Scorpan look so cute here

@SteelBlade17  
Why ressurrect a 2 month old comment section then?

Sees people arguing about what’s canon and what isn’t
 
Me: Oh my god! Who! The fuck! CARES?!?! Just enjoy the fucking comic, wait for the next page AND SHUT UP!!!

I divide things into “A canon” and “B Canon”
 
A canon is basically all show episodes, movies, EQG shorts, and the like. They are made by Hasbro or a studio employed by Hasbro (Studio B, Allspark, etc). They are all canon.
 
B Canon are things like the books and comics. As they are licensed by Hasbro, but worked on by a third party, they are canon unless A Canon contradicts them

@Background Pony #8657  
Or you know, you could just tolerate people who don’t accept comics as cannon just like those that accept them. It’s always been up to the individual.

It’s a very big and growing problem that there are fans who will deny and be intolerant without caring that everything that made MLP possible is not fandom - but acceptance and tolerance. In this case, we have someone who has no problem accepting anyone as canon in accordance with current rules that any license-produced material is canon as long as the show does not contradict these. On the other hand, we have one who wants nothing more than a narrow-mindedness about what is canon and what is not, and thus denies it as “does not fit in”, insulting those who gave a lot for the comics and much more in addition to the comic. An important reason behind Hasbro’s choice to quit G4, and the fact that the writers behind the show often go against the fans’ wishes, was that the fandom sometimes goes too far. It gets too extremist in the end.
 
The Simpsons has a good example in the episode “Itchy & Scratchy & Marge” where Marge addressed the problem of violence in children’s entertainment and organized a movement that succeeds in stopping the cartoons, but lost control then narrow-minded and ambitious members who want to get rid of everything that “does not fit”. Marge immediately ended everything because she thought censorship and narrow-mindedness were expressions of intolerance, something she would never accept. This was done very reluctantly, but she did the only thing right. When this episode aired in 1990, there was little controversy between fans about what is canon and what is not, as extensive tolerance was the rule.
 
This has become less and less visible in recent years, as it becomes more and more obvious that the older tolerance has been replaced by black and white considerations. There are fans who deny everything after S3, so on and so forth, extreme fans have always been a problem - but they were always a small minority. When there were death threats and defamatory criticism in connection with the end of S9, it was obvious that Hasbro may have done the right thing by pulling out the plug.

I don’t see how most of what you said comes into this. Fandoms will always have certain peaple in them, no matter the nationality.
 
And no, there are cannon and non-cannon stuff. Please stop trying to force the canonicity of comics when that is again, simply a matter of opinion and up to the individual fan. Maybe your the narrow-minded one with such a viewpoint?
 

 
If their not meant to be taken seriously and are simple guidlines, then individual fans have the right to call them cannon or non-cannon. That does not equate to what they think of the quality of the comic itself.
 
And since you brought up all this wierd stuff about Europeans, I’ll have you know that I’m a Hungarian who lives in Hungary, which is a European country. Frankly, I barely have any idea what your going on about. The canonicity of the comics is up to the individual. Stop trying to force it onto others. As far as the show is concerned, this entire story can make sense.

@Background Pony #555C  

 
It’s very strange that there are many orthodox fans who want to cut everything out until only televised episodes, ie the show, remain - and practice an unusual narrow-mindedness that is simply not healthy for fandom behavior. In other countries - and with other entertainment topics - there is a long way between these who had become too narrow-minded and too erratic so that they would exclude everything “that does not fit” in their view of what is “permissible”. There were death threats when S9 ended. Death threats! A true fan is open, inclusive and receptive of anyone who is worth their own interest related to the subject itself. Is it that different in the United States? Such are unthinkable in Scandinavia.
 
Anyone licensed is canon, as long as these are not contradicted by the show, and as with everything else, everyone is canon as long as these are made for the audience with the permission of the copyright holder. But in recent years, as with Star Wars, there has been a growing fanatical attitude not only within MLP, but also elsewhere - that one should have a “true” canon, and that what is doubted should be “shut out” because they do not “fit in”. Coming from Scandinavia, it is very interesting that this trend is strongest in the United States. We simply do not take the canon seriously in non-US countries, that it is about unity and friendly contact.
 
I grow up with European comics all my life, none of these are “100% canon”, none of these are serious, simple guidelines are only taken seriously. It is not “the opinion”, those who work on licensed materials deserve respect and gratitude for their efforts, and so definitely do not deserve to be discriminated against because “they do not fit”! It is on their merits these should be considered for having justified criticism and rating by the fans.
 
For us Europeans; “do not fit in” brings out unpleasant memories. It is time for those who want to banish the work of others to realize that such attitudes are very harmful.

@Background Pony #8657  
I don’t see how Scorpan being a gargoyle comes into this. If Tirek gets larger if he drains magic, there’s no evidence to support that the same wouldn’t be true for Scorpan. And just because something is thought doesn’t mean its true. We never got a comformation of their ages in the show and frankly, Tirek could be say, 18 here which would barely make him an adult. The fact that he was an old centaur could be a direct effect of his 1000 year stay in Tartarus.
 
The canonicity of the comics is purely up to opinion. That is how it always worked.

@Background Pony #555C  

 
No-no for Scorpan. He’s a gargoyle. Also, it was thought that Tirek and Scorpan were adults when they attacked Equestria, not as young as here. Tirek was definitely an adult when he appeared for the first time, in all the time he was active in the show he was an old centaur. Also, the comic crew in the IDW are G4 fans, and their work is canon as long as it is not contradicted by the information in the show.

@Background Pony #8657  
IDW comic’s canonicity is questionable and we don’t even know that the artist has even read them. How do you know how young they are? Were their exact ages mentioned somewhere? The show was pretty vague with them. Not to mention the fact that we didn’t know how old they were when they attacked Equestria. Sure, they looked rather large in the flashbacks, but thats something that happens when Tirek drains large quantities of it and one can assume that the same would go for Scorpan.

@Background Pony #555C  

 
IDW Comics. Too, they were too young - is the travel time to Equestria at least four years?

@Background Pony #8657  
I don’t see how this takes away from the story’s canonicity. They never showed this part of Tirek’s life in the show and so far, nothing contradictal to the show has been shown in it.

So the comic is now completely out of the canon county and has become 100% fanon. The prehistory of how Tirek and Vorak related to each other in the first two parts of the story in my opinion was the best part in that this was as close as possible to the canon. But then the artist chose to go his own way, and thus “Comic: Fix” is not long in the race. At least we know that Vorak had treated his son badly by being demanding and condescending, without realizing that Tirek, his son, has a father complex - so that he pushed away a son who will please his father.
 
Yes, Applejack - it was rough.

@Setsugekka  
Vorak is pretty self-centered in this comic.

@Background Pony #555C  
Worse is, I’m sure that Vorak thinks he did the right thing with Tirek

So Tirek’s dad drove him insane to the point where he was willing to attack another nation.