this is why you need guards twilight to watch for stop all pony who try fond out your privet live!

@Background Pony #6ACE  
There are a whole lot of depressed people hanging around online. Neither of us are particularly unusual in that regard. The difference is I prefer not to play victim to it. I may be an emotional cripple, but I don’t think I have to live like a hopeless person because of that fact.
 
I’m not trying to trivialize anything. Severe depression is a very serious thing. But that has nothing to do with the argument of what it is and how to respond to it.

@Background Pony #CE86  
Being depressed is normal, having depression is not.
 
There is an extremely short list of things that I can still find mild enjoyment in and it’s getting shorter all the time. I can’t force myself to be happy, I can’t think my way out of a shitty mood, and I can’t just get over it. Depression doesn’t work that way and it seemed like you’re trivializing it and it sort of pissed me off.
 
I won’t be replying in this thread anymore; I just wanted to get that off my chest.

@Background Pony #6ACE  
That’s presumptuous of you to say. I’ve experienced my share of the stuff firsthand, and I know it’s no picnic. However, I’ve never seen any compelling reason to throw up one’s hands and say “I can’t help it.” Mix depression with a defeatist attitude and then you get despair, which is an even better ball of wax. But it is avoidable. Feeling down is normal enough, but the fact that there are so many depressed people in America demonstrates that it’s not a matter of physical maladies at the heart of the matter. It’s the frame of mind that’s the problem, usually. Not always.

@Background Pony #CE86  
Or more likely you just don’t understand what real depression is.

@Background Pony #6ACE  
Maybe you simply been trying all the wrong things.

@Background Pony #CE86  
I’ve been trying to ‘get over it’ for the past 34 years. Guess I’m just not trying hard enough.

@Scrounge  
You say that like depression is some kind of disease. It’s a state of mind for the vast majority of people, and we definitely have some control over that. The percentage of individuals who can point to direct physical causes for their blues is extremely low.

Wait, why are we talking about immortality on this pic anyways? The problem here seems to be a lack of privacy and/or personal space.

@Background Pony #CE86  
People can’t rewire their brains through sheer force of will. Someone can’t make themselves produce the right brain chemicals any more than they can grow a body part they were born missing.
 
But the point is, immortality would probably suck most for the kind of person who, for whatever reason, wouldn’t enjoy a mortal life either, whatever the problem might be.
 
As another suggestion, the combination of immortality and some horrible normally-fatal illness would be undeniably horrible. Can we at least agree on that?
 
 
@SFaccountant  
I think what the people who presume that whatching your friends and loved ones die will make immortality unbearable forget is that you’ll probably be picking up new friends and loved ones along the way, and you might not be with the same people, but you won’t be alone, either. Unless you care less about the new friends and loved ones than the dead ones, but that really seems unlikely.

@Scrounge  
That sort of person could use a heaping helping of “get over it”.

@SFaccountant  
I can think of other problems that might crop up. A combination if immortality and the nastier sort of clinical depression, for example, would suck. Just wanting it all to end and knowing it never will. An eternity without joy or hope, weighed down past the end of time by an all-consuming obsession with your own worthlessness. Not good.

@Millennial Dan  
I agree completely with Millennial. I’ve never understood the point of view that seeing your loved ones die is so traumatic that it’s better to die somewhere around the same time as them, which for some reason is presumed to make it less tortuous. I’ve had family members die, and the loss, though great, was not so crushing so as to permanently damage me emotionally.  
The only thing about immortality that I think would really suck is if the world literally ended with you on it. When the sun burns out and the entire globe becomes a ball of dead ice, I might wish for the peace of the grave then.

@Background Pony #63D8  
Ah, now we’re getting somewhere. The world would be fairly uninteresting to you without people in it who possessed your affection. But what exactly is it about those relationships that is so entangling that you hinge your very existence upon them? It’s worth considering. There must be something “good” about those relationships which imparts that goodness to life itself.
 
So as long as there is something “good” about life, there’s no reason to discontinue it. I don’t see why the goodness that is experienced in life should be doomed to wane and flicker out. I contend that there will always be something good about life, so the idea of “living forever” doesn’t bother me in the least.

@Millennial Dan  
on a side note it sounds shallow but i call it being human.

@Millennial Dan  
A human being is defined by emotions, i am not a hindu Monk that seeks nirvana by cutting all ties with everything.
 
I like the world for the People in it, friends and Family, i accept death as part of it, i can suffer through watching loved ones die until i join them, but i could not bear to watch everyone die, everything go and only myself remaining.

@Background Pony #63D8  
In order for you to understand what I think about immortality, I think it’s important to establish what you see as being good about life to begin with.
 
It sounds like you define the value of your existence by some particular external factors, and that you believe those externals to be mutable and destined to “whither and die”. Ergo, you don’t want to carry on if those temporary amusements cease to be, is that about right?

@Millennial Dan  
i´m not asking for the opposite of what i say, you know?
 
i want to know what you were getting at, what makes immortality so much as bearable, aside from being a sociopath that enjoys watching everything he ever knew wither and die around him.

@Background Pony #63D8  
Kind of touchy there, bud.
 
I can’t present an opposing viewpoint if I don’t feel like I fully understand where you’re coming from yet.

@Millennial Dan  
how about you quit critizising opinions of others without bringing up a counterargument?

@Background Pony #63D8  
I can’t find any mythological info on this “Kain” you speak of. If you’re talking about Cain from the Bible, this business about making him immortal as a punishment is a pretty darn silly idea.
 
As for the finitude of life, how do you figure that’s the one thing that makes it worth living? That doesn’t even make sense.

@Millennial Dan  
no, the mythological kain, the one every cheap game knockoff is at least loosely based on.
 
and to answer, it is valuable because it is finite.

@Background Pony #63D8  
What, you mean some Final Fantasy character? So what?
 
As for the question of immortality, I’ll ask you this: what makes life worth living in the first place?

@Background Pony #63D8  
Inb4 Ebalous with that Movie he keeps bringing up.

@Millennial Dan  
enlighten me what´s so great about it, heck if you look up legend Kain got it as a punishment.