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since i drew Cynder with Ember i thought of drawing these two together aswell
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This could help :)
I was content for no longer talking about the subject, but someone else insisted I reply to them.
Regardless, I’m done.
THANK GOD! I was tired of him
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@Daneasaur
Turning fan artist’s images into your personal soapboxes for your dislike of a theme is not only rude, it is against our rules. Use the forums for these kinds of posts.
Everyone else: Comments on images should be apropos the artist’s image, they aren’t for random debates about what character you do or don’t like.
no, I’m a person who has a life, i’m not gonna deal with some stupid argument that ultimately means nothing cause no matter what is said what’s done is done and spike has wings, I live with that a stopped caring. I respondent cause this kept ending up in notifications never said who I agreed with just to, “shut the fuck up” ,now let’s ask a real question who are you and why are you getting involved in an argument that has nothing to do with you?
Lesson of the day for you pal: Mind your business or you’ll end up in your own trouble
What BP wrote was clearly not intended as trolling. He addressed all your points and debunked them rationally one by one. Yet you chose to ignore it all just because he’s a BP, which is something I haven’t seen anyone else do other than you. So yes, it kinda seems like you’re just running away from having to face the light, by using it as an excuse.
Also, I have seen you complain many times that everyone who disagrees with you never gives any reasons for it, and is all just empty fanboyism. Yet this thread proves you’re wrong. And I’ve seen this thread happen many times before. The thing is you just decide it didn’t happen whenever you like, to keep pretending to have a point. And think no one notices.
Yet 1 person agrees with you and you pat on the back even when they don’t offer anything but an offensive one-liner. In other words, clear trolling. Oh, but since he was on your side, then trolling is ok, I guess. You won’t answer to BPs who are clearly putting time and thought into the argument, just because they don’t agree with you, but will agree with obvious trolls as long as they’re on your side. You’re a total hypocrite. That’s why you tend to get so much hate.
I used to feel sorry for you, especially when the news about the wings just came out and you were crying rivers about all the meanies who were supposedly going to gang up on you as revenge for the years you made their threads miserable. But now I see they were right. You really are a terrible person.
@Spikey
Are you proud of that?
Congrats. You’re the only troll in this thread.
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Aye. Background ponies commence the loudest duckery around here.
Shut the fuck up
Bait huh? So you think someone actually wrote all that as bait.
That’s really what you’re going with in order to avoid facing the points that disprove your argument? Sigh
I guess I should’ve expected that. People have spent years trying to explain to you why that obsession with your headcanon’s superiority over what anyone else wants is unhealthy, as well as noting your tendency to lash out at anyone who disagrees with it, while at the same time disproving once and again what only you ever considered as “evidence” for your headcanon.
And yet, you’re still here saying the same things and ignoring everyone’s prefferences, because yours are clearly more important, are obviously “better”, and the show and anyone who disagrees doesn’t know quality like you do.
And yet I’m the one who fears being “wrong”, despite you being the one who runs away everytime anyone brings up how flawed your egocentric reasoning is. Because hiding behind excuses (not replying to BPs) is easier.
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@Background Pony #4B34
I almost replied to this bait, then I noticed it was a background pony.
I think I’ll default to @zeb and not grace you with a proper response since you obviously fear being wrong, thus hiding as a BG pone. Repost with your profile active and I’ll give you an actual reply.
Pretty sure the “looked better” argument was supposed to be about you insisting it was because Sypro instead. Can’t talk for DarkSonata, but the reason I mentioned it was because its more likely for people to want wings because they’re one of the most recognizable and cool aspects of dragons in almost every single piece of media, rather than just so he can look like this other cartoon dragon that not everyone knows.
This is why I said I was afraid this would fall on deaf ears. Because it really looks like you don’t want to accept that most people like wings on dragons (even if you don’t) and that’s why most wanted Spike to grow them. Not Spyro.
Also, dragons looking better with wings isn’t why Spike’s are canon. They’re canon because he grew them in the show. Before that, they were just an artistic preference for a lot of people since, again, despite what you believed, it was never set in stone that he wouldn’t get them.
@Daneasaur
No we didn’t. Everything was dubious at best. Enough to create diverse headcanons, not enough to believe anything was set in stone, like you seemed to.
-Didn’t have wings? He was smaller than them. Always possible he would get them with age.
-They mocked him? They were teenage jerks and he was younger/smaller than them. S’ what they do.
-The show never talked about it? Maybe they hadn’t decided, maybe they wanted it to be a surprise. Lack of info doesn’t confirm either possibility.
-His greed form was bulkier than the other 2 adult dragons? Curious, but proved nothing. Torch’s design looked closer to Spike’s greed form that to the “standard” adult dragon model. And he had wings.
Etc. There was never solid evidence for either side. Anything else was how we decided to interpret certain scenes. You interpreted some a different way than others. Neither side could be considered correct at that point. You don’t like that the show didn’t go with what you believed so you’re understandably annoyed, but don’t pretend it contradicted itself, because it didn’t.
@Daneasaur
A lot of fans liked and still like that. Because he still is.
Its too bad if the lack of wings was the only thing that made him unique for you. Nothing we can do about that. For a lot of us though, it always went deeper than that.
@Daneasaur
The Mane6 sans Twilight don’t have/lack any physical characteristic other members of their species have/lack, and they’re not considered cookie cutter ponies. Because their personalities make them unique. Same for Spike.
If that wasn’t enough for you, and you needed to believe in some hypothetical secret origin or subspecies headcanon to think of him as unique, then I’m afraid that’s on you. For a lot of Spike fans him not being either a mutant, a secret experiment, or from a lost subspecies, doesn’t take away from his uniqueness as a character compared to the rest of his kind.
@Daneasaur
The wings don’t change anything. You wanted it to be part of the mystery, but the truth is if they were ever or are still planning on something like that for Spike, it just means whatever is different about him doesn’t include lacking wings. That part was just a personal preference of yours.
His inability to mesh with other dragons was always very clearly about him being raised by ponies. His “unique growth” (if you reffer to greed) was thrown out the window the same episode it happened, since Zecora knew exactly what was happening which meant it was something relatively normal for all dragons.
The mystery about his egg’s origin is still there and there’s still many cool things they can do with that. Having wings doesn’t change anything. I mean, if they wanted they could still reveal he’s from a different species of dragon with unique abilities like you wanted. It’d just mean this new kind also has wings aside from whatever else.
However, I doubt you didn’t consider this possibility, which leads me to believe that you simply didn’t want him to have wings, and so every mystery surrounding him was just an excuse to have that one way or another.
@Daneasaur
Spike himself started walking on all fours during his greed phase. Torch was always in all fours. Spike himself ran in all fours one episode. Garble also moved on all-fours when was pushing back Spike in Dragon Quest.
Once again, I won’t deny that there’s obviously people that relate the two, but its insane of you to think anyone who has an older Spike walking on all-fours does It because of Spyro. Same reason as before. Most older dragons in media (if not all) are depicted walking like that. For a lot of people a dragon looks better moving like that.
Spyro be damned, he doesn’t decide what looks good or bad for dragons in general. Please understand that already.
@Daneasaur
This just shows you have no intention of being even remotely fair about this.
There’s always going to be people who like both characters, aren’t color-blind, and notice that they look similar. That has nothing to do with most people wanting him to be a clone of him. Most of Spyro’s characteristics are CLASSIC dragon characteristics that almost every dragon in media has. Why do you keep insisting on ignoring this?
@Daneasaur
No I think he/she was right on point.
Your statements are all just your own opinions on the way writers should handle things whether other peole agree or not. And you do seem to complain about this more than anyone else on this site.
@Daneasaur
I don’t know everyone you have talked to, but I don’t remember people telling you Spike would definetly get wings and that it would be a fact. People just liked to play with the idea because it would be cooler for them than not getting them. You on the other hand always seemed pretty hostile towards anyone who even DARED to doubt your wingless headcanon, because you thought you had evience, even though it wasn’t.
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Which doesn’t mean anything. Many people firmly believed we’d either never see the CMC get their marks during the show’s life, or it would happen near the end. This is not an argument.
@Daneasaur
This is something I’ve seen you repeat many times, and its still false. He was only stated to be different in terms of his personality, which was because of the ponies raising him. Everything else was the teens mocking him, which always had strong connotations of being related to his age and stature more than anything else.
It was only you who decided to build a headcanon about how their mockery was instead because Spike was from a completely different species, even though this is what never had any real evidence. Even though it was always most likely that it was just bigger kids bullying a smaller one for trying to do the stuff they do, and that having wings just mean they were older.
And before you repeat it again, no his greed form having a different model wasn’t evidence. Some ponies have different models as well, and after that episode we got a 2nd adult dragon model, and then we had Torch with a 3rd. It being different just meant they wanted his adult form to look different from the standard model they had used until that point (S2). Imagining any deeper meanings at that point was stretching it.
@Daneasaur
Exactly. Every form he artificially grew into (2) was different. Which automatically meant nothing we saw from either of them could be immediately taken as “canon” for his real adult self.
@Daneasaur
The problem is you keep refusing to accept the fact that what you wanted isn’t necessarily the best thing they could’ve done with his character for everyone else. You’re set on the idea that what you wanted was objectively better, even though the majority of his fans wanted wings based on their own prefferences. Which you choose to generalize as “lol Spyro” because you refuse to accept that most people simply think dragons look better with wings, and didn’t want their favorite dragon to be left without them.
You seemed to think the lack of wings was because of some elaborate secret origin, but this was never likely. And heck, if they ever planned something like that for Spike, its not like having wings really changes anything. It just means whatever secret origin he could have doesn’t involve him lacking them.
@Daneasaur
He was always different from other dragons. And still is. For reasons that have nothing to do with his body, and that most of his fans like about him.
He didn’t have to be physically different for this point to be hammered further.
In fact, its precisely because doesn’t belong to some completely different kind, that they could make clear that everyone can change for the better. If they had made him physically different, then that would’ve been the precieved reason why he’s good while the “normal” dragons are bad. Which would’ve been meh.
@Daneasaur
So? Why does the show not directly addressing something automatically had to mean your argument was right? That makes no sense. Them not addressing it just meant the mystery was still there. Nothing else. Maybe they hadn’t decided at that point. Maybe they had but wanted to keep people wondering if it would ever happen or not, until it finally did.
@Daneasaur
Which again, while curious at the time, was still never a solid argument for no-wings. The growth was always implied to be artificial and Molt Down confirmed it. It was just a spontaneous condition (like a sickness) and since dragons get their wings through molting, if they didn’t have them before the sickness, their sick/inflated forms wouldn’t either. The end.
@Daneasaur
How is this even an argument? It was a fantasy of him being a big and strong knight. Before asking yourself why it didn’t have wings, ask yourself why was it was nowhere near as big as an actual dragon and why was it way more humanoid than any dragon. Because it was a nonsense fantasy that, aside from the fire, wasn’t based on anything from how actual dragons look like. He just wanted to look like a handsome knight. You’re taking it way too seriously.
@Daneasaur
The show never went on any “direction”. It simply avoided the issue completely, which is different. It didn’t present him wingless “time and time again”. What? That was just how he was, and it didn’t specify why. It was always open. It didn’t need to say “put wings on me” because apparently it was never supposed to be a big deal. It was just growing up.
The reason this bothers you so much is because you imagined the wings thing would be because of some big deal. I can’t fault you for that. Shows that you’re really a Spike-fan. But the point is the show never backpedalled at all because it never implied it would be a big deal. From the start it was always likely that he was just too small to have them, and nothing else.
Incorrect. I’ve openly stated why it upset me and many others.
Why? Because him having a lack of wings made him different from the other dragons. Also, multiple instances through the series could have left any number of simple words to say it was age related, but they never did. IE: “He doesn’t even have any wings.” as said by Garble and Ember at different times. All that they needed to say was “He doesn’t have any wings yet.” Boom, problem solved, it’s an age thing. Then there is the greed growth and Spike still doesn’t have wings. Then there is his dream-look and he still doesn’t have wings. NOTHING about Spike ever said “put wings on me”, instead the show AKA canonical material went in the opposite direction and presented time and again that he lacks wings, that makes him a weird dragon. Anyone putting wings on him was pulling from headcanon, not canonical material. Your argument in that comment is that, if I put actual spikes on the end of his tail and he “looked better”, then it’s canon. I can’t begin to state why that’s wrong.
As I said, the other dragons continued to point out that Spike was weird. Spike doesn’t look like any other dragon, and when he had his greed growth, and even when twilight accidentally accelerated his growth, his was larger and more burly than any dragon we’d ever seen. We had every reason to believe he was different.
Maybe a lot of fans of Spike liked the idea of him being unique and not being a cookie cutter tool abused by the rest of the cast. As I said and will keep saying: Spike lacking wings, the unknown origin of his egg, his inability to mesh with other dragons, and his very unique growth left the door open for many many possibilities. All were squandered by slapping wings on him and calling it a day because lol who cares if spike gets any character development, he’s just another stupid dragon.
When I stop seeing images of Spike:
1: with wings walking on all fours (NONE of the dragons do that other than the green adult in Owls Well that Ends Well)
2: in the same image with spyro
Then maybe you’ll have an argument in your favor of “people who wanted spike to have wings weren’t all spyro fans”, because all those images say the exact opposite.
You have failed. Reread the statements provided then come back when you have an argument.
None of them were facts for anything? But randomly slapping wings on him in a random mid season episode was “totally always going to happen”? Your mental gymnastics have earned you a gold medal.
I’ll keep that in mind next time the show contradicts something that happened prior, you get upset, and then I get to tell you that your show-supported-facts were “all just headcanon”.
@Daneasaur
And Spike being some rare kind of dragon that doesn’t have wings was also always nothing but headcanon too. It just seems like you’re treating their headcanon as something that was wrong to have, while your own headcanon of him not growing wings was somehow ok? Why? Because you were super sure? Because previous Spikes didn’t have wings even thought they’re not the same character? Why did people who wanted Spike (a member of a species of winged creatures) to eventually grow wings, needed any “basis” other than dragons having wings and looking better with them?
@Daneasaur
There was also nothing in the show’s lore that said there were any dragons that never grew wings. Yet you seemed to be so sure the show was pointing on that direction because it was your headcanon to believe so. There’s no difference.
Also, yes it does matter if it looked nice or if they preffered it that way. That by itself goes against your argument because like BP said, dragons having wings is such a normal, common and popular trait, most people immediately identify dragons having them. So it makes way more sense that people wanted him to get wings because of that rather than Spyro, who not everyone who likes Spike is even a fan of.
It makes sense that some Spyro fans saw the similaries between them since earlier, but its ridiculous to think that was ever the main reason for the “pro-wings” people. Spike’s wing situation was a big topic about his character almost since the begining, and I can’t believe you can’t see why lot of people wanted him to get them even without knowing anything about Spyro.
@Daneasaur
Really unfair. You also only ever had headcanons and no in-show facts for anything, yet you complained more than anyone else on this site.
You’re so pissed about his wings its like the staff personally promised you something and then backed of. From what I remember from previous discussions over this, people told you many times: Stuff like nictitating membranes, Spike digging a couple of times or his greed form having bulky shape, none of those things were facts for anything. Yet you treated them like they were while claiming people who wanted wings only wanted them because Spyro.
That’s why people always argue with you. Because you try to generalize as dismiss other’s prefferences despite your entire side having always been based on a headcanon you “wanted” but had no real arguments for either.
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Well, I did reply to someone who wanted/mistook my opinion of spyro images. I merely elaborated, though I apologize for the double post.
That’s nicely written and all. But please keep such detailed posts on that topic to images that are focused on that subject, or to the forums.
Thank you.
Derpibooru ate my reply for some stupid reason.
So you get the short version:
Spike spent 8 seasons with no wings, being told he’s different from other dragons, and any grown form was completely unique, still not sporting wings (instead of rehashing the red and green dragons of season 1). Pro-wing folks had only headcanon and no in-show facts for wanting Spike to have wings. A lot of these people are spyro fans.
Why does this frustrate me?
We wanted Spike to have something neat and to showcase his growth: grow a little taller, more defined scale patterns, something that keeps his details still in the dark and still give possibility of his future having a much more grand purpose.
But we didn’t get that. He didn’t even get to keep the somewhat cool stone scale pattern.
your current filter.No, instead, he sprouts wings, arguably the easiest thing for the animation team to mess up with.
your current filter.
your current filter.
your current filter.This is a slap in the face and says that the writers just don’t care, as evidenced by the end of the episode where no one cares and it means nothing.
The people who wanted to put wings on Spike had no basis to put wings on him for any reason outside of headcanon. The other dragons pointed him out as a runt and nothing like them, and no version of Spike has ever had wings, and even his greed growth spurt lacked them. They could have saved a bunch of money by just re-hashing the red (dragonshy) or green dragon (owls well that ends well) which have wings. They didn’t and instead made a very specially designed dragon who has no wings. Why do this then throw it away by giving him wings and excusing the greed growth as something different? Simple: change of writers since season 2.
It didn’t matter if it “looked nice” or if they “preferred” Spike with wings, there was nothing in the show’s lore that said he would or should ever grow them. Only when the fans quipped up and demanded “some development for Spike” did the writers finally do something, and they used the back door to go “oh well molt LOL” and now Spike… is just a dragon who is less useful than Ember or Smolder since he can’t tap into any of his useful dragon aspects.
He didn’t even get to keep his cool stone scale patterning.
your current filter.So to say my complaining is strictly about the spyro angle is false, but a lot of the people who wanted him to have wings just so happen to be spyro fans.
Me? I’m angry they threw away all his potential on a gimmick that was proven useless by the end of the episode.
It still kinda feels like you were wrong though.
I mean, obviously there had to have been people who weren’t color-blind and realized they looked similar even before the wings, since both are relatively small, cute dragons and both are purple, but is it seriously that hard to understand that maybe, just maybe, it is only a small minority of people who think dragons look better without wings that with them?
And thus the fact that they wanted him to grow wings was more due to most people preffering how dragons look with wings, and that they have become as much of a distinguishing feature than the fire-breath itself?
But I guess this will once again fall on deaf ears, and you’ll keep insisting “it was all because Spyro” instead.
Seriously dude. Let it go already. Most people wanted Spike to get wings because dragons look better with them, and getting them would represent him taaking a step towards that majestic image. Which has nothing to do with his personality either.
Its fine that you didn’t think that way, but to blame everyone who disagreed with you on “Spyro-obsession”? Come on.
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True, should be fun, just wish they didn’t clutter the older dragons with a hundred thousand accessories.
Ditto
NOW I REALLY WANT SPYRO REIGNITED TRILOGY TO COME OUT NOW!!
I was told, very vehemently that I was “wrong” and that the reason he should have wings is “it fits my headcanon”.
Suddenly, spike gets wings and the spyro images have skyrocketed.
Doesn’t seem like I was wrong, does it?