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Holy cow was this a bad episode. Pinkie said “without the yovidaphone her life had no meaning”.
So she, without a second thought, moved away from all her best friends who’d die for her because she can live without them, but not some stupid f**king instrument she started playing the other day? I know this is a kid’s show, but the cringiest self-insert fanfics have better writing.
It’s not like she tried moving away in Party of One when she thought none of them wanted to be her friend anymore. So some instrument is actually more important to her than her friends.
If anyone can defend this, I’d love to hear it.
So she, without a second thought, moved away from all her best friends who’d die for her because she can live without them, but not some stupid f**king instrument she started playing the other day? I know this is a kid’s show, but the cringiest self-insert fanfics have better writing.
It’s not like she tried moving away in Party of One when she thought none of them wanted to be her friend anymore. So some instrument is actually more important to her than her friends.
If anyone can defend this, I’d love to hear it.
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We must learn the same thing over and over again to remember.
That line refers to their acceptance of the fact they aren’t perfect and have flaws. Those flaws obviously shaped who they are, but that doesn’t mean they have a desire to keep them.
“but it’s our flaws that make us work” lyrics from the episode’s song.
i don’t know about you, but that looks like they’re taking a lot of pride in being flawed people and not caring to work to improve themselves.
When was it implied the mane six weren’t going to work on their flaws? The point of the song was simply to show that the mane six won’t let the fact they aren’t living up to the fans’ expectations of perfection adversely affect them. They accept that they have flaws, but they certianly aren’t taking pride or choosing to grow complacent with them. The entire show is about them overcoming their flaws.
As Beau Skunky mentioned, the episode wasn’t really anti-criticism. The fanaticism demonstrated by the fans was anything but constructive.
@NLTLF
The episode isn’t about the fans; it’s about the mane six’s reactions to the behavior of those fans. And that was given a proper conclusion.
conflict of episode: citizens complaining
ending of episode: citizens complaining
end the story please
I don’t think it was “anti-criticism,” I think you’re reading too into that. Especially, sense other episodes have shown criticism is fine.
Not to mention, there is good criticism, and bad criticism. As for the ending, I didn’t mind it, as they implied their fame died down, and such.
well, that’s a good message if those “flaws” are things like your gender or things you aren’t able to change. but admitting your flaws is only the first step to improving. the rest of the way is actually working to fix them, knowing you are able to change. under no circumstances should you say “i’m flawed, deal with it.”
THERE ARE FLAWS ABOUT YOU THAT YOU CAN CHANGE. i want to make that as absolutely clear as possible.
sure, without flaws, you’d have a mary sue, which nobody likes, but you have to work to improve your flaws to show you care about it. accepting your flaws is a good message, being proud of them is not.
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The mane six at the end of the episode were in a much, much better place than they were before. Previously, they took all the attention they were receiving from fans–both positive and negative–seriously, and as a result, they ended up suffering emotionally. At the end, though, they learned not to let the actions and words of others affect them.
What was wrong with the message about flaws? You can’t fix your flaws if you aren’t even willing to admit you have any.
but they essentially wind up in the same place as they were before. the episode feels like nothing happened. also the “flaws made us work” message is just terrible.
I was hooked too before AJ just started crapping on their designs and ya, I kind of wanted to smack that strawberry pony upside the head. Though the path they chose required some ass to give their honest opinion to “teach” AJ what she did was basically the same thing. Like I said, ham fisted.
I agree “Fame and Misfortune” had its fair share of flaws, but I don’t think the ending is one of them. If nothing else, it’s true to real life. Sometimes the best course of action to take when people are bickering with each other over largely insignificant things (like fans arguing over minute details) is simply to let them duke it out until they have no more fight left in them. In that sense, “Fame and Misfortune” does have an ending. The mane six learn not to let themselves be affected by all the arguing no matter how bad it gets, and the overzealous fans will leave when they eventually get tired of quibbling with each other.
honest apple actually had me hooked for a bit, but then the strawberry bitch showed up and i had a least favorite episode and a least favorite pony to go with it.
i don’t hate fame and misfortune because it “mocks the fandom” which i never felt it was doing, but I hated it because it tried to put down the criticism aimed at the mane six as characters by saying that they have feelings. it doesn’t realize the difference between in universe criticism and out of universe criticism and it just ends up looking like they don’t want us to critique the show or its characters because they’re…real.
also, the episode has literally no ending. they do the song and whatnot and everyone just keeps complaining. sure, that’s insulting, but the writers need to, you know, end the stories they try to tell.
I too, didn’t hate fame and misfortune, and agree some fans may have taken it personally, but felt it was sort of forced for the sake of making those points. If it was more natural or written better it would have been better received. So good idea, poor execution imo.
Honest Apple was just so ham fisted and hinged on Applejack being a fool (and Rarity asking AJ to judge avant garde fashion just because she’s honest). Like we’ve seen instances of her stretching or embellishing the truth to not hurt a pony’s feelings so when she’s apparently oblivious to this and has her epiphany it’s just so asinine.
I actually enjoyed those episodes. lol
I think some fans took “Fame & Misfortune” too personally, I think it was exploring & spoofing the downsides of popularity, (which I’m sure some fanartists, and such can actually relate to) rather then “mocking the fandom.”
the episode actually uses the WRONG lesson in this scenario because of how pinkie is playing it at inconvenient times. whether someone’s good at it or not, i wouldn’t want anyone playing a bagpipe outside my house when i’m trying to sleep. it’s as if the show thinks you’ll always be appreciated for something if you’re skilled at it, and the truth is, depending on the scenario, you won’t always be.
However, the whole moving without saying goodbye thing was kind of a passive-aggressive selfish choice on her part.
It’s also extremely difficult to have any sympathy for her when they go out of their way to show her playing the instrument literally ruins the lives of others.
Well put. I’ve been thinking so much of how to justify Pinkie here. Perhaps this episode needed her to get some blame instead.
i haven’t heard people bring this up, so I think I’m gonna go ahead and put it out there.
My biggest problem with the episode is that the writers had the wrong moral in mind. They make it out to be that the conflict is that pinkie plays badly, but the real issue is that she’s playing it at inconvenient times and disrupting everyone’s lives. It ultimate doesn’t matter if she was playing good or not if she’s constantly disrupting her friend’s daily routines with it. and because none of the mane six bring it up, pinkie essentially doesn’t learn anything and is likely going to continue disrupting everyone’s lives, but according to the episode, that’s okay because she enjoys doing it, and you should always do what you enjoy in spite of how it could affect others or even yourself. Knowing that this whole episode could’ve been avoided if they just asked pinkie to play it at times where it wouldn’t disrupt them pisses me off to no end.
-11/cucumber. I quit
Like laughably bad? Silly? I don’t think it was “haha” funny, but that’s just me.
A large part of the episode.
That’s fair. I would probably be more fond of the lashing/OOC acts if they made a bit more sense (I loved Party of One) they should’ve just put more thought into an actual problem that would cause Pinkie to go Pinkamena and actually have a resolution and it could’ve worked.
i’m especially fond of the scenes where she lashes out in her depression. while the writers aren’t always the best with her character, I’ve never hated it when they flip her personality on its head
Yovidapie
What parts were funny? Pinkie’s borderline sexual attraction to the yovidaphone? Didn’t find any part of that episode worth a chuckle, but that’s just me.