The Anti-Censorship DNP Pledge

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Why are they refusing to communicate with their userbase? why are they acting like a big corporate? why are they censoring everything they don’t like?
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@Background Pony #3A48  
Damn, if the things they don’t like are aggrieved edgelords, nazis, and tryhard racists that’s pretty dope that’s what they’re ‘censoring’ (not really what censorship is but whatev) [/bq]
 
So in other words “It’s okay when they censor what I don’t like.”  
On that same basis I propose a long list of stuff that I don’t like and want to censor. Do you see the problem with that idea?
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@Background Pony #A48A  
Yes everyone that likes these pictures are those things.  
And everyone that likes clop want to woohoo real horses.  
And everyone that likes violent videogames are homicidal psychopaths.  
This is clearly a reasonable point of view you have that hasn’t been disproven trillions of times over.
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@Background Pony #A48A  
No, my implication is you’re either a troll or, for genuine lack of a better word, delusional. Your argument has been proven wrong in many forms countless times and no matter how many times it’s made or what form it takes, it will never be any less absurd.
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Definitely true. Backlash on artists for stuff can get really overwhelming. Going from popular to pretty much ostracized and it can be very hard to impossible to come back from that (personal experience on e6 from watching artists kill their following many times). When they’re not able or used to handling stuff like that, it can turn them into a wreck in no time.
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And what if this is what most people want? Do you have access to some metric no one else does that indicates most people oppose this? Because your opinion on what the majority of users desire doesn’t make it true.
 
There are far more complaints about the censorship than praise of the censorship.
 
There are absolutely people here who have wanted something like this for a considerably long time.
 
While this is not relevant to the topic, they’re making a massive mistake and censorship will end up happening to something they enjoy.  
There are numerous people who did who already left the site because they were tired of the harassment they got from the “fascists” here.
 
Harrassment and actual nazi propaganda were already against the rules. This leaves two* choices:  
  • either the staff are failing at their jobs of preventing harrassment, which CANNOT be amended via stricter rules,  
  • or these artists were not actually harrassed and are calling “presence of fascists who don’t even care about said artists on site” or “said fascists commenting on their pics in completely innocuous ways without even brigading” said harrassment, which also cannot be amended via stricter rules because someone this emotionally vulnerable (and likely targetted by a hateful cult to exploit said vulnerability for indoctrination) needs a RL shrink.  
And if the site is as beholden to the users as you assert, are they not obligated to address these issues? To make it actually live up to their primary rule of “Be excellent to each other” by disallowing things either actively promoting an ideology that killed millions, or trivializing the horrors done by those who followed it?
 
The promotion has already been banned and banning “trivializing”, as described ad nauseam, is incredibly, spectacularly unproductive. You do not solve trauma by avoidance and seriousness, you solve it by running it into extinction. In safe circumstances and controlled manner - while Derpi isn’t a trusted shrink’s room, it was still relatively safe circumstances and as much controlled as your self-control allowed.  
Also, banning the “show” paves the way straight into repeating history in doing the “tell”: claiming moral high ground of being “against nazis” while doing exact same things the nazis do.  
I will give you one point. They could have discussed the change more with the users before implementing it.
 
Allegedly “they” have discussed the change with other staff. To extreme opposition. Discussing it with the users would not actually change anything, long political arguments or not.  
The fact that they are adding two more is not the travesty you and others here seem to want it to be.
 
It is not about “adding two more”. It’s about “going back on their word, twice: making the ban on non-positive portrayals of one group permanent instead of temporary as promised, and explicitly banning a thing after repeatedly assuring everyone, including right after said temporary ban, that said thing will never be banned; banning something that was already banned by the rules as-is; and explicitly banning non-negative portrayals of another group”.  
The problem isn’t “more restrictions”. The problem is that these restrictions are eminently politically motivated, extremely one-sided, and hypocritical; they are arbitrary censorship; the problem is that head-staff are bringing their PERSONAL political stance into the rules of COLLECTIVE site, that it only leads to ruin be damned.
 
 
*Technically, three: the third option is that they were not harrassed or encountered any fascists at all and are leaving for the same goal as this thread: namely, to put pressure on the staff. The difference is that these “harrassed” artists want the site to enact more censorship and we want none (or rather minimum legally required with zero, or the same extent for any possible stance, political/personal influence).
illumipony666

this will make joining alternative boorus, which are being built, much grander as they will get art not able to be posted on Derpibooru
 
What are those alternative boorus? I’d like to be aware of as many as possible specifically for situations like this.
windburst

I remember a time where you would get harrasement for posting cute ponies on various imageboards and forums. More than half the people claiming they want this censorship are classified as background ponies, who’s to say these aren’t people hating MLP to begin with? It’s eay to start with something like nazi ponies cause a lot of people will agree with taking those down for obvious reasons, but then they’ll come for something else, then something else till you got a dying booru left.
 
This honestly cannot end well
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And what if this is what most people want? Do you have access to some metric no one else does that indicates most people oppose this? Because your opinion on what the majority of users desire doesn’t make it true.
There are far more complaints about the censorship than praise of the censorship.
And in my experience, people always make more noise in complaint that they do over appreciation. But that does not necessarily mean there are more people on the one side than the other. Show me an actual statistic that proves the majority of people here disapprove and I’ll concede the point. Otherwise it remains your opinion.
 
 
@Barhandar  
There are absolutely people here who have wanted something like this for a considerably long time.
While this is not relevant to the topic, they’re making a massive mistake and censorship will end up happening to something they enjoy.
Or it won’t, and the absence of toxic imagery like that will make the site more welcoming for new people interested in contributing their artwork.
 
 
@Barhandar  
I will give you one point. They could have discussed the change more with the users before implementing it.
Allegedly “they” have discussed the change with other staff. To extreme opposition. Discussing it with the users would not actually change anything, long political arguments or not.
I’d be curious to know where you have seen that there was “extreme opposition” to this from the other staff. I have not seen anything about that.
 
 
@Barhandar  
The fact that they are adding two more is not the travesty you and others here seem to want it to be.
It is not about “adding two more”. It’s about “going back on their word, twice: making the ban on non-positive portrayals of one group permanent instead of temporary as promised, and explicitly banning the thing after repeatedly assuring everyone, including right after said temporary ban, that said thing will never be banned; banning something that was already banned by the rules as-is; and explicitly banning non-negative portrayals of another group”.
The problem isn’t “more restrictions”. The problem is that these restrictions are eminently politically motivated, extremely one-sided, and hypocritical; they are arbitrary censorship; the problem is that head-staff are bringing their PERSONAL political stance into the rules of COLLECTIVE site, that it only leads to ruin be damned.
Well I disagree it was arbitrary, since they have given reasons for the change, and I disagree it was censorship, since your inability to upload something here does not restrict your ability to draw said thing in any capacity, and the site is theirs to run so, “COLLECTIVE” or not, they do have absolute authority to decide what they want to host, and if it does seem one sided, maybe it’s because the other side is perfectly fine with devaluing other people based on skin color or other actual arbitrary traits they have no control over.
 
And for all the times I’ve heard about this promise not to ban or turn a temporary ban into a permanent one, I have yet to see anyone link to where that was stated. Just saying.
 
 
@windburst  
More than half the people claiming they want this censorship are classified as background ponies, who’s to say these aren’t people hating MLP to begin with?
Well I can’t speak for the others, but I started watching the show in February 2011, and I have been a fan just as long. I love the show, and did right up through the end.
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Censorship is Evil
I’m almost incredibly certain that promoting censorship of certain ideas doesn’t get rid of them; In fact, I’d like to suggest the possibility – Which I believe is already happening by the way, that this rule will merely take what was hardly more than a harmless meme character, and actually create something potentially risky.
 
Trivializing dangerous ideologies presents what is essentially the worst of that ideology, and puts it in front of the entire world. Sure you’ll have some people on the site that might be, AHEM questionable individuals who support this type of thinking, the average person looks upon the bare facts before them presented in the idea, and laughs at it.
 
Being afraid of something, and shunting it into the back alleys and crevices of the internet pisses off free thinkers, and radicals alike. Surely the free minded thinker believes all ideas must be presented front and center so everyone can understand what it is, and then choose willingly to either disavow, or support that idea, outside of the jokes and memes we make that turn a horrible idea into somewhat of a funny joke. Censoring the idea implies you think people are too stupid to make a mature and rational decision about the topic.
 
As for these ‘radicals’ (A minimal population of individuals who may or may not exist, whom possibly agree with this line of thinking), Who cares what they think, right?
 
Wrong. If people, even the radicals, are allowed to spout their stupid and dangerous opinions, the people see what it is at face value- I mean, if you’re not penalized for speaking about it, why bother hiding what you want? But silencing them essentially makes people think that you’re afraid of what they have to say.
 
At the end of the day, anyone who supports free speech, even for people wanting to post Nazi memes, is in no way a Nazi. I should be allowed to say whatever the damn well I please, and if the mob wants to judge me, by all means, go ahead. I don’t care. I may not like what you say, but I’ll defend to the end your right to say it.
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