@Background Pony #E586
Umm… in a way, yes. I don’t see how that’s a bad thing. Loads of things have drug related origins that are now a staple in our culture. Most notably, and most relevant to me as I’m currently drinking a can of it, is coca-cola. It’s got origins from opiate addiction, and is now a very popular soft drink that has almost entirely lost its origins as such. What’s the problem with that?
Glow sticks are also incredibly popular still today for tons of recreational uses, including your run of the mill parties among teenagers still, and they became explosively popular due to the rave scene. Most people who use glow sticks aren’t aware of that either, they just think they’re cool.
Coke wasn’t due to any opiate addicts. Coca-Cola was based off a formula for a drink IIRC called French wine. The creator of Coca-Cola bought the formula, and tinkered with it, intending for it to be essentially a liquid medicine drink for headaches and such, marketed as a “pick me up.” At the time many drugs and their dangerous, damaging and addictive properties were not known. Heroine was readily available from catalogs and was seen as you and I might view an aspirin today.
Cocaine was often used as one would use a energy drink today, and was included in the original Coca-Cola formula to provide that “pick me up” the creator was aiming for. Sticking cocaine in Coca-Cola was basically no different then than a drink manufacturer adding Guarana to a drink today, as far as attitudes at the time went.
Its use as a tonic failed but it became extremely popular as a drink. As time went on the cocaine content was lowered again and again. While lots of the early drinkers did become attached to the cola due to the cocaine, just as many just liked the taste, just like so many today.
So Coca-Cola did not have an origin born out of drug culture, it simply used a popular and legal (at the time) drug like so many products of the era did.
@Hollow_Shades_resident
since that’s literally what it’s for irl, it doesn’t matter if Jim Miller meant for it to be or not
That’s not necessarily what it’s for, though; there are a lot of people out there– and given how old the fad is, I’d say probably most people– who only know it as a goofy rave accessory and have no idea that it ever had anything to do with illegal drugs, so for them it’s just “a thing ravers wear to identify themselves as ravers”. It’s just a visual language now. Suburban White kids don’t know that tucking in one side of a T-shirt and leaving the other hanging out was originally a way for gangbangers to carry a concealed handgun while still letting everyone around them know they had a handgun (or were at least frontin’ like they did); for Trey and Dakota and Channing it’s just Hip Hop Cholo Fashion they saw in a music video, and they ain’t hurtin’ anyone if they dress like that, since it’s highly unlikely they’ll ever find themselves in a barrio or colonia where its original meaning will still have any real significance.
@mrdoctorderpy
Isn’t that how all references work? You had to be familiar with Pulp Fiction to see that as a movie reference, for example. Otherwise it’s just a couple stallions eating at a diner.
Um, since that’s literally what it’s for irl, it doesn’t matter if Jim Miller meant for it to be or not. You don’t have to be familiar with drug culture to physically see someone wearing it.
Did you REALLY need to ask this? Who would be STUPID enough to think it actually was a reference to drugs?
You did not have to point this out. People know. Calling her Molly was an obscure Internet thing called A JOKE. If you’ve never heard of it, Google it or something.
Goddess, Bronies can be so embarrassing. I think this is the dumbest one I’ve seen other than the person dumb enough to comment to Faust about porn of her character.
It’s pretty obvious that the Miss Pommel fiasco isn’t because of legal reasons, yet a lot of the fandom accepts that as the answer.
I’d say it’s really bloody obvious that it is, but even if it isn’t and the staff decided to modify her name because they didn’t want a kind, generous pony associated with a greedy, Nazi collaborator, I’d be OK with that. (Not that I was in any way upset over her name, because for pity’s sake it’s just a pony pun name, but I’m not upset over the change either.)
@DrWong
Level-headedness in a Derpibooru comment thread? Heresy!
@ender1200
what did low hanging pants originally meant? It’s how prison “bitches”– inmates who prostitute for money/cigarettes/favors/etc. from other inmates– advertise that they’re open for business, by showing off what they’re selling.
Wannabe gangstaz and hip hop weeaboos saw prisoners in documentaries and cop shows and such walking around with their pants hanging half off and mistakenly thought it was some kind of gang sign or prison code for badass gangbangers, so legions of teenagers who thought listening to NWA and Snoop Dogg albums made them “street” started wearing their pants the same way as a fashion statement without realizing exactly what kind of statement they were making.
It is one of the funniest freakin’ things that has ever happened in the world of fashion.
@Background Pony #829E
urban legend
If it’s an urban legend someone forgot to tell the prisoners and the cops, because I’ve heard it from way too many of both for it to be accidental.
@Background Pony #829E
Err, take that as an answer to “Where did the trend of wearing low-hanging pants originate”, not the question as originally worded.
@ender1200
Prison, where issued clothes were often ill-fitting and belts weren’t issued because of the risk of suicide. There’s an urban legend that is was a means of signalling receptiveness to homosexual activities, but that’s false.
This one is more likely to be a slip up where the designer of the pony might have looked up images of people in a rave for inspiration and not have known about the drug connotations.
That. The pacifier thing started out as drug paraphernalia, but it very quickly became just another rave culture emblem that no longer has any specific association with drugs unless a prosecutor is inventorying your possessions and looking for justification. Kids These Days don’t understand what wearing their pants hanging down off their asses originally signified either, but they still do it as a “fashion” thing.
@Background Pony #E586
makes it seem like they knew it was drug-related
I have been to dozens of all-ages conventions that handed out glowsticks like party favors at the Saturday night rave/dance, and they’re standard issue gear for kids trick-or-treating on Halloween; they have even less in the way of drug scene specificity than pacifiers. It was a Raver Pony, they drew her with raver gear.
@DrWong
I was around back then
I was already out by the time the RADICOOL BINKIE [guitar riff] fad came around, but I come from a family of teachers and had friends who were still students, so I saw plenty of kids wearing the dumb things at school.
Cocaine was often used as one would use a energy drink today
Bingo. There’s no practical difference between the way coca products were marketed in the 19th Century and how caffeine and taurine and guarana are now; Coca Cola was basically the Monster/Red Bull of its day.
Coke wasn’t due to any opiate addicts. Coca-Cola was based off a formula for a drink IIRC called French wine. The creator of Coca-Cola bought the formula, and tinkered with it, intending for it to be essentially a liquid medicine drink for headaches and such, marketed as a “pick me up.” At the time many drugs and their dangerous, damaging and addictive properties were not known. Heroine was readily available from catalogs and was seen as you and I might view an aspirin today.
Cocaine was often used as one would use a energy drink today, and was included in the original Coca-Cola formula to provide that “pick me up” the creator was aiming for. Sticking cocaine in Coca-Cola was basically no different then than a drink manufacturer adding Guarana to a drink today, as far as attitudes at the time went.
Its use as a tonic failed but it became extremely popular as a drink. As time went on the cocaine content was lowered again and again. While lots of the early drinkers did become attached to the cola due to the cocaine, just as many just liked the taste, just like so many today.
So Coca-Cola did not have an origin born out of drug culture, it simply used a popular and legal (at the time) drug like so many products of the era did.
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since that’s literally what it’s for irl, it doesn’t matter if Jim Miller meant for it to be or not
That’s not necessarily what it’s for, though; there are a lot of people out there– and given how old the fad is, I’d say probably most people– who only know it as a goofy rave accessory and have no idea that it ever had anything to do with illegal drugs, so for them it’s just “a thing ravers wear to identify themselves as ravers”. It’s just a visual language now. Suburban White kids don’t know that tucking in one side of a T-shirt and leaving the other hanging out was originally a way for gangbangers to carry a concealed handgun while still letting everyone around them know they had a handgun (or were at least frontin’ like they did); for Trey and Dakota and Channing it’s just Hip Hop Cholo Fashion they saw in a music video, and they ain’t hurtin’ anyone if they dress like that, since it’s highly unlikely they’ll ever find themselves in a barrio or colonia where its original meaning will still have any real significance.
Pretty much
Isn’t that how all references work? You had to be familiar with Pulp Fiction to see that as a movie reference, for example. Otherwise it’s just a couple stallions eating at a diner.
You do have to be familiar with drug culture to see it as a drug reference
Nurse Redheart’s cutie mark references Christianity, then.
Did you REALLY need to ask this? Who would be STUPID enough to think it actually was a reference to drugs?
You did not have to point this out. People know. Calling her Molly was an obscure Internet thing called A JOKE. If you’ve never heard of it, Google it or something.
Goddess, Bronies can be so embarrassing. I think this is the dumbest one I’ve seen other than the person dumb enough to comment to Faust about porn of her character.
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It’s about ’Daddy culture’
You’re wrong. It’s about ‘Daddy culture’. Yknow, girls wearing diapers and using pacifiers, calling their older male lover “daddy”.
Why?
@Background Pony #841D
@DrWong
Level-headedness in a Derpibooru comment thread? Heresy!
@Background Pony #E586
Your psychic powers could be put to better use, you know.
Umm, what?
i love that episode
what did low hanging pants originally meant?
It’s how prison “bitches”– inmates who prostitute for money/cigarettes/favors/etc. from other inmates– advertise that they’re open for business, by showing off what they’re selling.
Wannabe gangstaz and hip hop weeaboos saw prisoners in documentaries and cop shows and such walking around with their pants hanging half off and mistakenly thought it was some kind of gang sign or prison code for badass gangbangers, so legions of teenagers who thought listening to NWA and Snoop Dogg albums made them “street” started wearing their pants the same way as a fashion statement without realizing exactly what kind of statement they were making.
It is one of the funniest freakin’ things that has ever happened in the world of fashion.
@Background Pony #829E
urban legend
If it’s an urban legend someone forgot to tell the prisoners and the cops, because I’ve heard it from way too many of both for it to be accidental.
Edited
Err, take that as an answer to “Where did the trend of wearing low-hanging pants originate”, not the question as originally worded.
Prison, where issued clothes were often ill-fitting and belts weren’t issued because of the risk of suicide. There’s an urban legend that is was a means of signalling receptiveness to homosexual activities, but that’s false.
Non-American here: what did low hanging pants originally meant?
He might’ve said something along the lines of “we were unaware of any such connotations when we made it”.
@Background Pony #E586
makes it seem like they knew it was drug-related
I have been to dozens of all-ages conventions that handed out glowsticks like party favors at the Saturday night rave/dance, and they’re standard issue gear for kids trick-or-treating on Halloween; they have even less in the way of drug scene specificity than pacifiers. It was a Raver Pony, they drew her with raver gear.
@DrWong
I was around back then
I was already out by the time the RADICOOL BINKIE [guitar riff] fad came around, but I come from a family of teachers and had friends who were still students, so I saw plenty of kids wearing the dumb things at school.