’ve been saying all this time.
 
@Beau Skunky  
(Though, “Secet of My Excess” comes to mind, he didn’t get wings, even when he got big.)
“Cutiemark Chronicles” also comes to mind, yet I remember him looking completely different from how he did in “Secret of my Excess”. Given how radically different both forms looked, what exactly is the defining factor to believe either is his real adult form? And if so, which should be considered the real one? Based on what logic?
 
@Beau Skunky  
I just prefer him without them personally.
And I just preffer him either way. He’s cool with or without wings.
 
@Daneasaur  
I felt that one of the things that could have been brought up in Dragons quest would have been the “teen dragons” making more of a mention of him lacking wings and being weird.
Yes that could’ve been brought up…but instead, they brought up a conversation that heavily implied the lack of wings may be due to age. Why are we ignoring the one that actually happened? T_T
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@Beau Skunky  
Again, I agree. I felt that one of the things that could have been brought up in Dragons quest would have been the “teen dragons” making more of a mention of him lacking wings and being weird, yet at the same time, “gigga tail’ had no wings either.
 
But he was turned into an adult in the past event of Twilight hatching him and had no wings, and even lacked wings when he went bonkers in SomE.
 
I like him without the wings as it makes him unique.
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@QueenCold  
I don’t know why people can’t accept that a dragon doesn’t have wings, I’ve seen depictions of them without them before.
 
Not all ponies have wings, so it should come to reason not all dragons do either. But if some fans wish to think Spike will spontaneously sprout them when he gets older, that’s fine too. (Though, “Secet of My Excess” comes to mind, he didn’t get wings, even when he got big.)
 
I just prefer him without them personally. Leave wingies to Twilight.
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Background Pony #289B
@QueenCold  
“I don’t care enough about this to argue about it.
Ok then. I’ll say my piece and we’ll leave it there.  
My point was that it is odd to assume all dragons should wind up having wings. It’s a baseless assumption.
Dragons having wings is the standard image of the mythical creature called dragon. Every adult dragon in the show so far has had wings, and the only two exceptions have been child-sized (mostly) dragons.  
So sure, while nothing is 100% certain yet, assuming wingless dragons are an actual species in the show is actually the more “baseless” one in comparition. Our headcanons have nothing to do with this. I love your art btw.  
For all we know Spike is a completely different subspecies of dragon than the other ones we’ve seen. We just don’t know.
We also don’t know if there is even such a thing as a subspecies of dragon. “We don’t know” is exactly right. Given that, what you said about how thinking they’ll grow wings is the “odd” thing to do, sounds a bit contradictory. With the information we have so far, both are equally-valid headcanons, with one actually having a bit more in-show backup by virtue of the wings a being shared trait among every single adult specimen we’ve seen so far.  
I’m not here to shatter people’s headcanons. I’ll let the show do that.
That sounds…kinda presumptuous.  
I swear, the more I comment, the more I wanna kick myself. Everything’s a debate here.
It wasn’t my intention to make you uncomfortable. If I did, I apologize. I just wanted to point out the irregularities I found about the topic. My original post was also mostly focused on how when the teenage dragons were talking about Spike’s lack of wings, it really sounded like they were reffering to his young age as an explanation for it.
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@Background Pony #AB5C  
I don’t care enough about this to argue about it.  
My point was that it is odd to assume all dragons should wind up having wings. It’s a baseless assumption. For all we know Spike is a completely different subspecies of dragon than the other ones we’ve seen. We just don’t know.  
I’m not here to shatter people’s headcanons. I’ll let the show do that.  
I swear, the more I comment, the more I wanna kick myself. Everything’s a debate here.
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@QueenCold  
I am going to stop you right there, because I have already proven you wrong. Big tail guy does not have wings.
No you haven’t. I specifically mentioned the other wingless dragon and even reffered to its “big tail” in the my original reply to you. Please read the entire sentence beforehand. Who is also the only other dragon so far that is about the same size as Spike, except for his tail. Call it a coincidence, but fact is the only other wingless dragon so far just happened to be Spike’s overall same height.
 
Second, which dragon seems to be his age? I hope you’re not suggesting big tail guy, because he is clearly older, the top half of his body is just small compared to the rest.
Or the lower half is bigger compared to the rest. “Clearly older” seems a bit arbirtrary, to assume a mythical creature’s ass/tail is the most relevant part to define his age as opposed to everything from the waist up.
 
Third, we haven’t seen that many dragons to begin with.
We might not have explored dragons too much, but we’ve seen several for a species that isn’t ponies.
 
It’s like comparing a little black kid to a group of white people, and deciding the little black kid should become less black over time, because all of the other people you have seen happened to be white.
Totally unfair comparition. Human skin-color and body parts in a fantastic creature are 2 completely different things. You’re comparing RL people suddenly changing races, to a mythical creature, with no set or official rules regarding its biology, growing wings as it ages to look like pretty much every adult member of its species we’ve seen so far, which also happens to be standard image of the european dragon used in most media.
 
If we discover a new animal species, note that every adult has fangs, while the only few infant-sized looking specimens don’t, its a completely fair and natural assumption to think they will grow them as they age.
 
Well, except for the one midget with his insanely large third leg, but you can’t tell the difference between a midget and a kid, so he’ll eventually become white too
Again, assuming he’s a midget with a small upper body instead of a kid with a large lower body. You can see it from you side if you want, but in cases like this I’ve always considered the upper half far more relevant. On the contrary, I think the odd thing is to focus on someone’s ass to judge his age.
 
Winged dragons could be a regional thing, not to mention that sea serpents and even arguably hydras could be considered a sub-genre of dragon and neither of them had wings either. But that last part has not been confirmed.
Like you said, this part is all personal speculation and not based on anything in particular.  
Wingless dragons being an actual species, and sea serpents/hydras being related to dragons in any way, are both just assumptions with no basis.
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@QueenCold  
Add to it that we don’t know WHERE Celestia got the Egg Spike was hatched from.
 
It may very well have been a gift from Skorpan.
 
Maybe one day they will elaborate.
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