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Duh, because she’ll have to find a regular boi then.
Apology accepted. See ya.
Yeah sorry, I didn’t read the entire thing.
I’m not trying to be aggressive I just don’t want to argue this, I’m tired of arguing with people over stuff like this in general. Lets just leave it be, again sorry if I came off as rude.
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For someone who doesnt care about it after a year, you sure brought up a lot of your personal issues with it. (Even a lot of ultra specific stuff, odd)
(Facepalm)okay, now I know you don’t actually read my comments completely cause you are outlining something I JUST OUTLINED TO YOU
As I JUST said, I am perfectly fine with you having a different opinion then me, and we can agree to dis agree at any time.
You simply have a tendency to act aggressively with stance C) instead of calmly with B).
We simply habe two differentry perspectives on the topic. That’s fine.
Now that you’ve agreed to agree to disagree, I’ll happily accept it. :)
See ya :D
I don’t think you understand what I’m saying here, I’m done, I do not care, I have my opinion and I’ve stated my reasons why. I’m under no obligation to change it and I’m not going to make text walls in the comments about it. Just accept other people have different opinions than you and move to a forum WHERE IT BELONGS.
There will be no discussion from me here because this is not where it belongs and I have better things to do than argue about something from over a year ago that I don’t even care about anymore.
So do you want to A) have a more open minded and calmer discussion B) Agree to Disagree peacefully C) Declare yourself right with no further explanation or counterpoint
A and B would be infinitely preferable to C.
And if you can’t come up with counter arguments, then don’t whine to me about it.
Most of the people on this site who hated the arc after Ive already given the counter argument and they eventually couldn’t think of any more valid arguments.
Your analogy is flawed. Talking to a Brickwall is giving well constructed arguments, and the brickwall person ignores them instead of giving reasons.
In your head, I’m the brick wall.
But in reality, your FACTUALLY the last one to give proper counterpoints and you gave up!.. while still insisting you your right for no reason Your the textbook definition of what a brick wall acts like.
Btw, saying other people hate it doesn’t mean anything. The hate for this comic is hardly universal especially outside derpibooru.
For all I know, your the most intelligent hater of this comic, and I JUST pointed out the flaws in ALL your arguments.
You saying ‘I didn’t’ without an explanation is just baby talk.
P.S. Now, if you want to agree to disagree, thats a whole different story. That offer is always open, people have different perspectives on things afterall :)
But don’t act like a jackass and declare yourself correct despite not giving ANY explanation. That’s just acting like a self important troll.
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I don’t need to go on, I already explained my side and nothing you said disproved anything I said and almost everyone I’ve talked to agrees this was one of the worst comics out there so your opinion doesn’t mean much to me no matter how much you repeat yourself. There’s nothing left to say and I see no reason to go back and forth with you, I’ve learned my lesson of trying to do that in the past I’m done conversing with brick walls.
If you want to be triggered by popular consensus go ahead but don’t put it on me.
Funny, a lot of the people I’ve talked to after Ive pointed out their grievence flaws with this arc say the same thing…Running out of further counter arguments, just stubborn attitude that doesn’t convince me even you honestly believe your own words without a solid reason.
It’s not a perfect arc, but as I pointed out, the hate fiesta some derpibooru users have for this arc is almost completely meaningless. Especially considering the far lower standards of reformation in the show.
I disagree with all of that, now I’m going to let this year old thread die.
Iron Will IS immoral, just mostly the scam artist type. I raised my eyebrow as well at Iron Will doing this type of crime, but then I remembered getting physical and intimidating is his second method of ascerting himself.
Either way, I’m not going to weep for Iron Will’s bad decisions. He wasn’t held at gunpoint to commit crimes, and he aint exactly a paragon of morality.
Both Sombra and Radiant Hope were victims of the old princesses negligence. Add to that Twilight shooting Hope in the chest, and there was not much in good conscience any of the princesses could do to punish them after Radiant Hope did her best to reform one of the big bads of Equestria, and succeeded when Sombra was willing to sacrifice his life to banish the umbra for all time.
And yet with all that they had done to turn things around, Reformed Sombra and Radiant Hope STILL put themselves into exile from the Crystal Empire until they found enough pieces to restore Princess Amore. Kudos to them.
And S4 Discord? After OPENLY betraying all of Equestria to a freaking demon lord, he gives flowers to Celestia and nobody ever mentions his betrayal again. Uhhhhh huh.
None of the redemptions are perfect, but Sombra and Hope’s are written a HELL of a lot better then some of MLP:FIM villain reformations.
So I’m REALLY not seeing the ‘no punishment’ stuff you keep spouting.
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While his smoke could take brief pony form, it wasn’t permanently solid, he had to exist flas a living shadow for 1 thousand years. The spell Hope needed years to create would restore his pure physical body.
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I honestly have no idea what your talking about with your last paragraph, or how it’s in any way relevant.
Before his umbra corruption, he looked as shown above with no crown. He then got a crown, kingly hair and outfit, and a wild demonic look due to his corruption. Without the corruption, he would obviously look similar to good king sombra. Duh.
No contradiction, and its barely an important topic anyway.
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And to all people who thinks Sombra should have died at the end, 1) It’s about time the princesses did SOMETHING useful, and 2) He was already blown to bits in his premier episode. Killing him twice would just be overkill.
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Iron Will wasn’t immoral and they still committed serious crimes and were instantly forgiven just like Starlight.
Hope doesn’t get punished and the story always portrays her as right when she clearly isn’t.
Sombra had a form beyond smoke, we’ve seen it twice, so I have no idea what you are on about. The reason people like him is because of his pure villain nature all this did was woobie him.
They completely changed the way he looked in the end into the mirror verse version which made no sense because he never looked like that in this comic at any point, even as a kid he looked like show Sombra, there is no excuse.
Sorry for the necropost but I’m really trying to understand your complaints.
“they committed severe crimes and even dragged others who were previously not even villains into it”
They convinced immoral people to act like immoral people with barely any convincing, and did it under controlled circumstances that Sombra would kick them all out regardless before anybody got seriously hurt. It was Sombra himself that turned Celestia and Luna to stone, and getting through to Sombra was her goal so she could sort everything out. Both her and Sombra were screwed over by the princesses in the past, and after 1000 years of exile, she wasn’t very trusting of their #@*&-ups. But she didn’t want anyone hurt permanently either, and nobody did.
“Hope is a “can do no wrong” character”
That isn’t even remotely true. She’s not starlight. Her initial plan went well but when she met with Cadence she immediately wanted to work things out smoothly to try and help Sombra, the poines and the Umbra, and eventually convince Sombra to let them go. There was no ‘can do no wrong’ scenario. When Hope showed Cadence the Umbra, a group of happy esper ponies and children, it was only Cadence’s bloodline magic from Amore that undid their ‘glamour’ showing their true faces and true intentions. It wasn’t her fault in the way that she had any way of knowing, but she still screwed up royally.
“if they had just kept the way he looked at least it could be forgivable but they didn’t even keep the signature look he’s basically not even Sombra.”
What on EARTH are you talking about?
Sombra? We only knew Sombra as a disembodied cloud of smoke that could barely take pony form and was trapped without a body for a thousand years. He was a snarling mass of smoke screaming “crystals” and “slaves” and the like. The Crystal Empire episode itself was more flawed than we already know if you were looking for Sombra’s characterization before his death. Cause Sombra HAD NONE in the show.
Sombra didn’t ‘suddenly’ become a good guy. Hope was a link to the past where Sombra WAS a good guy. In the present, when he was just revived, he just wanted to strike down his enemies with impunity, and as thanks for her saving him and their past love, take Radiant Hope as his Queen. When things had gotten so bad as when Twilight shot Hope and the reluctant Sombra finally decided to release the Umbra, it was basically game over. He was the king, he had everyone’s lives in his hands, and all he had to do was say the word. But his Queen voiced how she had hoped their was something left in his heart more then conquest but was beginning to doubt it, berrating herself for believing in him, and it struck Sombra deeply because Hope knew his real self before the Umbra corruption.
When Sombra tried to convince her that it was his destiny to become a monster, Hope put her foot down before the final rebellion that she didn’t believe in destiny at all. The destiny to be a princess, the destiny to be monster, it was all self-fulfilling prophesy hogwash and that we control our own destiny. She didn’t want to be a princess anymore, and Sombra didn’t have to be a monster. And she would stand by him for as long as it took for him to understand that, and it worked.
Nobody said that Radiant Hope did nothing wrong. She did a lot of law breaking, nothing compared to most of the other villains that got reformed without even a slap on the wrist instead of walking the earth searching for Amore’s redemption, but to right the wrongs the princesses did, since Sombra’s madness and villainy was directly due to their negligence, she did all right.
It still could have been done more naturally, the comics may have shown his origin but it was the Sombra from the show people liked by changing him into something else let alone something they made up is a pretty poor way to do it, if they had just kept the way he looked at least it could be forgivable but they didn’t even keep the signature look he’s basically not even Sombra.
As for the theme of friendship and understanding they don’t show that for Chrysalis or her changelings so I guess some can be considered worth understanding and others aren’t even when they deserve it. I better stop now before I go into a huge rant about this again. I’m done with the show and the comics and I don’t need to go through this again.
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But it’s not like his character changed completely. He just reverted back to the way he was before turning evil. It would’ve made less sense if he was still acting evil even though he was reformed. And I do agree sombra dieing would’ve been a better ending, this ending still has a special place in mlp. After all, you’re forgetting the main theme with mlp is friendship and understanding.
Hope is a “can do no wrong” character that was inserted to be an anchor for Sombra, which was completely unnecessary. Where did I say Discords redemption was okay? It was rushed beyond belief and very unbelievable, don’t even get me started on Starlight’s “reformation”. The crappy redemptions of others does not justify bad writing for another.
Sombra was completely changed and I’m glad you brought up Vadar because they didn’t change Vadar he performed a good deed and then died making his last action a good one before he passed on without completely altering his character, the comic almost did that too Sombra tried to sacrifice himself his last deed to redeem himself without completely and unbelievably altering his character but then that meaningful ending that could have been was just a tease as Hope proceeds to royally botch it.
Hope sacrificed her destiny to become a princess for the one she loves. And sombra learned a valuable lesson as well as correcting what he had done. And don’t act like its the first time redeemed villains in mlp are forgiven without punishment. Look at discord. They had been through enough suffering as it is. And it doesn’t ruin sombras character. He has the presence of sauron and the backstory of darth Vador. Vador also changed and did the right thing. That’s literally how sombras backstory was inspired. While I do agree this comic itself isn’t very good, the story centering sombra was. That is, if you keep an open mind
EXACTLY.
Not really, they committed severe crimes and even dragged others who were previously not even villains into it and potentially murdered a princess, they got no punishment for anything they did.
They woobied a perfectly good villain, the only thing that almost saved it was Sombra’s sacrifice but his OC girlfriend threw a tantrum and said no and denied a meaningful ending for a lazy one and utterly ruined Sombra as a character in the comics by completely changing him. So no a happy ending is the last thing they deserve.
Instead of a bittersweet ending that would have suited the character and tied up loose ends
We instead got the saccharine polyanna letdown that was the actual ending.