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@FallenGuardian  
because its not really the goal of these people, i dont want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but i believe a sideline group of the riches companies and people is causing the us vs them to spread, and turning people against on another. because when you poll both sides, most opinions actually overlap in the center, no matter who you ask
 
angry people are easier to control, far easier, and it makes it more so when their enemy is turned to a monolith of ideology instead of a group of people. did we learn nothing from 1984? this is all just a two minutes hate, across an entire world, and i wish we would see that, unite, and truly take our freedom back as one people, not in the usa but across the world
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@Derpy Whooves  
Reversing the earlier rules was a terrible mistake, and we are making changes to try to fix it.
 
When you wake up and read this, can you please clarify what you believe to be a terrible mistake?
 
The rules during the BLM announcement (Including votebans and filters)  
The rules regarding Nazism.  
The rules that Parasprite put forth.  
The rules that Blossomforth put, forth.
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Soft and Furious
@someoneelse  
I guess there’s some truth to that.
 
 
@Background Pony #EA67  
I’d wager it’s a little of everything - the whole mess with spontaneously changing the rules with no community input, flip-flopping on serious topics, the whole shebang.
 
Although considering who started this mess and, most importantly, how… Can’t entirely blame them for panicking and messing up under the stress. They messed up horribly, no denying that, but at least they had a legit reason to fear for the website.
 
They still do, as far as I’m aware. I hope this whole thing ends without a disaster.
Doof.Ex.Machina

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@FallenGuardian  
That’s actually a good remark. The bronies as a fandom came from the image-board culture and, as such, all the more free-mind attention towards arguable points in politics and society. If anything, good or bad, it teaches people either to accept or to co-exist with those on the other side of their moral values.
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@Background Pony #6122  
I think “offended” is disingenuous and dismissive.
 
This isn’t about offense. It’s about sincerely believing that keeping our art in a community that allows, going by some comments - even endorses - nazi images makes us complicit in what those images promote, and thus wanting nothing to do with that.
 
Whether you agree with that stance or not, it is not about “offense.” It is about taking a stand for what we believe in.
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Doof.Ex.Machina

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@Background Pony #7131  
Well, yep, but it was the birthplace. I doubt MLP would have got that recognition and its fanbase if not for 4chan. Example: the Russian brony fandom (which was and still is pretty self-secluded) came to life through exactly the same means of Russian image boards. And that whole lot defined pretty much what the fandom would look like.
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@Background Pony #7131  
This isn’t about offense.
 
In my eyes it is.  
It’s about sincerely believing that keeping our art in a community that allows, going by some comments — even endorses — nazi images makes us complicit in what those images promote, and thus wanting nothing to do with that.
 
That’s paranoia.  
Paranoia that only exist recently.  
How many shootings Aryanne has caused in past years?  
Whether you agree with that stance or not, it is not about “offense.” It is about taking a stand for what we believe in.
 
In other words “if we close our eyes and our ears, then reality will warp itself for my liking”.
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@Background Pony #7131  
It is about taking a stand for what we believe in.
What you believe in is censorship.  
That’s not a good thing to believe in, or take a stand for.
 
 
@NightStalker  
“Yeah, but all of those people are just nazis so it’s good that they’re unhappy!”
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I wrote it in another thread but I will repost it since looks like it will be more relevant here:
 
I’m genuinely terrified that most of those people here who say they hate nazism and get mad with swastikas simultaneously declare that they have nothing against communism or even support it.
 
Communism is same shit as nazism - hateful ideology that antagonizes every person who disagree with it. Actually communists murdered incomparably more innocent people than nazis did. This is a documented fact.
 
full
 
And what’s most import: the german nazis rose to power using the censorship and terror, same the soviet and chinese communists. So don’t follow the ideologies that murdered hundreds of millions of people and don’t support censorship.
 
The only reason not so many people talk about how dangerous communism is is the simple fact that communists were one of the winners of WW2.
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@Background Pony #1061  
An artist removing their own artwork because they don’t want to be part of something they oppose is not censorship.
 
Nobody held a gun to Derpibooru and forced them to make any decision. Artists have a right to choose how their own work is disseminated.
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Background Pony #6BA0
Welcome to 2020 where artists now support restrictions on their creative freedom and expression. Lunacy.
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Soft and Furious
@Background Pony #7131  
Yeah; I’d guess the 4chan people are pretty few and far between, and even among them the edgy ones are more than likely a minority - albeit a well-known one.
 
@Background Pony #7131  
@Background Pony #6122
I think “offended” is disingenuous and dismissive.
This isn’t about offense. It’s about sincerely believing that keeping our art in a community that allows, going by some comments - even endorses - nazi images makes us complicit in what those images promote, and thus wanting nothing to do with that.
Whether you agree with that stance or not, it is not about “offense.” It is about taking a stand for what we believe in.
 
It’s impossible to agree with you here on the grounds that your entire premise is objectively false. This site’s rules have never tolerated endorsement and/or promotion of Nazi ideology - as per Rule #0. If you really think that mere existence of associated imagery in satire and dark humor somehow magically makes it promote Nazism… Your thought process is faulty, and must be reevaluated.
 
You’re taking a stand for meaningless division over objectively false statements, and perpetuating said statements with no logical basis.
 
This indeed has nothing to do with “offense”. Only authoritarianism and censorship. Nazis used to love those things, huh? Gave them everything they needed on a silver platter. Maybe you just don’t know better.
 
I hope you learn.
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@Background Pony #7131  
@Background Pony #1061
Nobody held a gun to Derpibooru and forced them to make any decision.
 
Wrong. The Atlantic, Wootmaster and his cult are all putting enormous pressure on Derpi to enact this censorship by claiming literally every member of the mlp fandom is a nazi. That obviously couldn’t be further from the truth, but The Atlantic doesn’t care because they get clicks and woot doesn’t care because he gets clout.
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@Background Pony #7131  
Ho-lee shite, that was disingenuous.  
You know damned well said artists are pulling their art from the site in protest of other people’s art not getting censored.  
That’s a pro-censorship move, and you know it, so stop pretending it isn’t.
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Doof.Ex.Machina

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@Sed  
Is it? Liberalism promotes institutional division between the rich and the poor, and weak, sluggish governance that is not capable of solving any kind of a crisis.
 
All the while, communism is about real economic and societal equality, and nazism stands for a strong government and the sense of national identity. Clearly not bad points, huh?
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@Background Pony #1061
 
No.
 
I wanted my art removed because I don’t want my work on a platform that allows nazi imagery. I have that right.
 
Similarly, some people who support nazi images were posting DNPs in protest as well. That is their right.
 
An artist has the right to decide where their work is hosted. It may be because they agree or disagree with certain policies, but removal of one’s own work itself is not censorship.
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FallenGuardian
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Soft and Furious
@Background Pony #7131  
@Background Pony #1061
An artist removing their own artwork because they don’t want to be part of something they oppose is not censorship.
Nobody held a gun to Derpibooru and forced them to make any decision. Artists have a right to choose how their own work is disseminated.
 
They are staging a meaningless “protest” because the website did not enforce context-blind censorship on their behalf.
 
They are essentially following some psychotic lunatic who collected a Twitter outrage mob, threatened to sabotage their primary source of income - (which is Patreon, iirc) without which they lose their hosting entirely - and are actively destroying their reputation with deliberately constructed slander.
 
I’d say that’s a little more than holding a gun to Derpibooru. They’re already shooting at the kneecaps just for the fun of it, and threatening to put one in the skull.
 
And to reiterate again: by being here, they aren’t “being a part of something they oppose”, since the thing they claim to oppose is forbidden by the site’s own rules. False premise, again.
 
They’re sabotaging the archive because their fascist censorship fantasies weren’t enforced when they wanted to.
 
And now there’s a blind ban on all even mildly agitating political mess. It’s a loss for all rational people, but it’s probably Derpi’s only safe-ish way to survive this attack.
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