@Rainboom Dash
sended to you a private message with .fla attachment. not sure that files like this are allowed to post publicly

@Sasha-Flyer
yeah, that would be good.. so I can work with the original vector file instead of an APNG.. just to subtract any shenanigans that may be happening

@Rainboom Dash
if you want i can upload the original .fla file with pure vector graphic. But I’m still sure that webm can come close, but not bypass apng in quality and size at once.

@Sasha-Flyer
it’s actually worse.. if 4:4:4 subsampling it’s 2.8mb
So yeah, in this case it wins
But again, you don’t need lossless… high-quality lossy video is perceptually lossless unless you zoom way in (but at that point, you’re no longer just watching it)
Of course the one I just posted isn’t but I had to squeeze it down to 25mb
“almost as smooth”? to me, the video I just posted looks smoother… but the resolution is also a lot higher which may be helping

@Rainboom Dash
it almost smooth as my apng, but still not enough, and, for now, ur “lossless” webm size is 1,929,487 bytes againts my 1,824,818 bytes. so currently apng wins at everythink.

Maybe it has something to do with apng>webm conversion because I don’t see any aliasing here
>>2228000
gosh that banding is awful, though… never did solve that issue with RGB>YUV conversion…

@Sasha-Flyer
I made a mistake, it appears it’s lossy not lossless… so my bad
actual lossless it’s pretty much the same
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690093078224437268/1020031266491465788/actuallossless.webm
although, I’m still not sure if 18.75 fps is correct…
huh, you’re right… I wonder why it’s causing that aliasing…
oh, it appears it’s subsampling.. gimmie a sec
nope, still not as smooth.. oh well, I give up

@Rainboom Dash
your WEBM version also destroys the smoothness. just look closer at the borders:

@Rainboom Dash
Unlimited colors is only one of several reasons. The more important argument against GIF is that GIF completely destroy smooth lines. just look closely at GIF version (https://i.imgur.com/Wm6bQsU.gif):

@Sasha-Flyer
I think it exported at slightly wrong frame rate… doesn’t look quite as smooth… but lossless video came out to about 400kb
So, yeah, webm still wins in that department… https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690093078224437268/1020024216067776562/29463129.webm

oh, wait, I forgot it does 4:2:0 subsampling.. not lossless, then… but even if frame rate is slightly less than it’s supposed to and the subsampling is 4:2:0… it still wins…
I’m guessing Handbrake detected the frame wrong cause it says 18.75 fps but looks choppier than the one on here

@Sasha-Flyer
maybe if lossless… but the benefit of webm is that you can use lossy compression and really cut down the file size with no to minimal impact to quality…
And a lot of people… do not do it correctly… or use it for more complex stuff.. and the file sizes just bloat out of proportion
Honestly, why do so many people still use outdated gif… apng is a little better because at least you’re not limited to 256-color… but the file sizes apng creates is still quite bad sometimes
well, no, even lossless webm should be better because it can use interframe compression… pretty sure apng is still intraframe?

@Rainboom Dash
I export my animations directly from vector graphic software, they have zero amount for noises. With 7zip compression method with at least 15 iteratoions, apng size with noiseless animation are even less than gif or webm

@Derwol
U can easely convert it to gif or webm or webp to use it in another app. For web pages apng is the best for animations like this. apng works in more than 95% web browsers https://caniuse.com/apng
in non-web apps, apng poorly supported coz developers are lazy

@Sasha-Flyer
it really isn’t, the file size is massive.. ESPECIALLY if there’s noise

Wandering eye syndrome.

@Sasha-Flyer
Nice for an image booru where you can go by tags, but it suffers on local drives where there’s no extension distinction between a regular png and an animated one, plus most image viewing software will not play the animation. Unfortunate.

but man I sure do love this derp

I’m still blown away by this.

Can’t underp the derp.

@Background Pony #CC81
It is animated png. https://wiki.mozilla.org/APNG_Specification
This is the best format for audioless pony animations.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT’S A PNG
IT’S MOVING