@cheezedoodle  
Eh I guess this OP post serves its purpose then.

@Sanagi 蛹  
Dems kicked ass in the midterm elections.

@cheezedoodle  
In what term, exactly?

This post aged well.

lol nobody in america is being killed for their beliefs

politicians do not enter office to offer help to people; their only goal is to push their agenda and personal interests, even if costs us our freedom.
 
Donald Trump isn’t like that, though. why do you think he’s hated by even his fellow Republicans? (well, most of them.)

@Amethyst_Crystal  
I find it disturbing that the Democrats have monopolized the term “Progressive” onto their platform,I blame the right for sticking with the term “Conservatives” which at best implies stagnation and at worse regression. Terms and names are important in politics after all but rarely accurately represent the ideas they claim to.
 
I’m not going to get into why I lament at the outbreak of “Progressive “politics in our system since I know that will only bring further rants. I don’t think its Crazy to consider the left overtaking the right to the point of dominance,already leftist ideas have flourished in the last few decades to the point that concepts that were was once radical in the eighties are now mainstream and this has been the pattern all over the western world where the left thrives in the academia and institutions and have built up the rhetoric and academic terminology to built a sphere of legitimacy that the right cannot replicate for their ideas. The right on the other hand has stagnated and mostly tried to revive old ideas that no longer fit the reality,essentially reacting to leftist gains and failing to counter the left on its failures and empower their own ideology.
 
I speak this in a very broad and general sense of course as it is too complex for full discussion but if Trump was the Best the Right could do(or even Jeb Bush before Trump became the front runner)then the right is doomed. Think of this way,on the radical fringes of the right you have memespecracy theorist like Alex Jones and sock and sandle wearing overweight Klansman with edge boys holding tiki Torches Chanting “Hail Trump”. A spectacle but something that has little substance politically or long term serviceability,they will look even more ridiculous in 10 years.
 
The fringes of the left however have the burgeoning “Democratic Socialist” who have made unprecedented gains in the elections and have achieved massive influence over the youth that many are wondering if they will supplant the democrats politically and ideology. Their well organized, highly motivated, with fresh energy and all the romanticized ideals of Socialism as well as holding the most important thing that the right fringe does not,legitimacy. They have no rival on the right(the alt-right is a joke)and many of them further push “Progressive” policies,rallied and inspired every time the Clown Trump bungles up again. Unfortunately these same people have all the flaws of the “revolution” that so many far left groups have had in history. They see everything in terms of black and white with all their enemies being Fascist Nazis and the world being stuck waiting for the “revolution”.
 
Checking their social media you’ll find that many in these growing fringes who associate with the DS proclaim vitriol and rhetoric of a magnitude as vile and ignorant as the worst of /POL/ but thanks to their legitimacy from the academia this is not an issue. One has only to look at Venezuela to see what becomes of a nation when such radicalism manages to gain legitimate power and through “progressive” and “revolutionary” agendas restructure society to their ideals. And how when things go wrong,how quickly they double down on their ideology and bring out the batons “in the name of the people”. You many think this is Improbable but I see it more likely than Trump somehow introducing a fascist state in America in the next two years. Perhaps I am wrong but I see the potential is there and I am disturbed others do not and that no reliable check appears to be in sight for this possibility.
 
I think you can agree at least it is never good when one party holds overwhelming power and from what I see the right is poised to collapse politically which will lead to the entrance of an unprecedented ascension for the left to expand and dominate and from there,who knows what will happen.

@lasty  
You’re right, it would be helpful to speak of more specific matters,  
like universal healthcare and stamping out racism, etc.
 
@Antonyourknee  
I mean, you make some wise and valid points about long-term politics,  
but last I checked there’s a lot of progressive democrats cropping up now and getting involved in the democrat party.  
But if you think America is going to suddenly be rid of the deeply ingrained white supremacy problem and be replaced with an equally as bad hardcore communist (or other extreme leftist) situation, you’re crazy.

@redweasel  
I’m just glad we were able to be civil.

@Antonyourknee
 
well, I’m not a troll, so I won’t sit here provoking you. sorry if you think my wry jibes were in poor taste. can’t please everyone, I suppose!

@redweasel  
I’m sure your a troll of some sort. As your “arguments” are little more than putting words in my mouth and poor sarcasm. Trump may have some talent at being a real estate manager and a reality television star(which tend to be a paradise for fools) but most of his other businesses have been flops and his real strength has been creating an image of being a mega successful businessman. Fair enough until he went into politics where despite his own claims of being a stable political genius,he is very much not so. He could have avoided most of his current political problems easily by taking a more practical tone and working with more conservative factions of the democrats to build up a united front that could form a new caucus in congress to get agenda done among other things. That was what he claimed to be able to do,to be the deal maker…Alas no major legislation has been passed besides a controversial law that will hardly win any elections for the republicans. Most of his moves have been executive orders that will be overridden by the next president as he did to Obama’s Executive orders. The Fact that he sill wants a wall shows how out of it he is.
 
Also Trump is not really that Super rich,He has about 4 billion(a lot of money yes) or so dollars but there are 560 billionaires in the U.S…and many are self made guys who started out as middle class and made whole new industries(Musk,Bezos,Bill Gates). A guy like Bloomberg who has his own News channel and was a centrist Mayor of New York could be considered a financial genius,Trump…not so. And as for waiting for us to let our guard down…what? He’s gonna pull a 4d chess move on us all? Why wait for after the midterms? Why let a controversy every week happen? Why get the entire media to hate him? All part of the 4d chess Checkmate plan he’s gonna pull? I doubt it.
 
I never claimed power or a want for it was evil. It just human nature to want as much power as you can get for your cause. To secure a legacy,the potential to do good(or exploit). When you have that perspective as you think of how political Organizations work,you can end up seeing why they do a lot of things they do and why so many things they try tend not to work out a they wanted. I’m sure Aid NGOs would love the power to run a third world country so they can build it up the way they want it to help the people. Religions want as much power as they can get to save their followers souls and political part9es would love a one party state thinking it can regulate itself and adapt to all problems so they can govern effectively without pressure. Alas these hopes never work out and human nature takes its course to cause conflict in these efforts for different ideology,Egos, or just plain human greed and selfishness.
 
I don’t believe the want of power is neither evil or good but I believe that no current political or social ideology in the mainstream (Capitalism,Democratic socialism,Conservatism,Progressiveism)has the means or foresight to really pull mankind out of the mess were in right now and we have to hope that soon enough one will come about that can prove itself a viable path and we can work with it to solve the worlds problems on a scale currently impossible due to the stagnating and conflict ridden politics of the West. maybe something like that is already in the works,just not yet visible.
 
All In All I rate your comment 0/10.

@Antonyourknee
 

I’m sure donald trump got fabulously wealthy, being orders of magnitude more successful than all of us combined, just by accident. it’s not like he’s a genius level tactician whose brilliant cunning has kept him impossibly rich among that backstabbing group of super elites who stole our economy. nope, he’s just a flailing idiot, who totally isn’t just acting that way to get everyone’s guard down.

yeah because it’s not like you’ve been misled to think that all groups hate freedom, by the groups who hate freedom silencing the groups who don’t. we should reject everyone trying to solve these problems as deceptive and insincere, because since power is “evil,” unless we make ourselves totally powerless and easy to subjugate, then we’re evil!

@DiscipleOfAndrewRyan  
I wasn’t sure if your were praising Ronald Reagan or insulting him with sarcasm about his political experience which is why I wanted further clarification
 
You are stating that you don’t need political experience to hold the office of the presidency or many other offices which is true. I’m not sure what that has to do with my comment since I didn’t talked about political experience being needed to be a “good” leader. Two of the guys I gave as examples never even held a political office.
 
It was their foresight in problems society had and their tact in their methods that allowed to achieved great things that perpetuated American eminence. Political experience is always appreciated but too often ,especially now politicians stay in their fields of politics and offices without accomplishing anything to justify such chronic intimacy in our social systems. And often they only bring destabilizing elements such as corruption and identity politics to further fortify their position. Elements that are Nothing new individually to politics but now they are interlocked in unprecedented way via social media and Victim and outrage culture which sets a degrading effect on our society as a whole.

@Antonyourknee  
YOU DO NOT NEED POLITICAL KNOWLEDGE OR EXPERIENCE TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE PRESIDENCY _{(or any other seat in office, as mayor or senator, for that matter)}. the only prerequisites ^{(that I know)} are that you must be at least thirty-five years of age and have been born in the United States of America. I can’t get anymore clearer than that.
 
also, I don’t remember anything in the Constitution along the lines of “requiring political knowledge to run for office” regarding holding positions in government.

@DiscipleOfAndrewRyan  
Are their further implication with this comment?

@Antonyourknee  
you do know you don’t need experience in politics to be President of the United States. just look at Ronald Reagan.
 
_^joj

@Amethyst_Crystal  
Trump is a bumbling fool who’s done more to rally his political opponents than his own “allies”. The left happily uses all the ammo he gives them which he seems incapable If recognizing or stopping. He’s an incompetent politician who due to his failures to achieve any long lasting legislation will leave little substance after his presidency. He wants power and lies but he’s so bad at it that when people try to brand him as a fascists or dictator I can only assume they have no context for how real dictatorships work and what they can do.(Look to Venezuela to see just how horrible an “elected” regime can be while it spiels out terms like Hope,Love,Friendship,For the people and all that stuff.)
 
Would he want dictatorial power? Sure, but I believe so would have Hillary,Bernie,Bush and Obama. All groups,even anarchist will always seek to secure more power for their cause officially or informally, regardless of their rhetoric of Democracy or freedom(how those concepts have been so abused in history…) Sadly there is almost no one currently in America politics young or old who offers anything that can really bring us back from Trump. Every candidate seems to be mired in Identity politics with no want to move away from it. America use to have such People like Lincoln,George Kennan,MLK who could see the future and could lead us to be a better nation,sadly it wasn’t enough. Now either these type of guys are buried in all the outrage and fake news or just don’t exist,they certainty aren’t on the ballot. Its Like America lost its talent. And yet our social and political elite are all still so happy to praise themselves and celebrate their own greatness as nothing meaningful is achieved everyday. It won’t be elections that will get us out of this muck at this rate,something will have to give.
 
Don’t be afraid of Trump,be afraid of what comes after Trump and the world he let loose.

@Amethyst_Crystal  
If you’re using terms like “hope and love” as things you want to prop up, that at least means you see value in them, at least in broad terms. Nothing wrong with that.
 
Yeah, you definitely don’t want to be too…(ahem) polite in how you express your politics. (i had to)

@lasty  
@Antonyourknee
 
Look, I admit that fiery passionate rhetoric and casual use of terms like ‘hope’ and ‘love’,  
is like cliche shallow politics 101.
 
But I’d rather be passionate about how much I oppose and hate the vicious evil perpeutated by Trump and his ilk,  
than keep being polite about it!
 
It’s not like anyone who’s still all in for Trump was going to be swayed by such passion in the first place,  
it’s the undecideds and independents I speak to.  
It’s those with a real sense of morality and justice that I speak to.
 
And yes, some of them may be put off by the passionate rhetoric.  
Well, they’re welcome to sit on their hands and re-enact 1930s Germany indifference.  
Let’s see how that turns out for all of us.

@redweasel  
I wouldn’t like to go too far into any historical analogies as we live in an almost completely different world than even our parents with so many new concepts,institutions,devices and values that our society more resembles an almost proto-singularity era if you will.
 
I do feel current social concepts on “progressive” and “conservative” ideals are untenable for not just a functioning society but one needing to advance and unify to deal with current world problems like over population,pollution,climate change and technological dependency. If some new perspective doesn’t come along that can “reconstruct” (acknowledge the flaws and triumphs of our past and build on them for a better future)our society and set it on a better path, The I am certain that our society as we know it will collapse in a few decades be it economically and or culturally. God knows what will happen then.
 
The Amish will probably be okay though.

@Antonyourknee
 
so, basically trump is kaiser wilhelm II and the left want to form the next weimar republic?
 
quite honestly without the treaty of versailles to impose crippling debt, and a foreign superpower to have an economic crash, I can’t really see how that would lead to the kind of desperate blame game that brought germany to their worst mistake in history. then again, china could always have itself a Great Depression…

@Amethyst_Crystal  
I’m my opinion “love” and “hope” have become just as weoponized concepts as “fear” and “hate”. If you actually think any party,especially the democrats are giving us concepts that will make us a better nation with their “progressive” retoric ( which for all their use of terms like “hope” and “love” I find can be just as hypocritical,ingnorant and short sighted if not more so than as all the rethoric on the right) then I can become only become more despondent at our detrorating situation in the US.
 
Trump will crash and burn in two years becuse he has no real plan or base and just taking advantage of “conservative” desperation at having lost the culture war to exercise power. When he gets voted out,then no one will care for him and you can bet every republican who supported him will be yapping at how they never liked him all along. The right is near finished in this country and will soon be isolated to increasingly shrinking rural areas and 4chan. Trump was their last desperate gamble that will not pay off and they have failed to put up any practical alternative to the democrats who as you showcased have managed to gain a monopoly on “hope” and “love”, concepts more powerful than any bomb or money becuse they can manipulate people so easily and anyone who opposes these concepts are “evil”. And since the left now control what “hope” and “love” means…they control the morals of society,more so than religion. They already have the youth in their pocket and “minority” groups which every years grows bigger in some form.
 
The left are poised to take control of American society on an unprecedented scale and to me that’s something very few people(outside screeching alt-righters) seem to care or be concern about since as far they think the left is nothing but freedom,liberation,empowerment,progress,Hope,Love and all the other terms they have appropriated to the point of meaningless. It’s a simple look to history and very much the present to see that’s not true and that the left has just as much rascism,hatred,ingnorance,incompetence and extremism as the right just better molded to the new social norms and thus not visible. I blame The right and the centrist who felt the status quo would be forever and lost the future before Trump ever nominated himself.

@Amethyst_Crystal  
It’s a skosh on the silly side. It’s a good thing democrats would never vote solely or mostly out of disdain for that one guy with all the red hats!  
I’m really not trying to make this a big debate and I’m not saying this because I’m on one side or the other. And I meant it when I said that voting for memes and “owning the libs” was silly and short-sighted. But to imply that voting to “own” the other side or for spite or based on something other than policy is strictly a republican thing is just unfair.

@Antonyourknee  
True.  
Now the question is:  
which one is correct?
 
That really depends on one major thing:  
Do you embrace fear and hate? Congrats, you may as well become a republican.  
Do you embrace hope and love? Congrats, you may as well become a democrat.
 
Two or so years ago, I would’ve said this is kind of an extreme partisan rhetoric to say.  
I would’ve said the content of the OP is extreme partisan excess, too.
 
But I’ve been watching that piece of shit Trump,  
and his worthless republican party doing NOTHING to stop his shit,  
and also invoking some evil shit for themselves too, so!

Somewhere somepony is giving the exact same speech with the platforms reversed.