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Background Pony #C865
I need evidence if I am to be convinced the Jesus is my “Lord and Savior”, and I haven’t found any.
Background Pony #9789
@Pagan  
For what it’s worth, I’m sorry too. I just wanted to add some information on a day I’ve always considered important to me is all. I didn’t mean to detract from your conversation, or from any problems you may have been discussing.
Background Pony #A790
I feel it worth pointing out that there is some objection to the idea that Christmas was stolen from any pagan holiday. The suggestion that the December 25th date is an appropriation of Sol Invictus (established by the Roman emperor Aurelian in 274 C.E.), or the Roman Saturnalia festival (which traditionally took place in late December), became popular in the 18th and 19th centuries and persisted on through modern times. However, an article by Andrew McGowan (Dean and President of the Berkeley Divinity School at Yale) suggests there is a lack of evidence to suggest Christmas appropriated the date.  
Despite its popularity today, this theory of Christmas’s origins has its problems. It is not found in any ancient Christian writings, for one thing. Christian authors of the time do note a connection between the solstice and Jesus’ birth: The church father Ambrose (c. 339–397), for example, described Christ as the true sun, who outshone the fallen gods of the old order. But early Christian writers never hint at any recent calendrical engineering; they clearly don’t think the date was chosen by the church. Rather they see the coincidence as a providential sign, as natural proof that God had selected Jesus over the false pagan gods.
Moreover, Saturnalia traditionally ended on December 23rd in the Julian calendar, and while December 25th was the date used by Aurelian’s holiday, the use of the 25th for Christmas seems to have been established years before Aurelian used it. Again from Andrew McGowan:  
There are problems with this popular theory, however, as many scholars recognize. Most significantly, the first mention of a date for Christmas (c. 200) and the earliest celebrations that we know about (c. 250–300) come in a period when Christians were not borrowing heavily from pagan traditions of such an obvious character.
In fact, there is evidence to suggest that the 25th was determined as the day of Jesus’s birth due to Jewish tradition. Starting about the year 200, many Christians accepted that the death of Jesus occurred on March 25th (of the Julian calendar). Because certain Jewish traditions asserted righteous men died on the same day they were conceived, many placed Jesus’ conception on March 25th as well. The 204 C.E. writings of Hippolytus of Rome, therefore, placed the birth on December 25th, exactly nine months after the date of conception.
 
Now, having said all that, I feel I should make one thing clear. I am not trying to offend anyone by offering this information. I just get tired of always hearing about how the holiday is supposedly stolen, when there is potentially so much more to it than that. Even if the origins are in dispute, there are obviously pagan influences in the holiday as it currently exists, and regardless of how it began, Christmas has become a unique blend of traditions from every culture it was taken to. There is something I find special about that, and whether you celebrate it as the birth of Christ or write any religious aspect off as a fairy tale for delusional adults, there is no denying the vast amount of history this one day contains.
Marima
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Meddlesome Peon
@Pagan  
Ah, well that’s a shame. Mine was fine, got really stinkin’ drunk with my mom, then we passed out watchin’ RoboCop. Kinda depressing in it’s own right.
Pagan

Gay Viking
@Marima  
Not really no I had to spend it with my cousin and I hate everyone in my family who isn’t my grandmother, at least the food I cooked was good.
Marima
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Meddlesome Peon
@Pagan  
Well that’s kinda a hollow response, s’pose I’m a little more use to traditional conversations and such. Ya say yer content with life, so ya have a good Christmas an’ all?
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