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You claim the season sucked yet you said you didn’t even bother watching it. That doesn’t make sense.
We’ll see how long that opinion remains…
Nothing is worse than completely generic.
I’d rather watch a trainwreck than be bored to death.
Also, the villain episodes were absolutely amazing, unless you do not like episodes like that you can’t possibly say they weren’t good.
generic season > fucked up season
great moments?… I dont rememeber anything… well except for the end….
If the whole season sucked, your standards suddenly raised.
Cause there were some great moments in comparison to Season 8.
Season 8 felt very generic throughout half of it, and had repeats of previous lessons except with a new coat of paint (The Student 6)
the whole season sucked, that’s why I was not even even watch it until now
ENDING SUCKED! AUTO-BAD! REEEEEE!
Is pretty much what I get from you.
and do not post spoilers about it either.
Nah, season 9 is in the top 5. The worst is probably season 6 or 1.
nope, season 9 is the worst now
One of the ideas behind yaks is that they think they’re the best at everything. Yona also talks a lot about how yaks are the best at everything in the premier. So her looking up to Rockhoof would represent growth. There’s also her confronting her fear of spiders and befriending them instead of just smashing them.
I might as well bring up the rest of the character growth. Gallus starts out as a jerk who doesn’t care about school, and by the end of the season he’s become more considerate and supportive, and takes his studies more seriously. Smolder embraces her feminine side, and becomes an older sister for Spike. Ocellus and Silverstream both confront fears from their past.
I’ll admit that they’re not as developed as they could be. I personally feel like they struck a good balance. They all undergo some kind of change, without taking over the show.
True, although a new character not being able to carry an episode alone shouldn’t be a dealbreaker, especially if you’re concerned about the Mane Six being pushed aside.
The Hearth’s Warming Club reveals a lot about the cultures. Nothing particularly deep, but it does lend a sense of legitimacy to the cultures. Changelings are all about imitating and forging their own identity, which is reflected in their take on Hearth’s Warming. The Three Days of Freedom reflects the impact The Storm King had on hippogriff culture, as well as their connection to the ocean. The Yak holiday shows that they aren’t mindlessly destructive, and have things that are sacred to them. Griffons being jerks is reflected in even their holidays being miserable. Dragons are competitive, Machiavellian and materialistic. This is reflected in their tradition being a contest with a prize of treasure, and the story that won the contest being about betrayal. Speaking of dragons, Father Knows Beast shows us that no matter how antisocial dragons are, taking advantage of your own family is a line they don’t cross.
Granted, but we do get to see a different side of Twilight.
That’s the polar opposite of what happened. Rainbow put Scootaloo ahead of her own ego by supporting her decision to join The Washouts. She intervenes when it becomes clear that The Washouts aren’t concerned with her safety.
You’ll have to take my word for it, then.
This is true. However, opening a school would be consistent with her character.
I’m getting mixed messages here. The purpose of a library is to store and organize information so that it can be easily accessed for research and study. The purpose of a school is to create a learning environment. My interpretation of the school is that it exists to set up friendship lesson opportunities while teaching practical skills. It’s a bit of a contrived concept, but this is a setting where the fate of the world has literally depended on characters being able to pass tests of friendship. Passing arbitrary friendship tests is clearly a skill that’s in demand.
I’m pretty sure the yaks arrogance was never linked to racism and Yona herself was never portrayed as such so no real growth there.
Except the Mane 6 have done so on multiple occasions.
I’ll give that particular episode. The aftermath of the movie gave an interesting perspective since they are now kinda 2-in-1 deal. But nothing cultural was expanded upon through the students, with Spikes molt being the exception.
Besides Brain pony, Twilight took to her responsibilities as a teacher with no issues whatsoever. Rainbow failed Scootaloo miserably by, intead of letting her branch out and achieve her own dreams and desires in a safer manner, perpetuating her idol worship and a false hope. And if you’re talking about the episode where Rarity and Dash’s friendship “ended”, I can barely remember it.
Firstly, Rarity was the one who thought of the school. It was never something Twilight longed to do. Twilight was looking at the map and talking about all the new places and people now open to them and then Rarity immediatley is like “Make a school!”. It was a big jump in logic that really needed a few more connecting pieces. Secondly, Twilight’s entire character arc started with her being told literally that Friendship wasn’t something that could be studied or taught but something that had to be experienced first hand. Twilight’s character arc and the school setting conflict themetically. If you want a more accurately thematic setting than what Twilight should have done is create a Library of Friendship. She had the right idea when publishing the Friendship Journal. She would have all the information people would need, but it would be up to them to learn and utilize it on their own. Friendship was always, until now, something that could be guided but never directly taught. There is nothing wrong with Twilight having pupils, but a full on traditionally functioning school makes no logical sense given the lessons Twilight had to learn from the start. Also, thinking about it long term, the school feels more like a church teaching a religion rather than a school teaching a skill. All it would do is create a never ending increasing number of “Friendship teachers” that the world really only needs so many of.
@hollowblade
There’s a lot to unpack here. I’d argue that the core ideas of the show are “friendship”, “personal growth”, and “self-actualization”. Friendship should be self-explanatory. Personal growth is reflected in each episode ending with a moral. When you think about it, a cutie mark is just a symbol of self-actualization. Every pony’s story has to do with discovering what they’re good at, or interacting with others. That’s a good basis for a show.
The problem is, it’s a premise that puts its characters on a timer. There are only so many lessons a character can learn before it stops feeling like they’re growing as characters. You can only put off your characters achieving their goals for so long before it just feels like the show is spinning its wheels. And once a character attains their goals, then there’s no story. That’s the problem with Equestria by this point; there’s no ongoing story, and the ideas have been run into the ground. Each of The Mane Six have achieved their goals. If they’re the ones predominantly learning lessons at this point in the show, it can only serve to undermine their growth as characters.
With that out of the way…
Well no. Each of the other species is characterized in a certain way, and the personalities of The Student Six are determined by how they follow or don’t follow that characterization. A good example is Yona. Yaks are characterized as arrogant creatures who solve their problems by smashing. So Yona being able to look up to a non-yak represents major growth for her as a character.
Given that it’s a show about friendship, you don’t really want a single character holding up an entire episode in the first place.
What about “Surf and/or Turf”? We learn plenty about the other cultures through The Student Six.
I’m not sure what show you’ve been watching. We’re still getting to see new sides of The Mane Six, even past the point where their characters should be winding down. We got to see how Rainbow and Twilight tackle positions with tangible responsibility. We got to see Rainbow and Rarity use some new skills.
Leadership and knowledge are important aspects of Twilight’s character, so it makes sense that she would open a school. Every episode ends with a lesson, so thematically, a school makes sense as a setting. While making the rest of The Mane Six teachers doesn’t make a lot of sense from a character perspective, it does make sense from the perspective of there being a Mane Six in the first place. The Mane Six have all achieved their goals, and should have realistically gone their separate ways by now. By making them teachers, it gives them a functional reason to stay together, it presents them with new challenges, and it symbolically cements their maturity, as they transition from being learners to being teachers.
What exactly is this core message that’s being spit on?
I know, and I’m sorry. I pretty much used your comment as a springboard for my own issues with the season. But both figuratively and literally I didn’t see this season breaking new ground or going new places or what have you. I just saw retread ground with a fresh coat of paint in most places and some regression due to the setting.
By “new places” I didn’t literally mean new locations in the world. The kirin episode was predictable and pretty boring overall, saved only by the train station attendant and Autumn Blaze’s overall adorableness.
I would like to feel like this season went new places, if it would actually go to new places. This is why the Kirin episode is by far the best in this season. This one episode has the example on what this season should have been. Going to new locations and learning about different creatures and their cultures. Maybe this exposure would allow for the Mane 6’s characters to expand and grow?
But nope. Gotta once again sweep the main characters under the rug in order to focus on another new set of barely developed characters that are placed in the most boring and cliche setting for a cartoon. Let’s face it, the school was contrived af and pretty much spits in the face on one of the core messages of the show.
No one is triggered by diversity. People are triggered by tokenism, which for some reason has become synonymous with diversity. I miss the days when tokenism was taken as the insult it is instead of it being demanded by activists. There is no value in having a paticular kind of person in a story just for the sake of having them. It’s a hollow sentiment.
But that is not the students problem. Their problem is that each of their personalities are determined by what they mean for the group instead of being their own individual characters. None of them are able to hold an entire episode on their own. We got one episode in the entire season that actually tried to give their characters some dimension, but it was nowhere near enough to get me to care by the time the finale came along.
Funny thing, I don’t dislike season 2 per se but I am real glad someone is knocking it off it’s pedestal. Your linked essay has some good points there was a lot of times it felt ‘lost’ and running on binned ideas. S4 is essentially the S2 everyone wanted.
Oh, S8: not as good as S7, should have been better than it was, but it’s alright and a lot of complaining about it is ridiculous. The Student 6 were great love those guys even if the alt-cucks are triggered by diversity. The second half of this season was definitely stronger than the first half. There was really no way for S8 to win it seemed like the toxic part of the community that had been ebbing since 2012 surged back.
Are you seriously comparing season 8 to mlp at its worst I honestly think that’s unfair the season had more positives than negatives
(I disliked one episode in 8 and that was non-complete cause the student six helped saved it for me)
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Season 8 is far better then newborn cuties.
I don’t know if this is trolling, but it’s definitely possible to troll with a positive opinion. Like posting an image of Newborn Cuties and claiming it’s the best incarnation of MLP.
Thanos: Perfectly balanced, as it should be.
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