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Why did you quite a reply to me?
I see. All this is tiring me out too. Goodnight then.
If I don’t ignore the things you say you’ll repeat them all night long no matter how many times you’re proven wrong, even in that last comment you tried bring it up about Trixie again by saying I started it even though it was in response to your comment saying Equestria doesn’t punish and I provided examples that disprove that on a strong level.
I like that your civil and all I’m trying to return it in kind but the constant repetition of your posts is giving me an aneurism, in fact I’m calling it a night, goodnight.
This really isn’t a discussion anymore if you’re just going to ignore the things I say.
I’m going to pretend the first half of that paragraph doesn’t exist for the sake of moving this along.
Let’s not forget you were the one who first brought up Trixie in this dicussion about Starlight and punishment. I’ve already made my point; while Trixie’s punishment might have been harsher than what was needed, it was not undeserved, as she had lied to her audience and actively sought out audience members to belittle and embarrass on stage. If you want to move on from this, I am fine with that.
@DarkStars
She shouldn’t have to rely on outright lying to build up hype. And if the heckling from three mane six members was truly bothering her, then she should have made them leave, rather than go to the length of embarrassing them in front of the audience. That’s what a sensible performer would do, anyway.
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“Ooo, what’s the matter? Afraid you’ll get a hair out of place in that rat’s nest you call a mane?”
That one was the only one that sounded like a put down the rest is just skill boasting and ursa stuff is a white lie and clearly over the top. This is ridiculous when you’re at parties and someone says they’re the best at [insert game here] and no one can beat them at it do you call them liars and say they are insulting people? Because it sure sounds like it. It’s not even demeaning statements she’s making, you’re blowing everything out of proportion.
I’m not even sure why you are still on about this, the topic was Starlight doesn’t receive punishment for anything and others do and Trixie’s was way worse than it should have been which isn’t even debatable and Starlight got rewarded and continues to get away with everything she does. Either make your point and move on or stop.
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Except, again, that’s you deliberately misinterpreting the point that she’s making. She’s simply building up hype and countering the three main six members that were heckling her.
I can assure you I have to several magic shows in real life. Lying and making the audience feel worthless is not hype. Here are some excerpts from Trixie’s dialogue:
“why, only the Great and Powerful Trixie has magic strong enough to vanquish the dreaded ursa major!”
“When all hope was lost, the ponies of Hoofington had no one to turn to, but the Great and Powerful Trixie stepped in, and with her awesome magic, vanquished the ursa major and sent it back to its cave deep within the Everfree Forest”
“Anything you can do, I can do better. Any takers? Anyone? Hmm? Or is Trixie destined to be the greatest equine who has ever lived!?”
“Oh ye of little talent. Watch and be amazed at the magic of Trixie!”
“Seems like anypony with a dash of good sense would think twice before tussling with the Great Trixie.”
“Ooo, what’s the matter? Afraid you’ll get a hair out of place in that rat’s nest you call a mane?”
If those aren’t examples of her blatantly lying and belittling audience members, then I don’t know what is. Now, it could be argued that Trixie is countering hecklers, but a sensible person would just have the hecklers removed or ignore them rather than start any sort of confrontation with them.
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Neither of those are even remotely close to the actual situation. Seeing as how you have clearly never been to ANY life magic show before, the magician IS NOT LYING, they are simply building up hype to get people excited about the show. It’s also not belittling regular people, it’s getting rid of hecklers. Hecklers are literally trying to ruin the show in any way they can, belittling them is basically the same as getting rid of a bully.
When has openly lying and making others feel worthless ever been common sense? Look, maybe those those two things aren’t as bad or severe as I think they are, but you’re the misguided one here if you actually believe behavior like that falls into common sense.
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And what I’m trying to explain to you is that you couldn’t possibly have any more of a completely misguided or just utterly wrong interpretation of something that isn’t even remotely the actual case here. Trixie IS NOT stooping to low tactics, SHE. IS. USING. COMMON. SENSE! Literally, ANYBODY IN THE WORLD CAN DO WHAT DID, WILL DO WHAT SHE DID, and NOBODY in the world can stop them. People like you can deliberately be wrong as much as you think, but your blatant denial of actual facts, the likes of which two people already have been calling you out on, is what’s hurting you.
And what I’m trying to say is that people usually don’t have the resort to questionable tactics such lying or making the audience feel worthless to build up hype. Just because you disagree with my viewpoint doesn’t automatically make me 100% wrong, and just because I disagree with yours doesn’t make me an idiot who doesn’t know anything. People do seek to get rid of hecklers, but they usually try to have them removed rather than intentionally instigating a confrontation with them.
They wouldn’t cease to function, but they would certainly be severely crippled. Unicorns start making use of magic from a very young age.
It wouldn’t be her fault that it showed up, but it would be her fault for blatantly lying about her abilities and encouraging an unrealistic expectation in her audience.
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Wrong, wrong, wrong, completely, utterly, WRONG!!! I never once said ANYTHING LIKE THAT. What I said was that people hype themselves up for the sake a crowd, then do what they need to do to guarantee anyone deliberately trying to ruin the show doesn’t come back. What you’re doing is absolutely refusing to even remotely acknowledge that you’re 100% wrong about Trixie in every possible manner, and the fact that you so blatantly ignore every single thing said to counter what you say is nothing but deliberate trolling. ANY stage actor builds themselves up in big ways, and ANYONE doing ANYTHING on stage would ALWAYS get rid of people heckling them. Which reminds me about something else you’re completely wrong about; these aren’t just ordinary audience members that are being treated like this, they’re trolls trying to go as far out of their way as humanly possible to interrupt and ruin every single moment of the show going on, they’re disrupting the peace and causing a ruckus. It’d be wrong if the person on stage tried to do these things to ordinary people, but to get rid of hecklers is fully justified. Seems you need to learn a lot more than I first thought.
I’m fine with her being limited to basic spells I said that earlier, something would be better than nothing, also I don’t think a unicorn would cease to function if they lost their magic they still have hooves and mouths like every other pony and we’ve seen Twilight use her hooves and mouth for everyday stuff just fine it wouldn’t be like removing someone’s hands.
Again if it showed up on it’s own it’s not her fault, that’s all there is to it she didn’t do anything wrong, some ponies may not trust her anymore after that but she didn’t cause it to show up so getting mad at her is pointless and doing what they did would still be as illegal as it was in the episode.
So what your telling me is that every stage magician openly tells lies and makes their audience feel worthless? Because that’s certainly not been my experience.
How is your analogy accurate? I never once mentioned that Starlight should be let loose and allowed to do whatever she wants. She still needs to be taught important skills regarding control of emotions and stress and monitored until she fully absorbs those skills. All I’m trying to argue is that taking away all the magic is unnecessarily harsh for any unicorn.
Again, magic is second nature to a unicorn like her. If you’re going to take away all her magic, you might as well also cut off the hands from a person. As I’ve already mentioned to DarkStars, limiting her magic to only the more basic spells is perfectly fine and a better option than taking away her magic altogether.
She might not have an explicit obligation to stop it, but since there’s no one else in particular who could take it on, there would sure be ponies turning to her for help without realizing she can’t actually do anything. While the fact she doesn’t perform any actual magic in her show does make her claims dubious, it doesn’t automatically confirm to the audience she’s incapable of performing any advanced magic.
What I’m saying is that you need to learn what theatrics are. And don’t even bother trying to say otherwise, because EVERY SINGLE STAGE MAGICIAN DOES THE EXACT SAME THING. Trixie isn’t any different from them either, the only thing you could really say being how she’s unfairly judged for things that she didn’t even cause.
As for my analogy, it’s almost entirely accurate since in both cases, you’re putting the mental conditions of others before the safety and well-being of everyone around them. In reality, you’d lock them away until they could be remotely trusted enough to behave properly, then when they’re ready for society again, you can take off the training wheels. Until that happens though, restricting everything about her magic is just a precaution for the benefit of everyone around them. It’s common sense.
“For the last time, Trixie doesn’t need to rely on openly lying to and depreciating her audience to be entertaining. Being able to perform elaborate magic tricks, the main goal for any stage magician like her, should more than suffice.”
I’m not denying she lied and talked down to others but that still doesn’t make her bad and it certainly doesn’t justify the punishment she got, they took a punch in the arm and they responded with a knife to the gut.
I’m not trolling; I’m legitimately confused as how you don’t believe blatant lying and making people feel worthless is wrong. How exactly am I wrong? Are you saying I should be lying to others and disparaging people all the time?
Now you’re just twisting my words. At no point have I ever said she should be let go to do whatever she pleases; your serial killer analogy is completely irrelevant to what I was trying to convey. I have been suggesting this whole time that she can be indoctrinated in controlling her emotions and stress levels without taking away her magic completely, something that is practically second nature to her as a unicorn. In fact, I am more than okay with her being limited to only the more basic spells until she fully learns those skills.
For the last time, Trixie doesn’t need to rely on openly lying to and depreciating her audience to be entertaining. Being able to perform elaborate magic tricks, the main goal for any stage magician like her, should more than suffice.
That wouldn’t matter, her being inconvenienced isn’t as bad as her putting others in danger, her stress is not a priority.
You mean besides the one that were waiting for her at her house?
“Trixie lie wasn’t entirely harmless, though. The average pony stands no chance when up against and Ursa Major”
That just reinforces my previous statement.
“so what if one attacked Ponyville unprovoked and everyone turned to her for help, believing that she would be able to defeat it? If there were no Twilight, Ponyville would be done for in that scenario.”
If it showed up unprovoked then it wasn’t her fault and she has no obligation to stop it, whether she lied at that point or not wouldn’t matter as it showed up on it’s own and if the ponies expect the street magician who exhibited very little magic prowess beyond bright lights to be able to stop it then they are beyond stupid just like they were in the episode.