Thank you! Really it makes no freaking sense.

@Background Pony #FBFE  
And then Chrysy took over and nopony was able to stop her.  
Well done, Twily.  
You have doomed us all.

@ArmadilloEater  
Yup, the conversation was something, gee, I love puns, it fuels my life.
 
Oh, here is a realistic ending for ya’ll to be happy!!  

 
Realistic indeed.

Redemption is Magic.

@Pinkbeardedpony
 
>”Please tell me you aren’t going to argue that Twilight was not trying to kill Tirek in that second scene. She did not have the luxury of holding back when fighting a being as powerful as Tirek. Comparing the two spells, Glimmer’s spell does not have an identical appearance to Twilight’s. However, both spells were deflected with a magical shield, and the visual effect of each spell striking a magical shield are virtually indistinguishable. Note the time it takes for each spell to be turned aside by the magical shield it is interacting with. Also noteworthy is the tremendous amount of impact that both spells seem to possess. If I had to categorize Glimmer’s spell, it definitely seems to be a spell designed for destroying or pushing back at the very least. Lastly, we have seen a murder spell on the show,”
 
Once the spell hits the shield then it’s properties aren’t it’s own anymore. The shield also comes into question and comparing the shield’s reactions to the two spells serves no purpose, as I’m sure most shields would deflect a spell in a similar manner. The rate at which the shield deflects is also not as important as Starlight’s initial casting time of the spell, which I’ve proved can be accounted for any other harmless spell, not just one meant for injury. Also I’d like to point out that Timberwolves are much harder to kill than that, NMM’s spell just simply caused it to lose form for a while.
 
>”I cannot recall any characters other than the Mane 6 and Spike being inside the castle. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?”
 
Discord and the Yaks entered as they pleased. What makes you think no one is allowed entry?
 
>”Glimmer is not Twilight’s ward, so why should Twilight have any liability for Glimmer’s actions? I have no idea what you are saying in your second sentence. If you would kindly rephrase for clarity.”
 
You mentioned how it was due to Starlight that Twilight was sent into the past, and I mentioned how Starlight isn’t responsible for her actions. Now I mentioned how Twilight used Starlight’s property (The scroll) and you say Twilight isn’t responsible for Starlight. How could you hold Starlight accountable for Twilight but not vise versa?
 
>”There are two points here. One might say that they are religious leaders since the map was created by Yggdrasil and they are agents of its will. You could also argue that since the Mane 6 currently wield the elements/mementos of harmony, and that the elements/mementos of harmony were originally held/represented by Celestia and Luna, that the Mane 6 (through accroachment) now play a role in running the government (providing for the common defense). They are not on the books or the pay role, but they are as essential to Equestria’s national security as air craft carriers are to the United States’ national security. Can you expand on what or where the “Friendship Rainbow Kingdom” is? In any case, Twilight was given her position by Princess Celestia, and Glimmer is a subject of Princess Celestia. Attacking a member of royalty acting in an official capacity is either sedition or treason, I don’t see how it could be interpreted any other way.”
 
Okay, first of all I have no idea where Yggdrasil or religion in general came about. Secondly Equestria isn’t a religious state, so even if they where somehow “religious leaders” that entails no power what so ever over anyone else.The Mane 6 also do not have in their possession the Elements of Harmony anymore and any connections to Celstia and Luna wouldn’t be accurate, since the Elements weren’t the ones who crowned them Princesses.Being used as contracted militants does not give them a seat of government.
 
And exactly what position did Princess Celestia give Twilight? Was it stated that she was a Ruling Princess of Equestria and part of it’s monarchy? For it to be High Treason Twilight would need to be part of the Ruling Monarchy, but if Celstia appointed her to her position then that can’t be the case.
 
>”Strange how the map only casts the spell when Glimmer and Twilight interact with it while using their own magic. .( ̵˃﹏˂̵ )”
 
Strange how the map knew the exact location of Starlight’s village…
 
>”Purchasing and using fireworks is not that unusual. As for the amulet, I am sure that the curio shop owner is a scrupulous business man who has never even considered selling illicit goods, least of all when he could stand to make a large profit.”
 
Fireworks often are illegal explosives, and a cannon that large would require a dangerous amount of gunpowder to function. And now you’re accusing that poor old Shop keeper, for shame.
 
>”Of course not. Also, I’ll see your Lesson Zero and raise you a Magic Duel and a It’s About Time. Both of those episodes suggest certain magicks are either dangerous, forbidden, theoretical, or all three at the same time.”
 
Well neither of us know for sure, but if certain magics are only theoretical then how could they possibly be forbidden?
 
>”It’s suit, if you please. Psychological torture is a thing that exists. You are correct that a civil wrong called intentional infliction of emotional distress is used in American Jurisprudence and would be most applicable in this case. It is reprehensible conduct regardless of the legal remedy available.”
 
You still haven’t proved they underwent any notable suffering at all, let alone it being tortured.
 
>”Battery is a crime in American common law, being either a misdemeanor or a felony depending on the severity of the act. You are backpedaling here. You have argued that we cannot know what the effect of the spell Glimmer cast at the end of episode 2 would be. How then can you claim to know what the effect of Twilight’s spell directed at Glimmer would be. Pick a position and stick with it. This statement seems to be an indication that your earlier argument was a mere pretext for obtaining a rhetorical advantage.”
 
That’s where you’re mistaken, as we in fact do see the effects of the spell Twilight attempted to use on Starlight, the poor filly Rainbow Dash gets struck with it.
 
>”Next, Glimmer’s spell is a very obvious example of misdemeanor battery. Her casting the spell was not a lawful application of force (similar to ensnaring someone with a net), the spell was explicitly touching both Twilight and Spike, and both pony and dragon found being locked inside a crystal prison to be offensive touching with magic. Glimmer anticipating Twilight later attacking her has no bearing on whether Glimmer’s initial casting of the spell would constitute battery. You cannot initiate an action to protect yourself without exigent circumstances to support self-defense. Twilight was not intimidating or foaming at the mouth. There were no outward signs that she had any intention of using harmful magic against Glimmer yet. Glimmer ambushed her.”
 
Starlight saw Twilight’s persistent harassment as threatening, she indeed went well out of her way to chase after Starlight when she was well outside her general area. Starlight Glimmer was merely standing her ground and got the drop on her first.
 
>”I honestly think Twilight having to remain the Ponyville librarian would cut into her Grand Pooh Bah of Friendship duties. I’ve no doubt that the castle library is extensive, but that doesn’t mean the castle provides library services to the town. Depending on where in the castle the library is located, it could make trips there incredibly inconvenient for the populace. Even if we assume that the castle is serving as a library, that does not mean that every wing and individual room of the castle are open for the public to come and go as they please. Thus both burglary and trespassing could occur in those sections of the castle which are not open to the public.”
 
Seeing as how she never renounced that position I think it’s more than likely she still is the Librarian. She also never calls the library hers or displays personal ownership of it more than she did previously. And how is Starlight meant to know that? Where are the “do not enter without authorization” signs or anything else that would inform her or even halt her from exploring?

@MadVillan  

Here is Glimmer’s “mystery” spell,
 

 
and here is Twilight casting a spell on Tirek.
 

 
Please tell me you aren’t going to argue that Twilight was not trying to kill Tirek in that second scene. She did not have the luxury of holding back when fighting a being as powerful as Tirek. Comparing the two spells, Glimmer’s spell does not have an identical appearance to Twilight’s. However, both spells were deflected with a magical shield, and the visual effect of each spell striking a magical shield are virtually indistinguishable. Note the time it takes for each spell to be turned aside by the magical shield it is interacting with. Also noteworthy is the tremendous amount of impact that both spells seem to possess. If I had to categorize Glimmer’s spell, it definitely seems to be a spell designed for destroying or pushing back at the very least. Lastly, we have seen a murder spell on the show,
 
et voilà!
 
 

I cannot recall any characters other than the Mane 6 and Spike being inside the castle. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?  

Glimmer is not Twilight’s ward, so why should Twilight have any liability for Glimmer’s actions? I have no idea what you are saying in your second sentence. If you would kindly rephrase for clarity.
 

There are two points here. One might say that they are religious leaders since the map was created by Yggdrasil and they are agents of its will. You could also argue that since the Mane 6 currently wield the elements/mementos of harmony, and that the elements/mementos of harmony were originally held/represented by Celestia and Luna, that the Mane 6 (through accroachment) now play a role in running the government (providing for the common defense). They are not on the books or the pay role, but they are as essential to Equestria’s national security as air craft carriers are to the United States’ national security. Can you expand on what or where the “Friendship Rainbow Kingdom” is? In any case, Twilight was given her position by Princess Celestia, and Glimmer is a subject of Princess Celestia. Attacking a member of royalty acting in an official capacity is either sedition or treason, I don’t see how it could be interpreted any other way.  

Strange how the map only casts the spell when Glimmer and Twilight interact with it while using their own magic. .( ̵˃﹏˂̵ )  

Purchasing and using fireworks is not that unusual. As for the amulet, I am sure that the curio shop owner is a scrupulous business man who has never even considered selling illicit goods, least of all when he could stand to make a large profit.  

Of course not. Also, I’ll see your Lesson Zero and raise you a Magic Duel and a It’s About Time. Both of those episodes suggest certain magicks are either dangerous, forbidden, theoretical, or all three at the same time.  

It’s suit, if you please. Psychological torture is a thing that exists. You are correct that a civil wrong called intentional infliction of emotional distress is used in American Jurisprudence and would be most applicable in this case. It is reprehensible conduct regardless of the legal remedy available.  

Battery is a crime in American common law, being either a misdemeanor or a felony depending on the severity of the act. You are backpedaling here. You have argued that we cannot know what the effect of the spell Glimmer cast at the end of episode 2 would be. How then can you claim to know what the effect of Twilight’s spell directed at Glimmer would be. Pick a position and stick with it. This statement seems to be an indication that your earlier argument was a mere pretext for obtaining a rhetorical advantage.
 
Next, Glimmer’s spell is a very obvious example of misdemeanor battery. Her casting the spell was not a lawful application of force (similar to ensnaring someone with a net), the spell was explicitly touching both Twilight and Spike, and both pony and dragon found being locked inside a crystal prison to be offensive touching with magic. Glimmer anticipating Twilight later attacking her has no bearing on whether Glimmer’s initial casting of the spell would constitute battery. You cannot initiate an action to protect yourself without exigent circumstances to support self-defense. Twilight was not intimidating or foaming at the mouth. There were no outward signs that she had any intention of using harmful magic against Glimmer yet. Glimmer ambushed her.  

I honestly think Twilight having to remain the Ponyville librarian would cut into her Grand Pooh Bah of Friendship duties. I’ve no doubt that the castle library is extensive, but that doesn’t mean the castle provides library services to the town. Depending on where in the castle the library is located, it could make trips there incredibly inconvenient for the populace. Even if we assume that the castle is serving as a library, that does not mean that every wing and individual room of the castle are open for the public to come and go as they please. Thus both burglary and trespassing could occur in those sections of the castle which are not open to the public.

@MadVillan  
@Pinkbeardedpony  

@MadVillan  
For the record I HATE puns. Especially those of the horse variety.
 
 
>Surely you jest! Why would a spell of transformation have a prolonged duration. That is never how that type of magic is portrayed in fiction or film. Glimmer’s spell was obviously meant to kill an maim.
 
Because we’ve seen it before.  

 
How are you so convinced it was a murder spell, when we have yet to see the like?
 
>Where is the evidence of that? Unless Equestria’s real property laws are much different than our own, the mere act of entering the castle with the intent to commit a crime constitutes burglary. Ease of entry has nothing to do with it.
 
I’ll get to the first part. And the castle has never stated not to be open to the public, so don’t see how she could’ve forced entry. The so called crimes she committed inside are also suspect.
 
>Yes MadVillan, and I am the late Dauphin! ₍₍ (ง ˙ω˙)ว ⁾⁾
 
Stranger things have happened.
 
>I like puns, and making puns is easy with compound words. Spike touched the parchment, but it hardly matters. Sine qua non causation is what matters in this instance. But for Glimmer enchanting the parchment and conspicuously leaving it behind, Spike wouldn’t have touched it and sent both himself and Twilight back in time.
 
And you could argue if it wasn’t for Twilight’s initial involvement in Starlights town this whole thing wouldn’t be possible. I still don’t see how it gives Twilight the right to take withhold Starlight’s property and attempt to use it to further harass her.
 
>The Mane 6 have certainly done contract work for the Equestrian government, including their role in fixing friendship problems. Glimmer lives in Equestria, and thus she is a subject of the three princesses (and bound by Equestrian law), whether she likes it or not. Do you agree that Twilight is as much a ruler of Equestria as Celestia and Luna?
 
The main 6 are employed by a magical map, not by any government official. Also I’d say being contracted once or twice doesn’t make you a government official. They still have their previous employment except for Twilight but that’s arguable. Twilight isn’t referred to as a ruling princess of Equestria, in fact is refereed to the ruler of her own kingdom called the “Friendship Rainbow Kingdom”. So no, I don’t agree that Twilight is a ruler of Equestria. More along the lines Cadence.
 
>I beg to differ. The spell requires the map to function (it is a focus which grants the spell power by resonating magic between the semblance of the map and the spell’s desired effect), but that does change who the caster is. That would be like saying that an assassin is absolved of poisoning the king because he didn’t kill him directly. Sine qua non causation once again. If Glimmer imbued the map with sentience and then gave it orders to cast the spell under certain conditions, then I would agree with you. However, there was no indication of that in the episode.
 
The map is known to have it’s own will, it can be argued that it has some level of sentience. It is by the map’s power that the spell was activated, it’s also by the maps power that the Mane 6 sought out Starlight Glimmer. I’d say Sine qua non causation dictates here that the Map is the true culprit behind this.
 
>My apologies, but I don’t follow your first point. Next, I would be truly shocked if Equestria had recorded laws and didn’t prohibit the ownership or sale of certain magicks and substances.
 
I’m referring to Pinkies casual use of explosions and her “Party cannon”. And I doubt so on the latter half due to various dangerous items being so easily available, the Alicorn Amulet for example.
 
>Despite what you may think about the rest of the Mane 6, Twilight Sparkle was and continues to be an agent of the government. She obviously received a special dispensation for whatever bans on magicks exist in Equestrian law. She’s Celestia’s apprentice and cat’s-paw, after all.
 
Maybe to some extent, but then again Lesson Zero shows she doesn’t have free reign to do as she pleases. And Twilight doesn’t seem the type to abuse her status, so i’d doubt she’d be comfortable either way if those spells had some restrictions.
 
>The extraction spell didn’t cause physical pain, it caused mental anguish. If you want a famous non-painful torture method, then look up Chinese/Spanish water torture.
 
That’s debatable and seems more like a personal suite, if it did or didn’t. Not a charge.
 
>Battery does not always require physical touching by the accused. Contact which is offensive to a reasonable sense of personal dignity is offensive contact. Another unicorn with magical training could potentially identify the spell being cast, especially if it is a commonly used spell. Even if Glimmer’s spells were not able to harm Twilight and Spike (I assume you are referring to the ice block spell), detaining them would provide additional evidence that false imprisonment has taken place. If you have evidence which proves that the castle is being used as the new Ponyville library, then please share it.
 
Again that seems like a personal suite and is debatable. The spell is pure speculation, and Starlight cast the spell out of pure self defense, we see later that if left free Twilight will attempt to harm Starlight.
 
And finally for the Library part, Twilight’s occupation in Ponyville is previously (and most likely still includes) Librarian of Ponyville which required her to live in the Library. The Library was then destroyed on Twilight’s watch, and replaced with the castle. The castle also includes an adequate library to suffice to the public. And since Twilight never resigned as live-in Librarian, one could assume the castle functions as the new Ponyville Library.

@MadVillan  

 
I wrote attempted, that is to say an inchoate offense. It’s a pun, for goodness sake. Mare = Man. (♯▼皿▼)
 

 
Surely you jest! Why would a spell of transformation have a prolonged duration. That is never how that type of magic is portrayed in fiction or film. Glimmer’s spell was obviously meant to kill an maim.
 

 
Asked and answered. Murther = Mareder does not sound as good to me.
 

 
Where is the evidence of that? Unless Equestria’s real property laws are much different than our own, the mere act of entering the castle with the intent to commit a crime constitutes burglary. Ease of entry has nothing to do with it.
 

 
Yes MadVillan, and I am the late Dauphin! ₍₍ (ง ˙ω˙)ว ⁾⁾
 

 
I like puns, and making puns is easy with compound words. Spike touched the parchment, but it hardly matters. Sine qua non causation is what matters in this instance. But for Glimmer enchanting the parchment and conspicuously leaving it behind, Spike wouldn’t have touched it and sent both himself and Twilight back in time.
 

 
The Mane 6 have certainly done contract work for the Equestrian government, including their role in fixing friendship problems. Glimmer lives in Equestria, and thus she is a subject of the three princesses (and bound by Equestrian law), whether she likes it or not. Do you agree that Twilight is as much a ruler of Equestria as Celestia and Luna?
 

 
I beg to differ. The spell requires the map to function (it is a focus which grants the spell power by resonating magic between the semblance of the map and the spell’s desired effect), but that does change who the caster is. That would be like saying that an assassin is absolved of poisoning the king because he didn’t kill him directly. Sine qua non causation once again. If Glimmer imbued the map with sentience and then gave it orders to cast the spell under certain conditions, then I would agree with you. However, there was no indication of that in the episode.  

 
My apologies, but I don’t follow your first point. Next, I would be truly shocked if Equestria had recorded laws and didn’t prohibit the ownership or sale of certain magicks and substances.
 

 
Despite what you may think about the rest of the Mane 6, Twilight Sparkle was and continues to be an agent of the government. She obviously received a special dispensation for whatever bans on magicks exist in Equestrian law. She’s Celestia’s apprentice and cat’s-paw, after all.
 

 
The extraction spell didn’t cause physical pain, it caused mental anguish. If you want a famous non-painful torture method, then look up Chinese/Spanish water torture.
 

 
Battery does not always require physical touching by the accused. Contact which is offensive to a reasonable sense of personal dignity is offensive contact. Another unicorn with magical training could potentially identify the spell being cast, especially if it is a commonly used spell. Even if Glimmer’s spells were not able to harm Twilight and Spike (I assume you are referring to the ice block spell), detaining them would provide additional evidence that false imprisonment has taken place. If you have evidence which proves that the castle is being used as the new Ponyville library, then please share it.

@Pinkbeardedpony  
Sorry but i had to shorten your points a bit in order to reply to it in a way that create too large of a wall of text out the sun and make it easier to read.
 
>”Mareslaughter”  
Firstly, who did she kill? And Doesn’t that get confusing for non-mares, or even non-equines.
 
>Attempted Mareslaughter  
You could assume anything about that spell, for all we know it could’ve turned them all into Oranges. The only one that knows for sure is Starlight, and it’s far reaching to assume that she would’ve killed them.
 
>Attempted Murder  
Same as the last point, no one but her knows what the spell would’ve done. And why is this one named differently? Why isn’t it a horse pun?
 
>Burglary  
Isn’t the castle technically the towns library? And there weren’t any locks so how could her entry be unlawful?
 
>False imprisonment  
Starlight Glimmer took the Main 6 to shelter after they passed out in the freezing cold. The building was secured so no one could potentially sneak in to harm them while they where resting. And no one could here them knock on the door because the speaker was on. It was all just a big misunderstanding. Also, I doubt there’s any precedent for the whole past thing.
 
>Fillynapping  
Why is this one a horse pun? Twilight wasn’t forced to take the scroll or even use it, it was through her own free will.
 
>High Treason  
Yea, I don’t buy the Main 6 being a part of Equestria’s government. And Twilight has her own kingdom, which Starlight isn’t a denizen of.
 
>Possession and casting of Forbidden Magicks  
Technically the map was the one casting the magic.
 
>Citing 18 U.S. Code § 842 – Unlawful acts, Section P, subsection 2: It shall be unlawful for any person to teach or demonstrate to any person the making or use of an explosive, a destructive device, or a weapon of mass destruction, or to distribute to any person, by any means, information pertaining to, in whole or in part, the manufacture or use of an explosive, destructive device, or weapon of mass destruction, knowing that such person intends to use the teaching, demonstration, or information for, or in furtherance of, an activity that constitutes a Federal crime of violence.
 
This would make Pinkie Pie a much larger criminal than Starlight could ever be then. I don’t think there’s an Equestria equivalent.
 
>Equestria having similar strict prohibitions about the teaching or experimentation with age, mind-affecting, and time-related magicks would make sense to me.
 
Twilight’s lack of hesitance to use a reformation spell and her usage of the Time-travel spell make me think otherwise.
 
>Torture  
Now there’s a lot of debate on what is and isn’t torture but according to the first definition I found,“the action or practice of inflicting severe pain on someone as a punishment or to force them to do or say something, or for the pleasure of the person inflicting the pain.”
 
The removal of the cutie marks caused no, or very little pain, so they weren’t torture. And Like I said before the speaker was just some personal listening music that the townsfolk enjoy and forgot they left on.
 
>Trespass to Land, Person  
There was no physical contact between the three of them, and the only person that could know exactly the intent of Starlight’s spells is her. In fact not only did Starlight not harm either Twilight or Spike, the magic she used was non-aggressive and incapable of causing them harm.And like I said before the Castle could be seen as the town’s library, perfectly normal for someone to enter without permission.

@MadVillan  
“Mareslaughter” is the pony equivalent of manslaughter, to wit, the unlawful killing of a pony without malice aforethought. You impugned my list of charges, so allow me to elucidate.
 
Attempted Mareslaughter (Season 5, Episode 2): The spell cast by Starlight Glimmer at the end of the episode appeared to have a tremendous amount of power behind it. It would be safe to say that if Twilight didn’t counter it with her shield spell, she and the other villagers would have been disintegrated.
 
Attempted Murder (Season 5, Episodes 1-2): One assumes that any attack made by Glimmer during the last two episodes of the season had enough power to wound or kill Twilight if they were not shielded. She intended to use lethal force to either kill Twilight or force Twilight’s compliance with her plan. Thus her intent and actions (if successful) would qualify as murder in the first degree or felony-murder.
 
Burglary (Season 5, Episode 25): The unlawful entry into a building for the purposes of committing an offence. Glimmer entered Twilight’s castle without permission, lying in wait for the opportunity to commit several offenses (casting forbidden magicks, false imprisonment, fillynapping, setting a trap)
 
Conspiracy: I retract this charge, mea culpa. I forgot that multiple parties are required to qualify as conspiracy. Glimmer seems to have acted alone.
 
False imprisonment (Season 5, Episodes 1,2,25,26): The restraint of a person in a bounded area without justification or consent. Glimmer held the Mane 6 in a building against their will. She also imprisoned Twilight and Spike in the past and other realities during the season finale (I consider Twilight and Spike being unable to leave the past to be a “bounded area” of sorts).
 
Fillynapping (Season 5, Episodes 25): AKA kidnapping. The unlawful taking away or transportation of a person against that person’s will, usually to hold the person unlawfully. Glimmer fillynapped Twilight and Spike with the scroll that she left behind after casting the time spell.
 
High Treason (Season 5, Episodes 1,2,25,26): Acting to overthrow one’s government or to harm or kill its sovereign. Glimmer’s removal of the Mane 6’s cutie marks and attempts to prevent them from becoming friends would both count as attempting to overthrow the government. I assume they cannot use the elements without their marks, which is an important government function (providing security) and stopping them from becoming friends also directly led to the destabilization or outright destruction of the Equestrian government in several instances. Even if you don’t agree with the above, Glimmer directly attacked Twilight several times. Twilight is a crowned princess, AKA one of the three sovereign rulers of Equestria.
 
Possession and casting of Forbidden Magicks (Season 5, Episodes 25-26): In the US we have the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. I would speculate that Equestria has a similar agency, perhaps the Bureau of Cider, Sweets, Magic and Magical Items.
 
Citing 18 U.S. Code § 842 - Unlawful acts, Section P, subsection 2: It shall be unlawful for any person to teach or demonstrate to any person the making or use of an explosive, a destructive device, or a weapon of mass destruction, or to distribute to any person, by any means, information pertaining to, in whole or in part, the manufacture or use of an explosive, destructive device, or weapon of mass destruction, knowing that such person intends to use the teaching, demonstration, or information for, or in furtherance of, an activity that constitutes a Federal crime of violence.
 
Equestria having similar strict prohibitions about the teaching or experimentation with age, mind-affecting, and time-related magicks would make sense to me.
 
Torture (Season 5, Episode 1): There were two instances of torture. Glimmer’s stripping the Mane 6 of their cutie marks is one. The other would be Glimmer sending the Mane 6 audio messages after imprisoning them [similar to Re-education through labor (RTL)] in order to force them to accept her philosophy.
 
Trespass to Land, Person (Season 5, Episode 1,2,25,26): Trespass to the person includes assault, battery, and false imprisonment. Trespass to land is the wrongful entry upon the lands of another. In order for Glimmer to be guilty of assault, one would have to conclude that, though her physical menace, she placed another in fear of imminent serious bodily injury. Twilight and Spike no doubt felt as much to different degrees. As for battery, Glimmer would have to have undertaken an act which, directly or indirectly, was the legal cause of a harmful contact with another pony. I would contend that her casting of harmful magicks, both direct and direct would qualify. Glimmer’s trespass to land occurred when she entered the grounds of Twilight’s castle without permission.

@MadVillan  
My friend, you just described how brainwashing happens in real life. Peer pressure and charisma is how Jim Jones got so big, and how he managed to do what he did. Our Town was the most cut and dry example of a cult you could ever imagine, with Starlight as the leader. Also what would you call the house with the megaphone, where you can only be let out when you agree with what the voice is saying? Friendly persuasion time?
 
As I said, we have different opinions on what constitute something that has happened. We won’t go very far on that matter. You see the restarts as saying “it never happened”, I see it as “destroy and write over it”. That’s why I prefer the multiverse theory, even if it means they still suffer, at least they still have a chance.

@PonyPon  
Not according to this it’s not.
 

@MadVillan  
Yeah.
 
Brainwashing!

@armadiloeater  
I wouldn’t call it brainwashing, more like Peer pressure and just being really charismatic.
 
But they didn’t exist, each time line was erased by the next, and Twilight can’t possibly witness multiple timelines at the same time, so that makes each previous one null, having never existed. If the show wanted to be accurate, then Twilight, Spike, and Starlight’s memories of each timeline should’ve been erased, it doesn’t make sense for them to have memories of things that never occurred and happened simultaneously.

@MadVillan  
I would say Starlight is culpable of brainwashing an entire town, torturing ponies that rebelled (that house with the slogan about equality on repeat, that’s a sovietic method of breaking someone’s will), imprisoning the girls, stealing cutie marks, and spying on royalty. No idea where the mareslaughter comes from though. Maybe during the chase, when she tries to shake off Double Diamond & co? Meh, not really clear enough. Oh, and she did send Twilight falling to her doom during those flashbacks. Although I don’t really see it as murder, since she probably knew Twilight would break out. So yeah, clearly a criminal, but not to the point of being a murdering psycho. More of a sheltered sociopath really.
 
But the ponies did exist, Twilight encounters them. Saying that they didn’t exist in the first place doesn’t make sense, since we know they did live. I think we might have a fundamental difference in point of view about the concepts of time travels here, since for me wiping out a timeline doesn’t change the fact that people still existed, before being erased. Not sure we can agree on this in any way…
 
I had no idea about MF DOOM, that’s pretty awesome. No idea how he avoided being sued out the ass though.

@armadiloeater  
More than half of those “charges” make no sense, what is mareslaughter? Who did she kidnap and torture? And she didn’t attempt to kill Twilight, or anyone else.
 
But besides that, All those timelines weren’t only deleted, they never occurred in the first place.Your forgetting that they kept going back before those timelines. So they didn’t exist and never did exist. It’s not the same as saying they’re all dead, it’s the same as saying it never occurred to begin with, so how can you punish her for something that never happened?
 
And yes and no, my profile image is a Skeletonized MF DOOM a rapper who plays amoge to Doctor Doom

@MadVillan  
Yes, because going back to the past to ruin the life of someone if not wrong at all, right? Even if you forget about the alternate realities Glimmer is still a criminal.@Pinkbeardedpony said it before me.
 
Also when you describe them going from A to C, you seem to forget one thing: everyone else in that timeline still suffered during that lapse of time. Years of slavery, war, eternal night, apocalypse… Those people did exist and they did live through those atrocities. And again, I don’t see how you saying “it destroys those timelines” is a positive in anyway. It’s the same as saying: all those ponies died, so now it doesn’t matter.
 
As an aside, I must say that your name and avatar are just perfect for this conversation. Is that a skeleton Dr Doom?

@armadiloeater  
You just said she did so without know it, and like orbsah pointed out Twilight was just as much a culprit for distorting the past, probably even more so. And lets not forget exactly what Starlight did to distort the past, Stopped Bullying, Make a magic show,Dodge Twilight’s attack. Almost none of those are evil things that deserve a punishment, the only reason you think so is because it somehow caused a different alternative hypothetical timeline.The alternate Zevora says so herself that they shouldn’t exist, when any time another alternate timeline is created, they cease to exist entirely.
 
Think of it this way, Rainbow Dash’s race is point A, and the normal timeline is B.
 
When Twilight and Starlight created all those timelines, they jumped from A, to C, then back to A, to D, then back to A, to E, and so on, until they finally get back to the original timeline, from point A, to B. This not only destroys each timeline as the next is created, it makes it so they never existed in the first place.

@orbsah  
In a sense yes, if you subscribe to the multiverse theory then each time Twilight came back she had a part in creating the new timeline. But you can’t blame her for it, since she was trying to prevent this in the first place, while Starlight was actively trying to do it. She was a victim as much as all the other ponies she encountered in those loops.

@armadiloeater
 
@armadiloeater  
I you take it this as parameter then Twilight is equally responsible for most of these realities

Attempted mareslaughter, attempted murder, burglary, conspiracy, false imprisonment, fillynapping, high treason, possession and casting of forbidden magicks, torture, trespassing to (land and the person), et al.
 
One needn’t debate the morality of Glimmer altering time and space to find the necessary justification to banish her and then throw her in a dungeon in the place that you banished her to.

@MadVillan  
If we went into all the possibilities we don’t know about, we could go on forever. I choose to look at the information we do have: Starlight’s actions caused untold suffering, over several realities. She caused the end of Equestria several times over. While I’m not saying she’s irredeemable, since she did so without knowing she would cause so much suffering, I still don’t like the idea that because it happened in different timelines, her actions had no real consequences. Ponies still suffered directly because of her actions, and they are either still suffering if we take the multiverse route, or have been wiped out if we subscribe to the unified timeline theory.
 
You can’t judge someone for the things he could have done (screw you, Minority Report), but you can judge them for what they did do, and caused. In this instance, Starlight did change the past willingly, and destroyed the world in at least one instance.

@armadiloeater @MadVillan @poneponi  
This is going into Quantum Logic parameters.  
I think only Whovians can properly understand it now…

@armadiloeater  
Those aren’t the only alternate timelines though, every single time a decision is made there exist another alternate timeline. Who’s to say those timelines don’t also exist,and that there not just as bad or even worse? Should every one be punished for not always making the optimal decision for every single timeline that exist?