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I’d disagree. Putting Twilight in charge of this probably would’ve caused her own ideas about the situation to trump everyone else’s. I mean it’s hard to beat the first-hand knowledge that comes with: having spent a large part of her life directly under Celestia’s care, experiencing Luna’s transform into NMM via the Alicorn Bottle/Potion, and having been a part of the team who finally ended NMM.
That the Map forced Twilight to take a back seat probably prevented this from becoming an ep one where she would’ve tried to methodically logic her way through the situation without taking risks like she did in the The Hooffields and McColts.
But would the Princesses believe that a 1000+ year old chaos deity who swapped their CMs with the snap of his fingers somehow couldn’t undo that spell with similar ease? That an old adversary who they couldn’t defeat without the Elements, and who is most likely no longer afraid of them was really at his limits?
That Starlight is in some ways subordinate to the Princesses (i.e. isn’t an Alicorn, wants to appease Twilight) helped to directly establish some clear tension in her character. Tension that Discord probably would’ve laughed off.
The setup is much smaller with Starlight given we’ve already seen her do CM magic. … I can’t recall an instance when Discord did something quite as direct. (Although I may be forgetting.)
Well, that’s the bulk of what I want to say.
I mean, it’s definitely possible that with enough changes to that part of the ep, lots of other characters could’ve had better shots at this role.
Although I’d wager that given the importance/symbolism of CMs in the show, using Starlight’s CM-magic past as a way to get the princesses to walk a mile in eachother’s shoes is probably the best way to do something along those lines. A more generic approach (body swap/fusion/etc) could also be done, but I don’t think it would’ve felt as uniquely-MLP as what we got.
I don’t want to make any comment on the insults here, but there is something to be said for knowing your audience. People are often more receptive to ideas when they’re written in a way that feels familiar to them. Speaking formally in an informal setting or vise versa can have harm persuasiveness (depending on the situation).
@Background Pony #BB98
@CaptainGrumpy
it’s not the point though. I just hate extremes, that’s all..
besides, I’d rather if we could keep the humanity in these conversations, all this idea of talking in a most sterile matter is either for aliens, or robots, it’s not for humans and it never lasts.
the logic here is “if I use big words and act posh people will think I’m right” when really it’s just like someone with a big ego ate a thesaurus and wants to boast that he did it
I read his posts in Hoity Toity’s voiceSetting aside that there’s another option, that of not insulting the other person(s), I just found it odd that you spent so much time complaining about being the victim of an ad hominem attack (after, again, it was your opinion that was described as preposterous) when you want to engage in ad hominems yourself. But I suppose that falls under your “when in Rome” belief, since I see that sort of double-standard constantly in internet arguments.
Twilight would not have worked, she would’ve been too afraid of messing up the Sister’s relationship to freak out and push things forward like Starlight did. (As the ep showed by her propensity for freaking out over the events that were transpiring.)
Discord has betrayed the Sisters in the past, and isn’t known for taking things seriously. If he had tried to pull this stunt with his usual joking demeanor, the Princesses very well may have just assumed he was doing it to irritate them and not thought deeper of it. What is currently a day-in-the-life-of would’ve become a lets-hunt-for-Discord, which wouldn’t have easily lent itself to a comparison of the usual duties the sisters had to deal with. Searching for Discord also could’ve easily overshadowed the core conflict between the sisters, making it harder for progress on that front to be made.
The rest probably don’t have the power to switch CMs. So it would be better to use an established means to that end (Starlight) rather than serendipitously adding a new method immediately before needing to use it.
Starlight offers a good combination of: known to switch CMs, known to resort to magic when things get tough, can channel Twi’s worries to keep her own internal tensions up and keep her worried/focused/serious about what was happening.
christ. you really think you’re being a victim here, don’t you?
well, if that’s what you think, you have fun with that then. just because people think differently, doesn’t mean they’re belittling you, you’re the only one drawing that conclusion all on your own and as you can see from the tone in your replies here, it’s not really great for conversation.
as for Twilight, I still think she’s too biased to simply just, learn to let go of her biases. I don’t think that kind of script would have worked as well as you’d hope, it’s definitely not a change I would expect to happen in just one single episode.
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@Background Pony #BB98
@TexasUberAlles: “undercutting the tone you’re attempting to convey with the rest of your writing here”
No, I’d say it’s very much in keeping with the tone they wish to convey. This is, after all, the user who pined for being able to call someone a puerile and witless fool.
you know what else is baffling? Your current position on this. You don’t seem capable of understanding that you’re holding a very unpopular opinion.
were I in your shoes, I would have been aware of this. My opinion isn’t all that popular, nor is it self-explanatory. But you seem to be blaming others of attacking you, when all they confronted is this idea that seems inexplicable.
Just like how I defend sometimes NMM’s actions as making sense, in the pilot, so do you have to swallow that pill and talk about it rationally, as well as from a position that show others you understand where you’re coming from with it.
if for example, I did something similar to you here and claimed victimhood because they made me feel stupid for thinking NMM’s actions in the pilot (against the M6) can be explained, exactly in the way you did it here, I’d have just as hard of a time as you are now.
your current filter.because like it not, it is a baffling idea. how that can offend you is ludicrous, but if it does, well then, feel free to do that.
Still, this claim of victimhood won’t do you any favors though. The idea of Twilight being the better mediator still remains baffling to me and whatever you’re inferring from that is all on you. Nobody said or called you lesser for thinking that, you only just now seem incapable of reevaluating your point, or deal with such a point being confronted.
You should take that act to Vegas, I’m sure you’d make a killing. Also thanks for proving me absolutely correct about the sneering civility dynamic that these forums create. You’re doing me proud!
@toxicitzi
That’s the thing, TexasUberAlles could’ve have phrased his/her post as you suggest, but s/he did not.
yes. and he was talking about your conclusion, ergo, it was an attack if you will, on your conclusion. The idea of ad hominem is to ignore the argument and attack the person.
Oh, you do actually know her full name!
So I ought not poke fun at Starlight Glimmer, a cartoon character, but you can directly insult me, a human being. Droll.
And it also makes Pinkbeardedpony look like a bratty child every time it’s done.
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tells readers that my conclusion was not just erroneous, but aberrant
Well, no, it was an expression of honest confusion, because the contention that Twilight would have been better suited to help The Sisters was so glaringly counterfactual to what we actually saw onscreen in the episode that the position just does not make any sense. She really could not have made it any more obvious that she wasn’t capable of the task.
People saying they would have preferred Twilight in Starlight’s role is simply a different opinion; that would have made it a completely different episode, though, more along the lines of Lesson Zero or It’s About Time.
Well I’m not going to stop giving derisive nicknames to Glible Globle
Frankly, from a stylistic standpoint, it is very much undercutting the tone you’re attempting to convey with the rest of your writing here.
I didn’t mean to imply that they were wholly resistant to working with Glucker, only that she didn’t bring anything to the table other than impudence and magical power. Any adult with a stronger relationship with the princesses might have had similar or more enriching results. Discord in particular can do everything that Glimmer can do, but also knows Celestia and Luna better and so their dialogue would have almost certainly been more interesting.
Well I’m not going to stop giving derisive nicknames to Glible Globle, and that’s that. Indignation at such a trifling writing practice is not a serious concern. It would have been nice if Drama King were more clear on that point from the jump.
Your other claim, the more important one is one of implication. Sure, if TexasUberAlles had simply posed his confusion in the form of a question, such as, “What you are trying to say?,” or “Can you explain how you arrived at your conclusion?” then you would be correct. However, the first portion of his post was solely intended to discredit me. “How anyone could have watched that episode and come to the conclusion,” tells readers that my conclusion was not just erroneous, but aberrant. That is what I objected to.
They spoke candidly to Glimmer when the situation was at a lull, but they shoved her aside when the tension ratcheted back up. It’s a classic case of putting on a facade to keep up appearances. I feel that almost any other member of the Mane 6 or Spike or Discord would have been a better candidate for mediator.
People are allowed to call you out for it. Don’t be a hypocrite.
@Pinkbeardedpony
Expressing confusion at someone’s line of reasoning is not an attack on their character except to an overly sensitive individual.
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