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CronoM

@Background Pony #E1BB  
I didn’t call him, ‘not a professional writer’, I called him an ‘amateur’, which he officially is with only two or so episodes under his belt.
 
If your going to be ultra defensive about a guy that wrote two or so episodes of shows prior and turned the episode where Dash becomes a Wonderbolt into a badly written punchline episode that a large part of the fans dislike, at the very least try to understand basic definitions. Otherwise it comes across as just more desperate defensiveness. One doesn’t need to be a fanfic writer to recognize a crappy script and imagine a thousand better ideas then what was given.
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@CronoM  
“Top that off that they got a rank amateur to do the writing, and there’s little defense for this episode”  
Sorry that your fanfic werent taken seriously by DHX,dude.Despite what you think,the “amateur” David Rapp have (as far as we know because IMDB is far from being a comprehensive/reliable source) written at least 2 episodes of TV shows,in other words,he’s a professional in the sense that his work was judged by external sources and peers (as in:not fanfic writers or fandoms or Internet mouthbreathers) as being good enough to be produced and put on TV.
Background Pony #A380
@Cirrus Light  
“There is no such thing as professionals. They’re just amateurs that have found a way to get paid “  
Because they convinced other people and an audience that is not limited to their relatives and/or a dozen of people that their works were worthy of attention and/or dough through hard work.Meanwhile the amateur stay in bitter obscurity and keep pretending his fanfictions are better than the original product.
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@Beau Skunky  
There is no such thing as professionals. They’re just amateurs that have found a way to get paid :p
 
As for how people are liking things:
 
One  
Linked within that, One-B
 
And Two
 
I’ll hold on a bit longer, though, on the last few points, since they’ve only got 50/100 ratings, and somewhat consistently, the less ratings the lower the score, so it would seem it’s likely that the ratings will improve with time as more rate them.
 
We’ve seen worse droughts, though. S02E06, 07, and 08 were a worse streak. So if you’re going to jump ship over this, then you would’ve jumped ship back in S2 early on, as well.
 
But for the already-quitters, it’s worth noting that Season 5 is the highest rated on reddit.
 
It’d be interesting to see how reddit scorings would compare to IMDB’s.
Beau Skunky
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@Goremise  
Dude, fans have been leaving the show foreverz sense Season 2, it’s nothing new, and doesn’t prove Season 6 is the worst season ever. If that’s the case, then all those other seasons you said you liked are “terrible too.” I see many who still like the show, and considering this site gets hundreds of new images each day, and of every new ep’, I’m pretty sure there will still be fans when/if Season 7 airs.
 
Only other thing I’ll touch on is, that attitude that only “professionals” should work in the entertainment industry kinda bugs me. Especially, considering every professional starts out as an amateur some time in their career. Y’know, Ian Flynn writer for the official MegaMan, and Sonic the Hedgehog comics had no prior professional writing gigs on any other comic book series, prior to starting working on Sonic in 2006 yet many fans agree he’s a much better writer for Sonic & stuff then the “professionals” who came before him.  
Imagine Charles Schulz’ “Peanuts” comics being turned down for “not being professional enough? Some amateurs actually turn out to be quite good.
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Sciencepone of Science!
Lies! Lies and slander!
Well, either that or the most real headcanon yet.
What? No, that’s absolute nonsense, I was joking. Reality being a fabrication of beings within a higher reality, we only exist for some brief moments every so often and all the other memories are implanted? Impossible. Clearly this is not any world.
 
:P intensifies
Background Pony #68CC
The main reason I haven’t discussed it much is ‘cause I honestly am burnt out on debating it, I admit the ep’ was flawed, but I honestly still enjoyed it, but oh well. People have a right to like or dislike the episode,
Boy is that something I can agree with. I love to debate things, and I enjoy discussions on the episodes and hearing things from other perspectives. Having to constantly rehash the same points, however, tends to wear a person down.
 
 
@Goremise  
@Beau Skunky
Again I say, I wish people would actually come up with real reasons and not their own headcannons when defending the episode. So much stuff is made up out of nothing in the defense of this episode. People just need to realise how many mistakes are in the actual episode and come to terms with it.
Just to make a point, a fair number of my responses were based on what Dash has done in previous episodes. You can argue my interpretation of them, certainly, but I at least tried to offer examples that were about as far from headcanon as one can get.
 
 
@Goremise  
@Beau Skunky
From all the discussions had across everywhere, it’s easy to tell that this episode because of having the incredibly bad writer write it, will always either have a hated, or meh general consensus. which goes to say a lot about S6 as a whole. Just more fans joining the new bandwagon now that is leaving the show. If we do make it to a S7, I wonder if anyone of us here will still be left. The writers obviously seem to care much less about us with both this episode existing and Glimmer. But in the end the only way to talk to Hasbro is through our wallets and not buying the toys
Think action will only be taken if their toy sales drop, as that is all they care about tbh
Well I’ll be here. As will, I suspect, a good number of other people. Because your opinion of the writers and their attitude towards us notwithstanding, I’ve been enjoying this season so far. I think it will be fun to see what else they have in store.
 
 
@Cirrus Light  
@Beau Skunky
I have a crack headcanon that they don’t exist offscreen, and they live in a simulation like the Matrix, except instead of being a live simulation it’s vectors that are moving along predefined motions with pre-made sound recordings for their voices and all the sounds.
Thus nothing exists but what is directly shown on-screen :p
Lies! Lies and slander!
 
Well, either that or the most real headcanon yet.
Goremise

@Beau Skunky  
Cept what you replied back with is not a injoke, compared to mine which was a injoke. it never feels nice to be left out and laughed at without knowing the joke, a experience I take it you have never truly experienced to understand completely, so it’s alright.
 
again though you basically just try and copy and paste what I said in your own way, dismissing the facts we have as opinions. Then even admitting that the episode had flaws. I’m just confused now x3
 
anyway
 
Got to talking to some people who like the episode, and even they hate the fact that the writer for it was a inexperienced amateur. It goes without saying when Dash fans dread a Dash episode but then like the episode after without her. From all the discussions had across everywhere, it’s easy to tell that this episode because of having the incredibly bad writer write it, will always either have a hated, or meh general consensus. which goes to say a lot about S6 as a whole. Just more fans joining the new bandwagon now that is leaving the show. If we do make it to a S7, I wonder if anyone of us here will still be left. The writers obviously seem to care much less about us with both this episode existing and Glimmer. But in the end the only way to talk to Hasbro is through our wallets and not buying the toys
 
Think action will only be taken if their toy sales drop, as that is all they care about tbh
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@Beau Skunky  
I have a crack headcanon that they don’t exist offscreen, and they live in a simulation like the Matrix, except instead of being a live simulation it’s vectors that are moving along predefined motions with pre-made sound recordings for their voices and all the sounds.
 
Thus nothing exists but what is directly shown on-screen :p
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@Goremise  
You’re right, we’re all wrong for enjoying an episode you don’t. Oh, sorry just teasing. :P
 
Actually, some like BG have put up good reasons why they aren’t bothered by the episode, and why they felt Dashie wasn’t OOC, and such, but you, and Crono are just hand-waving ‘em. That bit about their opinions just being “headcanons” and interpretation could apply to you, and Crono’s arguments, as their mostly your own opinion, and your own personal interpretation of the ep’, as well. Not absolute “fact.”
 
The main reason I haven’t discussed it much is ‘cause I honestly am burnt out on debating it, I admit the ep’ was flawed, but I honestly still enjoyed it, but oh well. People have a right to like or dislike the episode,
Goremise

@Beau Skunky  
Sorry, I’m used to my friends doing that a lot with me, But it was all in good fun. And this is being serious.
 
Now you understand how Dash felt? Being left out of a in-joke she was not told about? :)
 
Again I say, I wish people would actually come up with real reasons and not their own headcannons when defending the episode. So much stuff is made up out of nothing in the defence of this episode. People just need to realise how many mistakes are in the actual episode and come to terms with it.
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@Beau Skunky
You said the same thing twice in your comment, made it a little harder to read x3
 
Well, I screwed up, and forgot to edit that part out when posting. I guess you never make mistakes?
 
No offense, but you’re starting to come off a bit smart-allecky with remarks like that. As BG #CE19 said it’s making it difficult to be polite to you, or respect your opinions when you’re being kinda passive aggressive to those who disagree with you.
Background Pony #8E4D
@Background Pony #CE19
HIDE HER FEELINGS?
What on Earth are you smoking, I know you are a troll now XD
You know, I am trying very hard to be polite about this. I’d appreciate it if you could at least pretend to do the same.
 
In any case, perhaps I explained that part poorly. I’m not trying to imply she has Maud Pie levels of stoicism or anything. Rainbow does emote quite frequently. The thing is, her emotional outbursts are often masking how she actually feels about something. This is why I say she hides her feelings, because Rainbow Dash has demonstrated consistently, since season one, that she is bad at sharing her emotional issues with others. She didn’t do it when she was nervous in “Sonic Rainboom”, she didn’t do it when she was being showed up by “The Mysterious Mare Do Well”, she didn’t do it when Tank needed to hibernate in “Tanks for the Memories”, and she didn’t do it here.
 
@CronoM  
It’s funny. I’ve never been in the military. No one in my family is in any branch of the service. I am about as far removed from any sort of service position as it is possible to be. Yet even as removed as I was, I nevertheless was entirely aware that real life pilots, particularly the “best of the best” types, pick nicknames for each other based on screw ups and mishaps and the like. It astounds me to think that Rainbow Dash did not know about that in advance herself, but then I was also surprised when she revealed in “Testing Testing 1, 2, 3” that she had next to no knowledge about the group she wanted to join.
 
But that is not the point, I guess.
 
I’ll be honest, I’m tired of having this debate in every picture and thread relating to the episode. I simply do not agree with your opinion, and I feel the episode, along with Rainbow Dash’s history, supports my view. You clearly feel the same way about my opinion, and I doubt I will dissuade you from it.
CronoM

“Honestly? Probably because Rainbow Dash is far to hard on herself. I mean really, they are one of the most elite flight teams in Equestria. Yet the minute they needed help, they brought her in. She even makes a comment on it in the first part of the episode.”
This is a true statement completely separate from this discussion, but not even close to a true response to what I was saying. As a response, it makes it sound like Rainbow Dash, due to being hard on herself, was not seeing the respect from the Wonderbolts…that wasn’t there to begin with. Yes, they brought Rainbow Dash on, and after she made a mistake they spent a ton of the time jeering her.
 
Like the Spitfire line I quoted.
“she assumes they do as well.”
Which is reinforced by their jeering nickname and remarks when she makes a mistake and remind her of it. She was the only one being given an insulting nickname and being jeered at during the present. There is a difference between laughing with a person when compared to laughing at a person. Do the wonderbolts understand the distinction? Not really, the wonderbolts are not bastions of maturity or tact, they are basically old jock culture trained to be semi-military.
 
If you want an example of this dichotomy, this episode’s dialogue with Spitfire makes it most apparent.  
Spitfire initially asked her team to forget about Dash’s accident, but when the nickname caught on, Spitfire started using it herself, only using Dash’s real name a few times before the show, and even enjoying and snickering while calling her that right before the show
 
(again, this might of been an interesting aspect they could of explored at the end of the episode if they showed both sides of the problem owning up)
 
Here’s a sobering aspect…this episode likely only exists because of the characterization of the Wonderbolts presented in Rainbow Falls.
“is because Dash assumed they were judging her”
Oh gee willikers, I wonder how a normal person could possibly make that mistake! /sarcasm
 
Its almost as if being jeered at with a nickname that was a reminder of your failure could feel like they were judging her! /sacrasm
“That is why she needs the reveal at the end.”
Let me fix that for you: “This is why the Wonderbolts need the reveal at the end, to keep Dash’s respect and still on team.” Much better.
“Despite the fact that they’ve treated her no different than any other member of their squad”
Which leads to your argument’s biggest fallacy…you believe that even though the episode doesn’t show it. It only tells that they have/had embarrassing nicknames, which doesn’t mean much since they never use them, they never use them jeeringly and don’t laugh at each other onscreen or in the present at all.
 
What’s the golden rule of animation and film?
 
SHOW, DON’T TELL
 
Did we or Rainbow Dash see the other Wonderbolts being treated the same way? Of course not. Heck, when Spitfire used Soarin’s old nickname as an example only to show Dash, it was the first time Dash had heard anybody use a nickname while there besides herself. Us being informed of nicknames they never use anymore doesn’t tell us anything about how their experience was in the past, especially since it doesn’t exist in the present.
 
In contrast to a far better episode, in Wonderbolts Academy, we see Rainbow Dash being given the shouting drill sergeant routine and the other recruits being given the exact same treatment and it not phasing Rainbow Dash cause they were actually being treated no differently then Dash and showing it
“they are already want her there because they are well aware of how great she is.”
Which Dash wouldn’t know because the wonderbolts didn’t act that way beyond recruiting her, since they don’t know the difference between laughing at a person and laughing with a person, Dash obviously felt unwelcome. Necessary, but unwelcome.
Except her comments were always muttered, always out of earshot, and never taken to any of them directly
Muttering does not eliminate facial cues. Also, completely false on the last two accounts.
 
The yellow-haired wonderbolt was completely within earshot of one of her out-loud comments, and even responded to it mockingly. “Could’ve fooled me.”
 
And Rainbow Dash took her distaste directly to Spitfire when the jacket was revealed. Its not like Spitfire thought RD appreciated the nickname by her expressions.
Rainbow Dash has always been the type to hide her feelings.
Yes, and she’s horrendous at it. What’s your point? Their shock at her feeling unwelcome in the wonderbolts should of been non-existent.
We as an audience may see how she really feels, but that’s because we are supposed to.
So that suddenly edits what the others see or can figure out? The hell?!?
Her team has no reason to suspect she has that problem
See my replies hashtagged /sarcasm regarding common sense, being reminded of failure without context, combined with the reactions they did see, and the fact the yellow haired Wonderbolt heard it outloud and simply didn’t care.
 
….  
One of the biggest flaws in your argument is that you’ve built up this illusion that the Wonderbolts weren’t massively responsible for this communication breakdown, and due to the unlikelihood of the Wonderbolts all being surprised and blissfully unaware of how unwelcome they were making Dash feel while talking to her face(seriously, can not one of them read 10-year-old level facial cues?), its a big mark on the inexperience of the writer.
 
The narrative of this episode never draws attention to the fault of the wonderbolts, so why should the audience?…There is no reason the audience should accept that reasoning.
Background Pony #8E4D
There. Why did they need their respect for Dash to be ‘revealed’? And not talking about RD being adored throughout the episode or something silly opposite like that, I mean why does something as simple as respect need to be hidden and revealed later just to create a conflict?
Honestly? Probably because Rainbow Dash is far to hard on herself. I mean really, they are one of the most elite flight teams in Equestria. Yet the minute they needed help, they brought her in. She even makes a comment on it in the first part of the episode.  
Rainbow Dash: Yeah. Fire Streak decided to retire and teach full-time. Cloudsdale Flight School will probably be churning out Wonderbolts with him there. But guess who was at the top of the Reserve list.
She knows she’s at the top of the list, and considering the standard they set she has to know what it means that she’s their top pick for a replacement flyer. The problem is, she makes a mistake her first day, and because she holds herself to such a high standard she assumes they do as well. And as is always the case, rather than say anything to the team, she tries fixing it herself.
 
So with that in mind, let me correct one of your points.  
@CronoM  
This was the fallacy of logic I was explaining to @Beau Skunky about, but didn’t fully elaborate.
-The reason they revealed that they respected Dash so much at the end is because Dash was convinced she didn’t have their respect.
-The reason that Dash was convinced she didn’t have their respect is because Dash assumed they were judging her for her mistake as hard as she judges herself.
That is why she needs the reveal at the end. Despite the fact that they’ve treated her no different than any other member of their squad, Rainbow Dash assumed what she had done made her somehow lesser in the eyes of the team, and that she needed to make up for her actions and stand out in a different way.  
Rainbow Dash: I know, and I’m ready for whatever punishment you want. You guys were right to call me “Rainbow Crash”. I’ve always been a standout flyer, but since I joined the Wonderbolts, I’ve only stood out for making mistakes. [sighs] It’s been my dream my whole life, but… I guess maybe I’m not Wonderbolt material after all.
It’s part of the reason they are so surprised at the end. She’s been trying to prove she’s worth their time, and they are already want her there because they are well aware of how great she is.
 
 
@CronoM  
So many people say otherwise, that Dash was in the wrong for being mistaken, so lets look at it straight. By the time right before the show, Spitfire had already seen plenty of times her visual uncomfortability around the nickname and even voiced uncomfortability like with the jacket. Not once had they taken her aside and said ‘its just a little fun at your expense, no harm meant, were just messing with ya’
Except her comments were always muttered, always out of earshot, and never taken to any of them directly. Besides that, Rainbow Dash has always been the type to hide her feelings. She doesn’t typically share her emotions. We as an audience may see how she really feels, but that’s because we are supposed to. Her team has no reason to suspect she has that problem, and she does nothing to help them figure it out either.
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@CronoM  
I try not to be… Try.
 
But sometimes I don’t do so well and that upsets me :\
 
But I did say I wouldn’t last a day in the military, either. It’s just… I mean this is very tame compared to that stuff. But despite that people keep making a huge deal out of it like it were extremely exceptional. On the contrary, how everypony came out in the end was extremely sweet and unusual for a military-esque group like the Wonderbolts, and kind of shows a contrast in Equestria to RL.
 
I mean, it’s like, IRL, I think maybe crying to a group like that would make it worse. But in Equestria, apparently if you show that it really affects you, they’re like, “woah, hold on a minute, we didn’t mean it like that…”
Goremise

come to think of it, why was the entire plot for her wonderbolt episode, NOT on her becoming a wonderbolt but about her making a mistake, that gets her name called the entire ep?
 
Why not have the end her becoming one and the bit before the lead up to it? That way you setup later episodes for her experiences as being one, like they did with the CMC?
 
(again I remember all the good writers are gone)
 
It’s just like with Bab seed’s cutie mark, that she got offscreen out of nowhere.
Goremise

@Beau Skunky  
You said the same thing twice in your comment, made it a little harder to read x3
 
Sure I know some Dash fans will like it, but this is def the minority of Dash fans. You basically have to ignore all the mistakes that the episode did (or, well, be a child who enjoys things without analysing them) Since that’s our job to over analyse things xD
 
Just was hard to see Dash completely not act like herself. If she acted like herself, then the episode would be much more tolerable to a lot of people no matter the content.
 
@CronoM  
Exactly, If a good writer had the episode, one quick talk at the start “btw don’t call me that”
 
or Them actually noticing Dash’s reactions
 
or them respecting her from the start and not even doing this whole “sub plot made the entire plot” name calling thing that was put into her fricking WONDERBOLT episode just so at the end they can go “it’s all in good fun btw, it’s been an in-joke all this time, sorry that we didn’t use our nicknames or even say mine before telling you this as well, so suck it up Dash who cares what happened in your past or how emotionally scaring this has been”
 
lol.  
@Cirrus Light  
I thought you were not going to get involved and were going to ignore this thread?
CronoM

@Cirrus Light  
That’s a pretty needlessly condescending and nasty comment from someone who said before.
 
“But I really don’t want to get involved in a big argument again and it’s getting kind of nasty already.”
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@CronoM  
@Beau Skunky  
The one thing I keep thinking is that people like this wouldn’t last a day in the military.
 
I mean, I wouldn’t, either, but at least I’m aware of it, and that in certain contexts this sort of thing isn’t such a big deal. Or rather, it can be a bit of a big deal to someone who’s a bit more sensitive like Dash, but that it’s very common.
 
Makes me think of that guy in Attack on Titan who joined the Military Police to try to reform it in the last few episodes.