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Hence, season 1 naysayer.
@TexasUberAlles
Same; even season 3, IMHO, would rate at least “pretty good”.
I actually do think that, barring a few episodes, season 1 was mediocre. And I don’t remember saying it wasn’t.
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Well, this passage certainly seems to imply “mediocre” is the highest praise you’d offer for season 1:
Yes, they were “fine”, but only a few of them were anything more.
People keep idolizing Lauren faust as if she is perfect, but she isn’t. She also didn’t leave until season 3, and she still had a lot of involvement with season 2, but it was never all up to her. Assuming it was all her vision is an insult to all the writers and animators who made her vision a reality and have kept it going even after she left.
Not true, for example, in the first episode, electronic music can be heard in the background in-universe, and phonographs had been seen multiple times, among other things which I cannot list off the top of my head, but either way, it’s a minor detail that barely matters.
They still use their mouths for a lot of things, and I don’t remember the last time I saw a pony using their hooves to hold an object. Also, this is a cartoon, there is no “right way” for legs to bend, and again, they’re both minor details that barely matter.
I can agree with that, and I never said that it missed the mark in appealing to little girls, but you seem to be implying that no one cares anymore about producing quality episodes, which is completely false. And I cannot call most of the episodes produced under her supervision “excellent” not can I call most of the episodes produced without her, though I will say that the episodes without her are better, though I don’t believe that has anything to do with her leaving.
@Background Pony #1AF3
What made you assume I was a “season 1 naysayer”? Is it because I was willing to criticize the season that a lot of fans have nostalgia towards and think is close to perfect when it isn’t? And how is dale not being a “season 1 purist” here, at least by your apparently loose standards? Read this assuming no emotion.
Talking to a season 1 naysayer is about as likely to produce results as talking to a season 1 purist. Best to just let him be.
Nonsense. Season 1 had plenty of fine episodes–I’ve still never laughed as hard at anything in the series as I did when Flutterguy started singing.
And it certainly had a clearer vision, because that’s the only season when it was actually being run by someone with a specific vision. The technology didn’t get truly schizo until after Lauren left. Ponies used their mouths for more things instead of having weirdly sticky hooves. Their legs bent the right way.
Wanting to make excellent television for little girls is what led to the show being good in the first place, and that is the niche the show thrives when it occupies. When it’s doing that well, it’s producing content that all of us can appreciate, and it’s ignorant to talk like it missed the mark with little girls.
I agree that’s bullshit. At least most of the episodes were still really good, and the animation was much better.
At the climax of the episode, Ms. Harshwhinny complains about how, everywhere she goes, her hosts give her “the big phony-baloney song and dance” and she can “never get[…] the real inside scoop”. But she awards the Equestria Games to the Crystal Empire because of Ms. Peachbottom’s glowing description of the tour that she got… which, far from being the real inside scoop, was a big phony-baloney song and dance that had been planned for the real Games Inspector.
Not to mention the much lower quality animation.
It have it, though. Twilight surprised at her teleport, AJ levitating tickets, inconsistent magical glow, Spike not knowing how to spell, etc.
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Which moral? What are you talking about?
I think that’s your nostalgia talking. The early episodes weren’t that good, and they had a whole slew of inconsistencies and awkwardness. At the time of release, there were very few good cartoons, so even decent shows would gain a large following. I suspect that if season 1 had been released today, there would be no bronies, or at the very least, the fandom would be much, MUCH smaller. And to say the show had any “vision of it’s niche” is very ignorant, seeing as the show only had little girls and their parents in mind and the fanbase was merely an accident.
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I suspect it was mostly trying to do too much in too little time at DHX; remember, just a few episodes later they would completely, embarrassingly flub the moral in “Games Ponies Play”.
It’s hard to apply that to FiM, since the early installments are arguably when the show’s vision of its niche was at its clearest, best thought out, and most coherent.
I can agree with you there, though I’m not sure how much of spike at your service was laziness and how much was effort without enough skill.
I’m very generous with my after-episode time for filling in details on my own. I roll my eyes at ‘Everything wrong with…’ and other nitpickers. Sometimes the episode is something like ‘Spike at Your Service’, though, and the writing is just bad/lazy. I know what that looks like–writing and editing is most of my fandom activity.
>Implying Twilight doesn’t have a specific spell for sorting apples that lets her do it in 10 seconds flat.
What you call “lazy” I call “conservation of detail”. It seems the fans just want reasons to insult the writers and will call them out for anything even if the alternative would bog down the episode.
We got hater NUMBA WAN here.