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I’m proud of you.
(Shrug) Well since your only intent is to object to me, the solution is simple.
….We don’t talk.
See? Keeps things simple, and we both can skip a hostile conversation. Win-win.
Good night.
People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. And before you go on some long and overly personal rant about why I’m “objectively wrong”, know that I expect it, and am prepared to ignore every attack you lob at me.
A wee bit overdramatic don’t you think? When I called you a drama queen, 9 days later you give me an outdated response that’s even more melodramatic? Especially since its an inherently old and flawed response even if you did mean it.
Short explanation, we don’t know each other!!
Long explanation? Let me explain…
….
And the original argument? Abandoned. You don’t even cite popular opinion or anything worthwhile, you just say you could counter my arguments but you don’t want to. (Not that settling the argument that’s dragged out long enough isn’t preferable, especially with two people with completely different mindsets…) but instead of acting like a civil person and suggesting we ‘agree to disagree’, a BEYOND EASY way to become closer to being friends without further discussions, you wait for 9 days and reply with this manipulative comment.
So let me nip it in the bud right now….We. don’t. know. each other!!
If I gave you that EXACT same reply for the 2nd paragraph(which another could easily do since you seem to be projecting quite a bit), and if I was known as a compulsive liar, the “The fact you’ll probably dismiss this just makes it hurt more.”…. would mean nothing.
Truth, even more so then sarcasm, is nearly impossible to translate over the internet. We type whatever we want to anonymous people we don’t know! And trolls and liars find that VERY empowering. I don’t know you and you don’t know me, so your second paragraph, especially the last sentence, carries no weight. When you say “That’s a big deal for me”, its just words. What few discussions I have had with you suggest the exact opposite, so not only do we not know each other, what little I do don’t suggest any truth.
…
An apology like the first paragraph comes with the intent to clear the air on the issue, which I would of been happy to accept on its own. It also has the benefit of making you seem like the “bigger man”, but that’s the thoughts of a skeptic so I usually discard them. We could of tried one more time to discuss things leaving both our egos at the door, and try to find some common ground. I have been wrong many times before, and will be wrong many times in the future. Or, as I mentioned before, we could of tired ending the conversation civilized.
That’s why we use phrases like “I apologize, let’s start over” if you want to restart on a clean slate, or “Lets agree to disagree” if you want to end on a clean slate. CIVILITY. Don’t act pretentious.
But your second paragraph goes on about how, despite you clearing the air on one issue in the first paragraph, you say you don’t want to clean the air at all and that its impossible.
Afterall you JUST said you “lashed out inappropriately”, causing discord and miscommunication. So your second paragraph, immediately comes across as contradictory even if we disregarded everything in point 1).
…
Point is, we have different mindsets and we just have to live with that. You don’t want to continue this Starlight debate, and neither do I. So let’s just agree to disagree. Deal?
I apologize, we both read the persons “more thought” statement in two totally different ways. When you agreed with him, I read it as you agreeing with the way I read it, and not the way you understood it. It came across very elitist to me, and when you agreed with him, so did you. It didn’t occur to me that we could have both read his statement differently, so I lashed out inappropriately. I’m sorry.
I could say some things. A lot of things. I could try to argue my position, or point out the flaws in your response, or even try and reach something of an understanding. But I don’t want to, because for the first time in this fandom, I’ve met someone I have no desire to get along with. Thats a first, no matter how different the opinions, or how aggressive or confrontational the argument, I’ve always been able to part amicably, until now. That’s a big deal for me, I like to get along with people, it’s my biggest problem with incessant criticism so prevalent in this fandom, it doesn’t do anything but drive people apart. I want everyone to have fun and be friends, isn’t that what the show is supposed to be about, having a good time? But everything in your response, both of them, screams a person who’s more interested in winning an argument than getting along with others. So I’ll let you win. Because I don’t think it’s worth my time or energy to try and be friends. The fact you’ll probably just dismiss this just makes it hurt more.
Agree to disagree. :)
I dunno. That’s the impression I (and others) have gotten. I personally think it’s crystal clear that while she’s friends with them she’s not super close to them nor do I think she’s meant to be. But whatever. if you don’t feel it, fine. I’m not gonna drag this on or argue about this because I know it’ll go nowhere. Agree to disagree, Okay? Okay.
(Let’s promise to keep calm during this convo.)
Id say that that’s an interesting and intelligent approach to observing Starlight’s character…but it has some major flaws, some of which you just mentioned yourself.
As Trixie and Maud’s friendship with Starlight episodes demonstrated in the “show don’t tell variety”, Starlight has actual no issues from being treated differently. If anything she herself is confused because in her mind the other shoe has already dropped yet it almost never does, even her old villaige practically wants her back as mayor. Sunburst’s reactions around Starlight are unusally neutral for a once best friend, and Trixie is the only one of those you listed that actual connect in a non forced manner.
Then there’s the issue you listed…the characters you know would try to connect to someone who IS in their circle officially….don’t. And vice verca.
She’s got all the benefits of being friends of the protagonists without the actual friendship involved. It usually denotes lack of effort, whether placed on the writer, the character or both.
The main characters intimitely trust her with huge events yet based on her lack of unique bonds with them we never now why. It isn’t the Starlight Glimmer show, but her side entourage of friends, beyond Trixie, rarely get involved due to her.
I get the angle your getting at, but it hasn’t shown up. Shes not the new leader of the B squad of misfits, which would be more interesting, she has only B squad association with the A team but with A team recognition and involvement.
The picture your giving me is way better then what is shown in the show.
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What if she’s not meant to be that close to the mane 5? What if wasn’t the point at all? It seems to me that Starlight’s circle of friends mainly consists of ponies who, for one reason or another, can’t connect with many others. Like herself (as established in No Second Prances). What if the reoccurring supporting character’s connects with other reoccurring supporting character’s (Sunburst, Trixie, Thorax, Discord). It seems to me that you (and many others) expected her to be like Sunset and be as close to the mane 5 as much as Twilight and think that’s essential to her arc. But I don’t think the writers wanted to go that route. It seems they want to have a character with a different/oddball approach to things. Ergo, connecting with other different/oddball individuals.
That said, I wonder why she hasn’t made some sort of connection with Pinkie Pie or Fluttershy. Pinkie’s really freewheeling with who she befriends and Fluttershy’s is a complete sweetheart who’s best friends with Discord of all people.
Agreed. I noticed that between the two of us, our comments were getting overly confrontational, which is why I pointed out a common ground we both agree on. I will try not to be at each other’s throats.
@starslayer159
This is an interesting conversation, but please try to keep it civil.
>Do not actually play this game
Top kek!! XD
Heck YOU have listed your own reasons for why Starlight Glimmer is a badly written character.
Despite being shown a brief montage of her bonding closely with all the main characters at the end of S5, you have criticized that she has barely associated with any of the main cast besides Twilight and Spike. That is a legitimate point to the lack of effort in her writing.
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“ “Divisive” You really love using this word. Except, people aren’t divided on Starlight, only a small number have any real problem with her.”
A statement without proof, just a spin. It would be interesting if that was the case, but everything I’ve seen points to that being incorrect. For example, a Strawman could argue that Teen Titans Go isn’t a hated or divisive show because most of their youtube clips have more then 50% likes. But we both know that such a Strawman argument holds no weight, and there are other factors besides youtube likes.
“For example, please stop with the “badly written” shtick”
No.
Short enough answer for you?
There is no reason not to call her badly written. But I’m not going to entertain your self-imposed ignorance by you pretending you don’t know why many people find her badly written, comparatively far more badly written then most reoccuring characters in MLP thus far. You can find scores of lists on this site describing why. Not every argument will be a legitimate reason of course, but you’d find more then enough common threads with strong arguments.
Your mentality is confrontational and dismissive. You hate the idea of a large group of people hating a character you like, so you act like a strawman.
That isn’t my problem. You have to sort out your own confrontational issues. I am not your therapist.
“That doesn’t make you more intelligent”
Of course not. Get off your soapbox, drama queen. Not every reviewer that hates Starlight is innately more intelligent then the people who don’t. That’s a dumb assumption(and a transparently dumb reversal on your part) What I am saying is that, in general, the opinions of reviewers who put a lot of thought into why they dislike Starlight are going to be more intelligent then the thoughts of people who put little thought into defending Starlight.
The thoughts, not the people.
So yes, the thoughts with more thought put into them are generally going to be more intelligent then then thoughts with little thought put into them. Its not a 100% certain of course, but its true enough in general. For example, a person who hates Starlight Glimmer ONLY because she has a similar name to Twilight Sparkle, and no other reason? That’s the sort of opinion that should be ignored.
There is no “objective right” regarding the quality of a fictional character. Just arguments. But characters like Starlight Glimmer from MLP:FiM and Chloe from Fairly Odd Parents have accumulated quite an enormous amount of strong arguments overtime pointing to lack of effort and quality in their writing.
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Tell you what. The moment that the amount of overall good quality writing exceeds the bad for Starlight Glimmer, I’ll stop criticizing her AND I’ll encourage others to do the same. I made the same promise for EG1 Sunset, and I kept that promise. I’ll do the same for Starlight.
Only time will tell. I’m not going to say Starlight Glimmer will NEVER be a well written character.
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Not really.
“Divisive” You really love using this word. Except, people aren’t divided on Starlight, only a small number have any real problem with her. Which means if she’s truly divisive, it isn’t because of her, or how she written, but because that small handful of people won’t let go and move on, and instead do everything they can to start drama.
For example, please stop with the “badly written” shtick, it’s been old since Cadance and Shining Armor. Why do you have to use the most dismissive and insulting way to express your opinion, “I don’t like this,” is a simple opinion, one that can start a discussion. “This is bad writing,” is a judgment, and one that pushes people into an argument instead of friendly debate. If you want a less divisive fandom, I suggest you start with yourself, instead of blaming it on a make-believe horse girl.
@CronoM
@Tumblr Feminism Is A joke
@CronoM
Holy crap, that utter lack of self awareness.
Yes, you have your reasons for not liking this cartoon character. You made sure to let everyone know what they are before, and I’m certain you’ll be sure to let everyone know in the future. That doesn’t make you more intelligent, or mean you’ve put more thought into the matter than people who do like her. (as you seem to think since you agreed with the person who said just that)
And I can’t wait to see you double down on your elitism where you once again list all your “reasons” for why you’re right and everyone else just needs to “start thinking.” Just because you have “reasons” doesn’t make you “right.”
And going by your logic, there’s no such thing as negative change, just change in general. Yet there are many popular long running shows that started off simple and grew and gave changes while staying popular WITHOUT really divisive problems.
And if their opinions shouldn’t matter at all, yours shouldn’t matter at all either correct?
All of your logic is completely backwords.
@Tumblr Feminism Is A joke
Indeed.
@greaterlimits
“Knee jerk reactions”…refurring to many youtubers who have developed their dislike for Starlight over long periods of time and thought.
“Pointless hatred”…refurring to many youtubers who don’t like a character with divisively very bad writing have such an intrusive presence in one of their favorite shows, i.e important enough, and quite literally have many points for why they don’t like her.
…Might want to put a little more “thought” into your own criticisms before you criticize others for not thinking enough. Just because some people don’t have the same opinion as you on a fictional character is not an excuse to insult their intelligence with insults that don’t even make any sense.
Well. I do think of the show in terms of literary development, and while I feel Starlight’s change from villain to lead is rushed, I don’t hate her as much as most YouTubers.
I don’t hate her even though I admit she is somewhat flawed.
Knee-jerk reactions and pointless hatred of characters is a trait you’d associate with someone who does not think, rather than someone who does.
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I personally find the whole thing hilarious. Bronies hate change, that’s really all it is. People have been complaining ever since Shining Armor and Princess Cadance were introduced in the season 2 finale.
Meanwhile if the plots of the oft-beloved season 1 were hashed today, they’d be cited as bad writing because the plots are stupid and easily resolved. People seem to, through rose-colored glasses, view season 1’s writing as somehow nuanced and interesting compared to now.
In reality, season 1 was disorganized chaos at best and the writers had no idea what they were doing because everything was new. Everyone forgets how the name “Merriweather Williams” used to equal “bad episode” in those days. Season 1 wasn’t well written at all. It was charming and cute, and above all funny. But the plots weren’t going to win awards for brilliance despite what some people seem to think.
In fact, Friendship is Magic still largely upholds what made it great back then, depending on if you still find it charming and funny. What the folks on YouTube don’t understand is that the show lost its shine for them when it didn’t go the way they wanted it to, and there’s nothing wrong with that. But they really don’t need to continue to slam everything they don’t like because it’s pretty obvious that they don’t like anything at all after that turning point. A turning point that, for some, came as early as halfway through season 2 when Lauren left the show.
Those that overdo the hate often also pretend that you can only like one or the other. They are both in my Top 10.
I guarantee it. Starlight is just the latest change, bronies don’t like change.