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Sorry. Although the answer is probably no
Damn you, man, now you reminded me of this and now I have to ask myself if I should continue the discussion.
Support the pro-fOdrealist revolution! Down with centralized autonomy! Vote to instill the democratic dictatorships for our children futures! Hang the SjW banners from the top of the phallic structures of Washington Seattle!
Not an accurate comparison. The reasons that we bar children from making important decisions are very, very different from barring women from merely applying for a physically demanding position. There are very few ways of accurately gauging the maturity and decision making power of a child– Timmy is extremely unlikely to be acquainted with the challenges of having a job, owning property, or paying taxes, which are relevant considerations when allowing someone control over their destiny. Timmy is both mentally and physiologically unequipped to make descisions as an adult. In addition, even if he were, the laws regarding voting, owning property, and marrying are not practical to do on a case-specific basis (with a few exceptions– there is such thing as an emancipated minor, capable of marrying, owning property, and so on while being underage). We assume that children derive sustenance and guidance from their parents or legal guardians.
In addition, hiring an adult for a job, by contrast, is almost always a case specific process. It makes very little sense to bar an employee from a position that they are physically and mentally able to perform on the basis of sex alone. If you’re going to refuse a woman a job, it should be because she was not a physically or mentally suitable applicant, not specifically because she is a woman. And barring her from even applying in the first place on that basis makes even less sense– how are we supposed to get any data on the suitability of women to perform a job if they’re never even allowed to try in the first place?
While true, we bar all children from voting despite some showing far greater common sense than most adults, and we do so because defining ourself due to corner cases is sort of illogical. Does that mean little timmy won’t be able to stop actual, honest to god Nazi’s coming into power? Yes, yes it will, but the reasons to allow him otherwise are merely emotional and subjectively based. At the end, it’s better for everyone we bar all children to vote, despite it being bad for Timmy.
Acknowledging that is not a problem, employers should choose employees based on how well suited they are for the job, and shouldn’t lower their standards for the sake of equal opportunity; they problem is when they bar women from positions as a rule, as if it is impossible for any woman to meet those standards –there are a few very physically strong women after all.
That’s a general result of experiments which show the average woman is significantly weaker than men. I would be more concerned about not allowing women into professions where that’s irrelevant than something which recognizes physical fact.
I feel that you’re focusing too much on precise language than general ideas
Women are discriminated against much less nowadays, but I still see it horribly often. It’s become part of our language even, to compare weak things to girls.
Things are getting better quicker, but you can’t say that things are already fixed.
There’s no market force that accounts for the sexism in hollywood. It’s not like more men go to see movies than women, or that films with female leads have less potential to make money. The fact is that women on screen are expected to conform to a very specific set of tropes in many cases. For example, a significant number of films don’t pass the Bechadel test, which is a pretty low bar. This is understandable in films with men as the target demographic or films with few cast members but less so in most other cases. Hollywood routinely writes “strong female characters” that aren’t actually strong characters. Films are by and large marketed towards men, despite the fact half the target demographic consists of women. This is a pretty well known fact.
Also, I could give multiple examples of widespread sexism in the military, but it’d be much easier to ask you to try to explain what exactly you mean by “preferential treatment in every facet of military life”, or how how you seem to think that sexism doesn’t exist in the military.
If you’re going to try and make an argument for eliminating double standards that target men, I’m all for that. But you’re choosing the wrong targets. Rather that trying to pretend that sexism is fixed and everyone who says it isn’t is just an overreacting SWJ feminist, you should pick actual examples of gender inequalities that men face.
For example, men face over 60 percent higher prison sentences than women for the exact same offences. That an actual, real example of preferential treatment and gender inequality.
TL;DR, widespread gender inequalities still exist against both genders, sexism is still a problem, so is preferential treatment, both are problems. And saying that either of them has been eliminated is fucking horseshit.
>hollywood
You will need to elaborate, because its not Hollywood’s fault if market forces shape the industry.
>the military
Yeah, I agree, why do women get their standards lowered to be allowed in the military and then tried to be put in frontlines, or in general recieve preferential treatment in every facet of military life. Wait, you weren’t talking about that, where you?
And yes, that’s my point, you cannot begin to have a conservation with another side if the other side is a lying piece of shit, which is what the wage gap is: it’s a fucking, bloody lie.
but it actually makes sense compared to 99% of tumblr bullshit which is in a totally different ballpark. seriously, if that shit can exist, there’s nothing wrong with this.
What are you defining as systematic? Even if there’s no concerted, organized effort to discriminate against women, there are still areas of society that engage in sexist practices out of rote principle or ‘traditional’ attitudes, at least in the US, like Hollywood and the military, to name two completely random examples. It’s changing pretty quickly, but it’s far from being a non-issue.
Also, the Wage gap is primarily explained by women taking different jobs than men. Mathematicians, who are mostly male, typically get paid more than, say, Social Workers, despite them both having great importance to society. The whole 70-cents-to-the-dollar statistic is only if you take every job held by man in the US and compare it to every job held by a woman in the US and average the wages, which is a pretty stupid way to compare wages. So that’s not really as much of an issue as the tumblr warriors make it out to be.
>systemic discrimination
See, the issue with taking that position is that it doesn’t hold to analysis. One of the easiest examples, wage gap, has been constantly shown to be little more than most women working less time than men, even when they are single. Where, if anywhere, is this systemic racism which isn’t explained by things outside of sex or actions by the women themselves? Recall the Gnome women outreach program?
Then again:
(that artfldgr poster is one of those ‘hoitytoity’ fashion mag photohgraphers.)
@Background Pony #5424 welcome to environmentalism, from the 90s to today!
(actually the funny part is environmentalism’s street cred is on the rebound because of how many of the worst abandoned it for the ‘umbrella flagship’ cause of ‘social justice’)
It sucks, because I think systemic gender discrimination absolutely does still exist, but good luck making a serious complaint about it thanks to Tumblr complaining about everything, sexist or not - which in turn causes actual, legitimate critiques of gender discrimination to be lost in the all the garbage.
There are also plenty of people and even institutions who still treat women like shit for no reason. And gay people. And anyone who isn’t white.
Inequality still exists and still needs fixing, that doesn’t make the people who exploit equality any less awful.
…Now that I have reevaluated this message and its sponsor,your right this message is stupid.