Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

@Shirani  

 
So you see all white supremacy movements as reactions to, and being entirely driven by, “white bashing”?
 
You see those groups as having absolutely zero interests of their own, and being entirely manufactured responses to someone else’s agenda?

@Background Pony #6D39  
no but I see their growth as a reaction to this hatred of anything that is deemed white.

@Shirani  
You know, I’m just gonna sit and watch this play out to see if they can figure out why there’s such a large influx with popcorn and a cold beer.
 
My guess is they wont. They didn’t learn from Berkley.

@Background Pony #6D39  
Its shit like this that causes fringe groups to grow. A person was ILLEGALLY restrained for recording a public protest.

@Shirani  
I like this post:
 

 
The anti-hate spreads hate. The Anti-fascist act like fascists.

@Cyborg_pony  
What about the interfaith gathering beforehand?

@Chilly Pepper  
they weren’t violent so I am ok with them. The problem I have is with antifa and the other violent groups INCLUDING the KKK and neo-Nazi groups.

@Chilly Pepper  
If they’re not violent why should I have a problem with them gathering?
 
It is okay for other groups to gather with communist flags and preaching Stalin quotes, To walk the streets chanting “What do we want!?” “DEAD COP!” “When do we want it?!” “NOW!” Why should that be allowed, but not the other?
 
It only got violent as soon as the counter-protesters arrived and instigated, with rocks, pepper spray and even one with a flaming aerosol can.

@Cyborg_pony  
and then someone ran over the counter-protesters.

@angrybrony  
this is the problem with radicalization and fringe groups they always ALWAYS escalate! Especially if they have carte blanch approval from the media and, if there is a friendly government in power, the government itself.

@Shirani  
Exactly. The Nazis think they have a friend in the White House, so they feel comfortable ramming people ISIS-style.

@Background Human  
the medias tacit approval of antifa is just as bad!

@Cyborg_pony
 
Racism is inherently violent.
 
Even if you’re not physically attacking anyone, if your ideology’s end goal is to forcibly remove all people outside of your race, then you are complicit in violence.
 
Ergo, there are no “peaceful nazis.” Whether they’re directly attacking people or not, they support an ideology that is inherently violent in nature. This is why these groups and their gatherings should be shunned and condemned.
 
And to Trump’s credit, he stepped up and did condemn them today, calling them out by name. I may disagree with him politically, but I’m glad that he made a direct, non-vague condemnation of these groups for all to see. Because now neo-nazis, the KKK, and white supremacists can’t keep saying that the president has their back; He clearly doesn’t.
 
For all his faults, Trump at least drew the line here and told off fringe groups that doubtlessly supported him.

@Dr. Eggman  
are you fucking joking…..so they cant hold rallies because of their rhetoric? Racism is bad but saying its violent? what?

@Shirani
 
Who said they “can’t hold rallies?” Please quote the part where I said they can’t hold rallies. Or… did you just put words in my mouth? I think you just did! Blech, those words taste terrible too! Ptooey!
 
They can hold rallies, and I never said otherwise. But I’m saying that we should call them out and condemn them for it. Do you disagree?

@Dr. Eggman  
Also I noticed he didn’t condemn antifa. So if he condemned one why not the other?

@Dr. Eggman  
condemning them is fine but trying to shut them down will only embolden them.

I think anyone should be allowed to hold a rally so long as they have permission. Unless of course the people holding the rally are part of a Chaos cult or a Genestealer cult then they should all be burned ASAFP

@Shirani  
@Shirani  
So then, naturally, you’d be equally an apologist and supporter for any backlash to the white nationalism, like SJWs, Antifa, and BLM?
 
Cool - I can’t wait to see you acting as an apologist for those groups, standing up for their rights when someone, you know, drives a car into one of their peaceful protests.

@Shirani
 
There’s a great precedence to condemn far-right groups though, and I think you know why that is.
 
Because those groups (mistakenly) believe that Trump has their back, and thus feel emboldened by the president to act the way they do. Trump putting the hammer down on them and saying “No, I am not your friend, I am not in your corner, and I do not have your back” is an important statement to make to these people.
 
Leftist fringe groups have no delusions about the president being on their side, but far-right hate groups absolutely do; They’re “heiling” Trump as if he’s the second coming of Hitler himself, and I can’t blame Trump for wanting to clearly and unambiguously distance himself from these people.

@Shirani
 
Nazism is inherently violent. They’re nazis, subscribing to the same belief and rhetoric that brought on one of the darkest points in human history. You don’t go around calling yourself a Nazi if you’re a well adjusted, safe, normal human being. When your manifesto involves mass murder or displacement, you are an inherently violent person.
 
 
There are certain ideologies that are utterly antithetical to the liberty, Nazism is one of those. Just as militant Islamist, anarchists, and gang/mob mentality sorts are antithetical to the current system.
 
 
Anyway, why I came to this wonderful place. 3%ter tries to blow up bank

@Shirani
 
And where did I say anything about shutting them down? Again, stop putting words in my mouth please. Yuck.
 
Literally all I said was “This is an inherently violent ideology and we should condemn those who support it.” Looks like you agree, so there’s really no argument to be had, is there?

@Background Pony #6D39  
anyone has the right to protest and rally. NO one has the right to infringe on those rights.

@Dr. Eggman  
The mayor tried to shut them down even when they had a permit and the federal government told the local government to let them protest. 15 mins before the protest was to start the local government said “fuck it! shut it down!” even tho they were told not to!