Background Pony #6FA8
What are your unpopular non-pony opinions?
I think Walt Disney, Michael Jackson, and the Beatles are overrated.
I think Walt Disney, Michael Jackson, and the Beatles are overrated.
Unpopular opinion time
Ebalosus 
Build commie blocks!
I think that Bioware needs to, at the very least, release a new ending to Mass Effect 3; and at the most, remake the second 2 games so that they aren’t shit
Ripple_Shine
@Ebalosus
That only sounds like it would be unpopular on the BSN.
I think people get upset whenever someone brings up the topic of Ayn Rand/her works over meaningless nonsense.
That only sounds like it would be unpopular on the BSN.
I think people get upset whenever someone brings up the topic of Ayn Rand/her works over meaningless nonsense.
Thanotos Omega 
Take back Mass Effect was a great successes
G1 Transformers while good for it’s time is not as good as almost all of it’s newer counter parts and at least the first movie is a very good update and adaptation of it
Vanessa Carlton’s cover of paint it black is way better than any other including the original
Skyrim would have been much better if it was more like Fallout 3 ESPECIALLY the leveling up and attributes
Badass Normal’s shouldn’t be in the same universe as real super heroes
RPG’s are best when they have ridged class systems
Devil May Cry 2 was an ok game
G1 Transformers while good for it’s time is not as good as almost all of it’s newer counter parts and at least the first movie is a very good update and adaptation of it
Vanessa Carlton’s cover of paint it black is way better than any other including the original
Skyrim would have been much better if it was more like Fallout 3 ESPECIALLY the leveling up and attributes
Badass Normal’s shouldn’t be in the same universe as real super heroes
RPG’s are best when they have ridged class systems
Devil May Cry 2 was an ok game
Ripple_Shine
@Ebalosus
I don’t mind that at all, really. The only one of her books I claim any familiarity with is Anthem, though, so in all honesty I’m ill-equipped to have any kind of in-depth discussion.
I don’t mind that at all, really. The only one of her books I claim any familiarity with is Anthem, though, so in all honesty I’m ill-equipped to have any kind of in-depth discussion.
Background Pony #4BDC
I’m a brony and lean more right then left. :/
Ebalosus
As a libertarian…I’m probably not the best person to answer why people loathe both Rand and Objectivism, but I’ll give it a shot anyway:
The main reason seems to be that her ideas give people an excuse to be selfish jerks at the expense of everyone else, since she was against both wealth-redistribution social policies (something I can agree with) and any organised form of charity for the less fortunate (something I disagree with).
That’s why I think people take umbrage with her and her ideology. As for me, I dislike it how Libertarians are lumped in with both Objectivists and Alex Jones-esq anti-government conspiratards.
Objectivists because objectivism is a holistic socio-economo-political ideology whereas Libertarianism is only focused on the power differential between government and the individual.
Anyway, to bring this back on topic: One thing that I really dislike is the amount of deference gaming journos and other cultural commentators are giving to Tropes vs. Women. I really don’t have to say why, because Instig8ive Journalism and Dangerousanalysis have said it better than I ever could.
Build commie blocks!
I probably should have worded that better, my bad. I guess what I’m trying to say is that I don’t get where the hate for the ideas she puts forth in her writing comes from. It seems to me that it comes from either ad hominem or difference in taste.
As a libertarian…I’m probably not the best person to answer why people loathe both Rand and Objectivism, but I’ll give it a shot anyway:
The main reason seems to be that her ideas give people an excuse to be selfish jerks at the expense of everyone else, since she was against both wealth-redistribution social policies (something I can agree with) and any organised form of charity for the less fortunate (something I disagree with).
That’s why I think people take umbrage with her and her ideology. As for me, I dislike it how Libertarians are lumped in with both Objectivists and Alex Jones-esq anti-government conspiratards.
Objectivists because objectivism is a holistic socio-economo-political ideology whereas Libertarianism is only focused on the power differential between government and the individual.
Anyway, to bring this back on topic: One thing that I really dislike is the amount of deference gaming journos and other cultural commentators are giving to Tropes vs. Women. I really don’t have to say why, because Instig8ive Journalism and Dangerousanalysis have said it better than I ever could.
Ripple_Shine
@Ebalosus
Libertarian myself.
That right there is what I’m talking about. I distinctly remember both Prometheus (A.K.A Equality 7-2521) and John Galt (thanks to YouTube channel GaltSpeaking) talking about how they don’t wish to live for the sake of others, nor do they wish others to live for them. There’s also the mother with milk metaphor. If people use Objectivism as an excuse to be an asshole, then that reflects poorly on them, but there’s nothing about it I’ve found that says I should benefit at yours or anyone’s expense. And yeah, Rand may have been a bitch about somethings, I definitely won’t deny that because I’ve never known the woman or studied her life, but people forget that for all the groups she disliked, she’d never go to the government to shut them up (not a defense, just my observation).
And yeah, for the longest time, I was actually kind of afraid to identify to people as a libertarian (though I also use the term “classical liberal” since it sounds fancy) because I didn’t want my friends and family to lump me in with those redneck “Tea Party” assholes that are just an extension of the GOP (YouTube user jordanowen42 posted a 2.5 hour review of the Atlas Shrugged film adaptations and why they’re such stunning failures (he says this as a huge fan of Ayn Rand’s work himself) that goes into great detail regarding this, he also has an ongoing series debunking Anita Sarkeesian’s “arguments”, as well as a long history of challenging the anti-pornography crowd, so if you have the time, you should definitely check out his channel).
If you want to talk about this further, feel free to send me a PM sometime.
Now for me to get back on topic as well: Kung Fu Panda 2 had some of the worst storytelling I’ve ever seen in a movie.
Libertarian myself.
That right there is what I’m talking about. I distinctly remember both Prometheus (A.K.A Equality 7-2521) and John Galt (thanks to YouTube channel GaltSpeaking) talking about how they don’t wish to live for the sake of others, nor do they wish others to live for them. There’s also the mother with milk metaphor. If people use Objectivism as an excuse to be an asshole, then that reflects poorly on them, but there’s nothing about it I’ve found that says I should benefit at yours or anyone’s expense. And yeah, Rand may have been a bitch about somethings, I definitely won’t deny that because I’ve never known the woman or studied her life, but people forget that for all the groups she disliked, she’d never go to the government to shut them up (not a defense, just my observation).
And yeah, for the longest time, I was actually kind of afraid to identify to people as a libertarian (though I also use the term “classical liberal” since it sounds fancy) because I didn’t want my friends and family to lump me in with those redneck “Tea Party” assholes that are just an extension of the GOP (YouTube user jordanowen42 posted a 2.5 hour review of the Atlas Shrugged film adaptations and why they’re such stunning failures (he says this as a huge fan of Ayn Rand’s work himself) that goes into great detail regarding this, he also has an ongoing series debunking Anita Sarkeesian’s “arguments”, as well as a long history of challenging the anti-pornography crowd, so if you have the time, you should definitely check out his channel).
If you want to talk about this further, feel free to send me a PM sometime.
Now for me to get back on topic as well: Kung Fu Panda 2 had some of the worst storytelling I’ve ever seen in a movie.
Thanotos Omega
@Ripple_Shine
Did you see that little dip the economy took a few years ago? That’s Ms Rand’s philosophy in action.
Capitalism is a great idea it inspires the best of us to shine and creates a dynamic of competitiveness that drives innovation unless the government steps back and let’s it go then it becomes a feeding frenzy with loosest morals coming out on top
Did you see that little dip the economy took a few years ago? That’s Ms Rand’s philosophy in action.
Capitalism is a great idea it inspires the best of us to shine and creates a dynamic of competitiveness that drives innovation unless the government steps back and let’s it go then it becomes a feeding frenzy with loosest morals coming out on top
Ripple_Shine
@MirrorHeart
You mean when the Government gave taxpayer money to banks for failed investments? You mean the reason that all those people lost their social security? That one? Because, that’s not a separation of state and market, that’s what happens when lobbyists and special interest groups decide what goes on in Washington. The word for that is Cronyism. The exact opposite of what Rand & Libertarians advocate in terms of politics.
But that’s not the point of this topic.
You mean when the Government gave taxpayer money to banks for failed investments? You mean the reason that all those people lost their social security? That one? Because, that’s not a separation of state and market, that’s what happens when lobbyists and special interest groups decide what goes on in Washington. The word for that is Cronyism. The exact opposite of what Rand & Libertarians advocate in terms of politics.
But that’s not the point of this topic.
Thanotos Omega
Yes it is we just watched her philosophy put to the test and it failed anything can work on paper but the real world has a way showing just how flawed it is
Imagine if you had someone whose ideas just cost many people everything they spent they’r lives working for said person isn’t going to be popular for a while
Imagine if you had someone whose ideas just cost many people everything they spent they’r lives working for said person isn’t going to be popular for a while
Ripple_Shine
@MirrorHeart
You do realize that Objectivism isn’t about economic policy, right? It’s about using your mind to determine what’s proper to your life and pursuing your own happiness, it’s just that capitalism is the model that best reflects this in the sociopolitical realm.
Let me put it like this: any Government’s power is routed in the use of force. It is given the right to use force by the people living under that government (in the best case, their consent is given, in the worst, their complacency), but a Government acting in its proper role only uses this force to protect its citizens (internally, as the police and courts, externally, as the military). Companies, by contrast, do not have any capacity or right to use force, their survival is predicated on providing things that people want to have. But they must receive something in exchange for what they provide, this necessitates trade, which is volitional by definition.
With me so far?
When the Government dictates what trade is and isn’t proper for the people to engage in, they dictate by means of force. Since force is compulsory in nature, it requires no morals (and some might argue that any force is completely absent of morals). Trade however, is only engaged by choice. Choice requires that each person think for themselves and decide what is and isn’t proper to them, this requires morality. Therefore, when the Government steps in, then it’s the person with the loosest morals that succeeds, whereas under a free market, success is earned by those with the best ability to create a quality product, not the ones with “friends in high places.”
To put it another way: Capitalism is to sex what Cronyism is to rape.
You do realize that Objectivism isn’t about economic policy, right? It’s about using your mind to determine what’s proper to your life and pursuing your own happiness, it’s just that capitalism is the model that best reflects this in the sociopolitical realm.
Let me put it like this: any Government’s power is routed in the use of force. It is given the right to use force by the people living under that government (in the best case, their consent is given, in the worst, their complacency), but a Government acting in its proper role only uses this force to protect its citizens (internally, as the police and courts, externally, as the military). Companies, by contrast, do not have any capacity or right to use force, their survival is predicated on providing things that people want to have. But they must receive something in exchange for what they provide, this necessitates trade, which is volitional by definition.
With me so far?
When the Government dictates what trade is and isn’t proper for the people to engage in, they dictate by means of force. Since force is compulsory in nature, it requires no morals (and some might argue that any force is completely absent of morals). Trade however, is only engaged by choice. Choice requires that each person think for themselves and decide what is and isn’t proper to them, this requires morality. Therefore, when the Government steps in, then it’s the person with the loosest morals that succeeds, whereas under a free market, success is earned by those with the best ability to create a quality product, not the ones with “friends in high places.”
To put it another way: Capitalism is to sex what Cronyism is to rape.
Ebalosus
Build commie blocks!
@Ripple_Shine
Econometricians, they’re ever so pious
Are they doing real science?
Or confirming their bias?
Their Keynesian models are tidy and neat
But that top-down approach is a fatal conceit
I will note ironically that people whom point out the flaws of the Austrian model are the ones utilising Keynesian models (I.e. theoretical models with spurious connections to real-world evidence) to support their views…
Econometricians, they’re ever so pious
Are they doing real science?
Or confirming their bias?
Their Keynesian models are tidy and neat
But that top-down approach is a fatal conceit
I will note ironically that people whom point out the flaws of the Austrian model are the ones utilising Keynesian models (I.e. theoretical models with spurious connections to real-world evidence) to support their views…
Takuto_Shindou
I’m not sure how to feel about Trixie.
Sombra is more charismatic than Chrysalis.
Canon is better than fanon in any aspect.
Sombra is more charismatic than Chrysalis.
Canon is better than fanon in any aspect.
Kazapsky
Five scoops of ice cream
Religion needs to be wiped out. As in all forms of faith. As in right now.
A large amount of the world’s problems would disappear if religion were not around to serve as their root cause. And in exchange we give up … absolutely nothing. Faith serves only to blind people to facts.
A large amount of the world’s problems would disappear if religion were not around to serve as their root cause. And in exchange we give up … absolutely nothing. Faith serves only to blind people to facts.
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