[Closed] /pol/ Thread Simulator - 2016 Edition

@Greg Universe  
I see. I’d pray that either the staff lives long enough to stall it or there are enough people opposing the repeal. Or that Trump is lying and only did that to garner a few more votes and that he actually wants to maintain gay marriage.

@Background Pony #4641
 
The “indivdual states decide” is what he was probabaly talking about. however, most of those that already didn’t allow such a thing before 2015 would certainly care enough to make things go back to the way they were before the average people there start to get used to it;

@Greg Universe  
I was talking about the “second class citizen” bit in your unedited post and besides everyone in this race is an enormous liar, you would have to have been living under a rock to not know that. :I

@Greg Universe  
Greg, ur back :D

@Background Pony #4641
 
Getting less rights than everyone else due to my sexuality would absolutely make me a second-class citizen. It’s an apt description.

@Mildgyth  
Well the thing is that most of them already converted their system to allow gay marriage and only the ones that really cared about it are going to go through all the trouble to change it back at this stage.
 
@NotYourAverageLurker  
Well he was apparently in favor of trans rights and has accepting of endorsements by LGBT groups so idk what his position is honestly.

@Greg Universe  
An apt but rather misleading one as it tends to imply far worse things than being denied a single very minor thing that honestly the government shouldn’t have control over, in my perfect world he would repeal it as a precursor to removing it entirely…

@Background Pony #4641  
He has a Vice President who supports Gay Conversion Therapy

@Background Pony #4641
 
It isn’t minor at all if I’m fundamentally unequal to straight people under the law.

@Background Pony #4641
 
You really underestimate how much they really care about that. if they unwillingly bothered to convert their system to allow that, they wouldn’t mind reversing that willingly.

@Commune  
And a vice president has no real power so long as Ttrump still lives.

@Background Pony #4641  
But it shows what type of person Trump is that he had a guy like that be his buddy

We did it fam!  

 
Pence is the perfect assassination shield. Just imagine him on the warpath with a mandate to Cleanse The Filth if they managed to kill Trump!

@Commune  
Sounds like a decent anti-assassination threat, when you think about it.
 
“If you shoot Trump, than the man who will replace him will screw people even deeper!”

@Mildgyth  
Perhaps I do, I will admit that I try to see the good in people perhaps too often, but so long as they listen to the will of the majority I think that most states will still be fine and the ones that will care deeply about it enough to change it back were probably going to look for a loophole anyway like Texas had been doing.
 
@Greg Universe  
Then move somewhere where you will be equal, it’s not like we don’t have a bunch of states that approve of that thing, heck most of them were going to legalize it anyway when the ruling came down.

@Commune  
“buddy”
 
Yeah no, they barely knew eachother before he was picked.

@Background Pony #4641
 
Moving is expensive and difficult. Uprooting my entire life, finding a new job, getting a new house… Do you think that’s easy? Something just anyone can do at the drop of a hat?
 
I shouldn’t have to move, anyway. This is my home, and I deserve to be treated as an equal here, without having to flee to a blue state to get it.

@Greg Universe  
Then feel free to protest it, I am sure that if you get enough people together they will listen.

@Background Pony #4641
 
Or go the easy way and just send the cops to beat your ass down…

@Background Pony #4641  
Protesting is for Liberals  
Revolting is when you are a true leftist

@Mildgyth  
Well that also depends on where you live, some places are more prone to that than others.
 
@Commune  
Also an option I suppose.

Not even a contest, damn. People who voted for Trump will most likely have to lay low for a few days; the backlash is looking really ugly.
 
Whatever the case, this election is a reminder that democracy is still functioning in America, even if that statement seems absurd right now. How much will Trump stay true to his words is still unknown, but I’d wager that he is ultimately going to be letting his advisors take the lead, especially on military matters.
 
Too soon to make any grand predictions and I’d wait judgement until Trump actually starts pursuing any actual political change. We’ll see how much the media was right/wrong about him soon enough; there will be no closed cabinets for him, that is for sure.

I can’t wait to see more reactions from Hollywood liberals. Twitter is becoming a full blown salt mine. Browse Sargon and Mundane Matt’s tweets to get lots of good examples of it.
 

 
Edit: Or actually just search the hashtag “Electionnight” on Twitter.

@lonewolf  
The day hasn’t even begun and there is enough salt to dry up the entire great lakes region~

@Greg Universe  
But to how many people define marriage, “gay marriage” makes just as much sense as a “blue red notebook”. I, myself, think marriage has naught to do with sexual attraction, but that the ideal is the unification of the two halves of human being, male and female, X and Y chromosome, all that stuff. So on that level it’s an issue of defining what marriage is, and my assertion is that saying it’s just two people who love each other and is valid for anyone you’re attracted to/love, is simply wrong.
 
I’m not saying you’re less human, or get less rights, or any of that horrible nonsense. I’m saying you can’t have a blue red notebook because that doesn’t make sense. From my point of view, you’re arguing that “red notebook” means something else, so you can have a blue “red notebook” since “red notebook” doesn’t refer to its color, but to some other aspect of it.
 
Then you’re saying you’re being made a second-class citizen because you can’t own a blue red notebook.
 
 
@Greg Universe  
Then obviously it isn’t such a big issue if it’s not such a problem that you need to move for it. I mean, yes, I know people can get very emotional and intense into things, but ultimately actions speak louder than words, or even feelings.
 
But when the Pilgrims in the 17th and 18th centuries faced religious persecution, they didn’t just move to a neighboring town, they sold everything they had, took a 1-way trip across an ocean to a wild, dangerous new frontier where most of them would die trying to build a civilization from the ground up.
 
When my Mormon pioneer ancestors faced religious persecution, they did similarly, fleeing into the rocky mountains.
 
Thousands of people are currently completely willing to not only move to another city, but go to another freaking planet to again, like those first pioneers, go into an extremely dangerous new world to build their own civilizations from the ground up, and many are willing to go for nothing more than the glory of being pioneers, and the name of preserving human civilization.
 
Being looked down on for how you are, what you are, is terrible and oppressive, and while I cannot empathize, I do sympathize, but I will not waver in my views of reality to cave in to a false reality that is kinder; undermining marriage and familiar relationships and ties will ultimately only cause more suffering than distorting the nature of what it is to be human. Lies can ease immediate suffering, but will ultimately cost more in the long run. I oppose cultures and ideologies that would atrociously hold you as a lesser human being, and would even support a war to fight those who would do any innocent person harm, but I won’t change the definition of marriage for emotions, however strong they may be, because marriage is sacred to me, but emotions are as the wind, and I believe humans are to be the masters of their emotions, not the reverse.
 
And I’m not even really convinced it’s a true, hard oppression, until I see that it causes so much distress that people are willing to do as so many pioneers have done before - or even less, since moving to another city within the same nation is so much easier than moving to a whole new world on a one-way trip where you will never communicate with your past world ever again. The ease with which a modern human can move from one city to another is staggering when compared to what those early pilgrims and pioneers did.
 
 
If I had to move to another city to marry a woman, I would, and the fact that I chose to go to a college halfway across the country for better odds of finding a mate, as opposed to more comfortable colleges in-state, and even ones better suited for what I wanted to study when I first went to college, is proof that I would do that. Don’t accept bad hands life gives you. You’ve got to make your desired future happen, or it won’t. Fortune favors the bold. The modern world teaches that you deserve everything. In reality, you only get what you make happen, and that’s why anything has any value at all.
 
I don’t think moving is easy, but I think when you truly desire something, you’re willing to move from a beautiful large home with spacious and ornate rooms and a beautiful view of a glistening and lush valley, to a cramped city and a tiny apartment where your room is smaller than your personal bathroom used to be (and instead of falling asleep to the sweet sounds of crickets and wind you hear construction beeping at 3am), where you work yourself exhausted, almost die a thousand miles from home, and keep going because you believe in building your own future and becoming something greater than you are right now.
 
 
@Commune  
Revolting is for when you don’t value human life and are willing to kill relatively innocent people because of your feelings.
 
I mean, it also works for when those feelings are justified because the oppressors are executing innocent people, but aside from full 1984 people disappearing in the night for saying anything bad about our grand leader and public execution parades, I despise revolutionary sentiment as it’s seeking violence where violence is not necessary.