Spike:pull yourself together rarity

@LuminoZero
 
I’m posting to Lisboa. Last time I checked, that’s a user on this site with a username. Lisboa isn’t “no one”.

@SpikeSpiegel
 
This just in, nobody cares. At this point I have to question if you just like writing these posts to feel important. Take your views and be happy with them, most of us don’t care about them.
 
-Lumino

@Lisboa
 
It can work either way. I just won’t encourage HIM too much about pursuing it but Trenderhoof’s arrival probably set her place in the potential outcome of this would-be relationship. Right it’s too one-sided for it to work and justify beyond “I support the pairing” - fair power to those people.
 
She can accept him or reject him - either outcome is fine by me. However, I do emphasize to the shippers that it has to come both ways and anyone who cares at all about the strength of the connection when and if it DOES

@SpikeSpiegel  
Ah. Understood. Kind of.
 
Sooooo…
 
How would YOU make it work, then?
 
a - Either she accepts and everyone is good and dandy or  
b - He gets rejected and moves on
 
You got me intrigued.

@Lisboa
 
It’s not in reference to Sparity as a pairing - my argument is to oppose the POV that Pia-chan had taken in regards to romance and their remarks that I don’t know the first thing of it. I truly have no regard for what passes as romance nowadays but anything that only involves ONE side working towards it and passing it off as romantic sets a pretty bad idea of how relationship dynamics work.

@SpikeSpiegel  
Thank you for keeping this civilized.
 
I agree with you completely. One-sided romance, unrequited for a long time can’t be healthy in real life and…just doesn’t work on a literary basis. I got fed up with soap opera-like romance…at least here it’s the same overused plot EVERY DAMN TIME. Poor hot girl likes hot rich dude, bad stuff happens, ta. Happily ever after.
 
Still I fail to see how does that applies to Sparity. I agree that some fan works are cringe-worthy, but I’m am speaking canon-wise. Platonic at most, tender moments on the show…One sided, yes, but not on Simple Says’ Rarity levels. Unlikely to be defined for good on the show, but with the door still open, anyway…

@Lisboa
 
I don’t mean to mislead. If I’m ever “trolling”, which I have no idea how to do properly. I’ve actually went through a lot of novels that explore human connection - by far the best one is Asimov’s Foundation Series as well as reading up on the cultural norms of relationship expectations - I’m mostly traditionalist, but that doesn’t change that only one side’s expected to work for the endgame.
 
Most romance media examples are weird at this part because the courtship almost always becomes so forced - there’s always a strange initiation of the relationship, which, if the recipient was a person of ANY sense would rebuff and call the police on them. You don’t even have to pick up a book - turn to a telenovela and see the early romance it just becomes so STRANGE. You can actually see that one party remains static and the other’s the one doing all the pushing and prodding.
 
It’s what I discourage. It’s a terrible idea to continue with because it’s just such a selfish specification for romance - shouldn’t it be about love? And thus something both parties are working towards?
 
The best romances written always work out at two people finding themselves in a connection and building it from there - together. Not one of them finding out they’re “in love” and relentlessly pursuing the other party who almost never notices the affections. This only turns them into a prize, a reward - and thus demeaning the whole romantic ideal. It’s moronic and demeaning - it should be a MUTUAL destination, not just stylizing it to the thread of the initiate.
 
My whole qualm of this is that it’s turning one side of the party into a trophy rather than an equal - and that’s disgusting.

@SpikeSpiegel  
Ah. Well, of course. A person of your level might have developed that skill. Remarkable, really. (No sarcasm)
 
But “opening in challange expecting a response in accordance to context” sounds like…“classy” trolling.

@lumpfish
 
Pardon? No - what in the world would bring you to the assumption that I’m from the eleventh grade, sir?

@SpikeSpiegel  
Oh so you just got out of 11th grade English. Got ya.
 
Carry on kid.

@Lisboa
 
When you’ve gone over To Kill A Mockingbird (Quite possibly the greatest novel of all time), A Handmaid’s Tale, the Foundation Series and gone over Marxist analyses time and time again, you’ll see intent and context as well as stance just as well. I’ve been doing it for five years - every statement in a debate is an expression and an idea.
 
I opened in challenge and Pia-chan responded in accordance to context - making me correct in the assumption of their stance and the way of their words.

@pia-chan  
Well put. Also, I’m the one who threw out that quote, in that thread. I’m a diehard Sparity fan and a huge fan of your works. Keep rocking.

@SpikeSpiegel  
Right, all good. I agree completely if it’s applied on real life. Your education regarding that matter is commendable, sure it is and I am truly glad for you.
 
Yet…you “expanded and poke” a single line using only…an assumption?
 
Don’t you think is a biiiiit pretentious?

@SpikeSpiegel  
I think Rarity is very inmature in love matters. She’s so desesperated to get a guy that she doesn’t see what she has at her side. Spike not growing physically doesn’t help either. I think she may have deep feelings for him, but they’re just not ready for stablish a proper relationship, for the factors I already mentioned. As somepony said, and I’m kind of quoting him, “Rarity needs to grow mentally and Spike physically” yet, until then, we can only have friendship, a very weird one for now. But I think have a lot of things in both their personalities that would make their relationship work, they both love gems, for example, she’s a greedy generous one, while he’s a very generous greedy dragon, and they both help eachother to get better. Also, as Spike is taking his crush for her, is not unhealthy for him either. He just can’t help but like her, but he knows nothing can happen, although, it’s up to Rarity to give him a chance when they both are able to be with one another, and I think that’s for the future. And then, they’ll be very happy together, tadadah. That’s how I see it.

@pia-chan
 
I never mentioned Rarity is a “bitch”, as you so eloquently put it. I do, however, point out that relationships have to come from BOTH sides to make it work - your encouragement of the idea that such a one-sided, selfish direction of “love” is strange and if applicable to your thoughts on “romance” - regardless of the medium presented, are very, very strange.
 
I wish Spike luck, but in no way would it be healthy for him to continue - it has to come from her as well. This goes for any other romance, fictional or not - both sides have to work together or GROW together towards that feeling of mutual, passionate love.
 
@Lisboa
 
It’s more an analysis of context and statement. Pia-chan’s statement is very oblique in her intention and her stance, which allowed me to expand and poke, at the same time challenging it. I’ve spent five years studying literature - I adore classical romance where there’s a mutual spark igniting it, but these one-sided courtships are extremely unhealthy and anyone who continuously encourages them regardless to the party’s well-being on the justification that “it’s love” needs a healthy dose of social, behavioural and cultural analysis.
 
If I had a friend like Spike I’d encourage him to go after her at first, but after a set amount of time I’d tell him to pull back on the heaps and just bail. It’d be better for him that way - finding someone who’s actually paying a bit more attention to him. I’m not attacing Pia-chan’s person, per se but their stance and pointing out just how selfish and inpersonal that kind of romance really is.

@SpikeSpiegel  
darling, i’m so sorry you wasted so much time in such a large paragraph i won’t bother in reading, because real life doesn’t apply in this case and I honestly don’t have the time. This is a fictional cartoon, have you ever noticed that? if you don’t like sparity then it’s ok, you’re not gonna convince me with arguments about something that depends on eachone’s taste, nopony here has 100% of truth in their hooves, so we could be discussing eternally and never find agreement at all, see? it’d be a waste of time. So if you tink Rarity is a bitch and Spike should move one or whatever, is your opinion, and I respect that. I’m not wasting my time discussing because it’d be completelly useless.

@SpikeSpiegel  
I agree with all you said, applied to real life situations. What bugs me, however…
 
Mate, can you REALLY figure out a person’s stance on romance on only ONE LINE SENTENCE?

@pia-chan
 
I don’t care much for romance, but I do care for the fact that in any connection, there are TWO people - each with their independent needs and wants. Forcing yourself to conform to your “beloved” (I use the term crisply) is kind of the first sign that it’s not a healthy relationship to start with. You change yourself to improve for yourself and for the people around you: not projecting your desire into a manifest destiny and working towards it regardless of the other person’s feelings.
 
There has been no instance in relationship dynamics in real life when obsession and fixation on one end makes a resultant connection from either one of the parties mentally healthy. Any successful relationship, platonic or romantic or co-dependent has almost always relied on the fact that it has, and always will have to be: coming from both ways.
 
In the show, Spike’s affection for Rarity’s always coming from the romantic end from his side while Rarity’s return has almost always inclined from a platonic, if patronizing and humored POV. What you’re suggesting in your whole sentence, your whole statement, in fact is that it’s totally healthy and acceptable for Spike to continue obsessing - he’s compromised a few times, but I don’t think we’ve seen an instance where Rarity compromises for him instead.
 
MAD Annual has a great description of a balanced relationship dynamic: “You have a fat girl in love with a thin guy and the thin guy’s in love with the fat girl. The girl loses weight, the guy puts the pound on and what do you know it.”
 
It works both ways. You cannot justify Spike working his way towards a girl that’s been waving off his come-ons time and time again as “there’s always next time”. If the girl’s not returning it after all of that, move on. On our planet there’s billions of women and men trying to find the right one.
 
You’ve found the right one when they’re willing to work towards you and you are towards them. Love isn’t one side doing all the work and the other “waiting”. It’s just a kid’s show, you say, but I’m referring to your statement now - that goes beyond the show - it reflects your ideas and your stance. If you really believe that love is one side doing all the wooing and the other one just standing and praising it at the end, you really should do a bit more research into the human condition.

@Dragonmage
 
I’m not sure it’s something to be that upset about, it’s been over three years now and he hasn’t really said anything, and if she has actually been waiting in hopes that he would grow out of his crush on her, I can imagine getting tired enough of hiding one’s romantic musings for that long to protect somebody from romantic disappointment.
 
Or even if it wasn’t the case that she had been doing that and reached the point where she decided “I can’t put my love life on hold forever for the sake of somebody’s schoolboy crush”, she was upset and when you’re that upset you don’t always pay attention to the situation of the person you’re talking to; you just want to tell somebody about your feelings and it doesn’t matter who that is, so you can end up going into a subject that’s a bit touchy for them

@SpikeSpiegel  
Darling, possibilities are infinite in real life and fiction, as far as it works. And so you’re a love expert? Well a good thing you’re not a romantic stories writer, dear.

“Trenderhoof doesn’t like you? That’s rediculous!”
 
Is what he’s just finished telling her.

@pia-chan
 
How very naive - not just about the pairing, but about relationships in general. If the girl’s not even bothering with you after almost two years, blatantly not noticing or is just too daft to notice your confessions of love and throwing her affections upon someone else, it’s perfectly normal and healthy to just shrug your shoulders and go “Eh, I tried, let’s see if there’re other chicks”.
 
Committing oneself to just ONE girl after all that and still throwing yourself at her (or for the ladies, that one pretty boy) in the hopes of getting your “just reward” is just unhealthy and immature. Just give it an objective clock:
 

Seems she can’t take the same fire she dishes out to poor Spike. Disgusting.

@Lisboa
 
Well, you should never keep a Unicorn waiting for her sandwich; they get a little moody if their blood sugar gets too low