The Crossdressing Discussion Thread

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This is a thread to civilly discuss crossdressing (Male-to-female and female-to-male). Please don’t flame or ridicule anyone. Should be an obvious rule (and it is posted as a sticky), but I just want to re-iterate it as crossdressing is a sensitive topic. I want this to be a safe place to discuss crossdressing, especially for those who may be in the closet or curious about it.
 
As you know, I’m quite open online about being a crossdresser, but surprisingly I don’t do it very often IRL due to living with a relative that is very socially conservative. I’m looking forward to the day where I can have a safe space to dress up and not have someone disown me over it because they believe it’s a sin against God. I don’t think anyone should be banned from wearing any kind of clothing based on their birth sex. Clothes are a meaning of expression and enjoyment, and if a man wants to put on dresses and panties or a woman wants to wear shirts, pants, and boxers, then they have the right to do so and no-one should have the authority to say otherwise unless it’s inappropriate (e.g. wearing nothing but lingerie to work).
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I disagree with a. I don’t think there’s evidence that crossdressing causes gender dysphoria. I might be wrong, and you’re happy to show me a connection, but I believe dysphoria exists independent of a person’s fashion preferences.
I love to crossdress and identify as genderfluid, but I don’t feel that crossdressing is turning me into a woman. My love of crossdressing has been with me since my teens, and it’ll never go away. It’s a part of me that exists regardless of my clothing choices, but it also drives me to enjoy dressing feminine. It’s not the other way around. I crossdress because I love being a female, but I didn’t become gender fluid because I started crossdressing. Instead, I discovered I was genderfluid and now happily accept it.
 
I did say “can”, very specifically.
 
a) Men who crossdress can easily become very confused about their gender, role…
 
  1. If my claim was every case, then your experience would disprove it, but since it’s not, it’s anecdotal, since it doesn’t represent every case.
     
  2. Reasons we believe we did things don’t often match the actual reasons they were done - see until 1:43. There were also other experiments that confirmed this in normal brains. Off the top of my head, I recall one where subjects had a simple goal of moving a mouse cursor to one portion of a screen. They found that if they subtly nudged the mouse to one side, the subjects would often pick that side, and later state a reason for it - they attributed a reason for doing something, when in reality, it was an outside factor that pushed them to do it.
     
    In other words, I don’t think people understand their own motivations as well as we believe - just as a simple neurological part of being human.
     
  3. Actions reinforce thoughts. In OCD, compulsions grow stronger the more they’re acted on because actions “reward” the brain for sending a signal, they strengthen pathways. This is how addictions happen, as well. Binging may temporarily satisfy a desire, but it makes the addiction stronger by reinforcing the neural pathways for it. Same applies to non-addictions - this is the basis of training and memorization.
     
    Point of number 2 is; you may think causality runs one way, but with how the brain works, it probably runs both ways. With number 3, actually cross dressing probably cemented the genderfluid perception. Neurologically speaking (and I’m just someone who’s poked into it a little, not an actual neurologist), I don’t think it was discovering yourself so much as inventing yourself. To support that claim, I cite number 3, and as to why it doesn’t feel like number 3, I cite number 2. Reason being, number 3 is just how the brain works.
     
    You can’t cross dress because you feel a desire to without reinforcing those pathways that grant that desire. In the short term, it satisfies the desire, but in the long term, it comes back stronger. That’s how the brain works. To support that claim, I cite 3 again. Feeling satisfied is a short term effect. Long term, these things tend to increase the connections.
     
 
@Ciaran  
As for why this affects men and not women, for women it’s socially acceptable. Women wear pants, no big deal. Men wear dress, everyone makes a huge deal of it - often including the person who did it, themselves, thus it affects their thoughts differently.
 
 
I want to stress something, though,
 
Overall, I’m not really against it per sae / in principle; I don’t identify crossdressing as the problem. If you do it and it doesn’t cause any issues for you, for example, then I, personally, don’t find anything wrong with it. The real problem is that people make such a huge deal over it.
 
Which is a problem in and of itself (violence, hate, discrimination) and causes secondary problems with cross dressers on some occasions.
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If I was able to crossdress/wear women’s clothing and get away with it I would. It would also increase the likelihood of me doing it again.
 
I guess it could become an addiction to me. Pretty much anything that’s enjoyable or worthwhile in life can become addicting for me. Wearing women’s clothing, browsing the internet, playing video games, eating junk food, sleeping, etc.
 
@Cirrus Light  
“ I, personally, don’t find anything wrong with it. The real problem is that people make such a huge deal over it.
 
Which is a problem in and of itself (violence, hate, discrimination) and causes secondary problems with cross dressers on some occasions. “  

 
Well yeah, that much is obvious. My own parents would throw me out of the house because they weren’t raised to see crossdressing as normal or acceptable. They would get rid of me to prevent me from causing them or the rest of the family any shame by association.
 
If I ever had any children of my own, I’m sure I would be accepting of them if they are a bit outside of societal gender norms.
 
I’m not mad or bothered by any of the stuff you said. Its kind of hard to convey tone though text alone :P
 
I’m basically agreeing with
 
  1. Might be addicting/habit forming since it feels so right.  
  2. Lots of people would give us crap for it.
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@Cirrus Light  
That is an interesting idea and it makes sense.
 
In fact, it makes sense through the fact that I never thought about crossdressing until I saw it in a movie as a teenager. Could never figure out why I wanted to do it so badly other than some hidden erotic desire (my psychiatrist gave me a different reason altogether), but once I tried on my first dress, I could never stop. This also makes me wonder if I was born or bred a crossdresser.
 
All I know is that once I started wanting to crossdress, I could never stop wanting to do it, even after years of never trying on dresses. Part of me never wanted to stop. Maybe that part was permanently addicted to it, or wanted to feel the power of being a female. Either way, it’s in me forever, and it’s easier and safer just to let it out then to hide it forever.
 
@Tragiclady  
Depends. I know some men that have tried on dresses and said it wasn’t for them. I think crossdressing is like anything in that you either like it or you don’t. If you like it, then it becomes like games or food. If you don’t, you never do it again.
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I think I kind of understand, actually.
 
 
@Tragiclady  
I’m not saying it’s addicting per sae, though it certainly can be (like anything pleasurable), it’s just I was mentioning addictions because they illustrate how taking an action reinforces the neural pathways for it (also like training and memorization).
 
Though, hey, if someone can’t stop, then it’s pretty much an addiction.
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Addiction or desire or a preference, though an addiction means it’s very hard to stop and can get out of hand.
 
I would say crossdressing was an addiction to me as a teen, but it’s not anymore.
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Body image is something that is sometimes hard to explore, but I agree with Nittany Discord - if it is a part of who you are, then it’s a part of who you are, and embracing it and integrating it into your lifestyle can help you with your self-esteem, which is really important to happiness.
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Thing is, I’m 100% straight and have never been turned on by the thought of touching another man. Not only that, but I’m also not transgender. Yet in this day and age those two things are so commonly associated with crossdressing that they might as well be interchangable.
 
Plus, I have no idea what my girlfriend might think.
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I honestly don’t know what being straight or not has to do with cross dressing.
 
What if you find a girlfriend who is bi and sometimes wants to be the guy? That’s still straight.
 
Also: fun.
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Being a crossdresser doesn’t mean you’re gay or bi. In fact, and I need to see if this is still true, most MTF crossdressers identify as heterosexual, and many are happily married to women. Society stereotypes crossdressers as gay or trans for various reasons, but wanting to wear dresses doesn’t mean you want to touch other men or become a woman.
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I think you define who you are, so the real question is more about who you decide to be than “who you are”. Granted, change isn’t easy, but anything is possible if you want it.
 
I’m just not a huge fan of modern philosophies that decry free will with the “it’s who I am” sentiment with the implied “I can’t help it”.
 
Also, cloaks are kinda like dresses a little but very awesome instead of “girly” (recently got a cloak at a renaissance faire) :q
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But if you want it, why try to not want it? What success is there in that?
 
Fitting in or complying with the expectations of others is not all it’s advertised to be.
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Exactly. (Apologies if my deleted comment earlier was upsetting to some of you btw. I love The Rocky Horror Picture Show and didn’t mean to offend any of you.)
 
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Same. They’re so much more comfy than pants anyway! They let my balls breathe instead of squashing them.
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They’re so much more comfy than pants anyway! They let my balls breathe instead of squashing them.
 
If you haven’t yet experienced them, check out kilts They’re the best of all worlds :)
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I’ve started wearing boxers instead of briefs under my shorts lately. Until autumn comes, at least my junk won’t be so fucking broiled in 90 degree weather.
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Wear what you want. Kilts are pretty awesome. You can wear a skirt and be a bad-ass and I think many people associate kilts with being a bad-ass.
 
You can also wear a Sari - they’re far enough away from what people expect that no one will say anything.
 
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